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AIPAC is not exclusively funded by Israel though. I could be wrong, but I think it is actually primarily funded by pro-Israeli Americans.
Genuinely what on earth are you talking about? This is rubbish.
Made him look like an absolute mug, fair play.If you don't know about something it's often best to shut the feck up. You won't though, because you're a zealot with an agenda. Turns out the people of Ireland, north and south, give far more of a shit about far more people's struggles than your warped beliefs could possibly expect:
A month old but genuinely crazy how influential and how much money the pro-Israeli lobby is throwing into the US political class:
Revealed: Congress backers of Gaza war received most from pro-Israel donors
Guardian analysis finds top recipients of pro-Israel contributions in last elections were centrist Democrats who defeated progressives in primaries
Congress members who were more supportive of Israel at the start of the Gaza war received over $100,000 more on average from pro-Israel donors during their last election than those who most supported Palestine, a Guardian analysis of campaign data shows.
Those who took more money most often called for US military support and backed Israel’s response, even as Gaza’s civilian death toll mounted, the findings show. The analysis, which looks at positions taken during the war’s first six weeks, does not prove any particular member changed their position because they received pro-Israel campaign donations. However, some campaign finance experts who viewed the data argue that donor spending helped fuel Congress’s overwhelming support for Israel.
Revealed: Congress backers of Gaza war received most from pro-Israel donors | US Congress | The Guardian
Revealed: Congress backers of Gaza war received most from pro-Israel donors
Guardian analysis finds top recipients of pro-Israel contributions in last elections were centrist Democrats who defeated progressives in primaries
Congress members who were more supportive of Israel at the start of the Gaza war received over $100,000 more on average from pro-Israel donors during their last election than those who most supported Palestine, a Guardian analysis of campaign data shows.
Those who took more money most often called for US military support and backed Israel’s response, even as Gaza’s civilian death toll mounted, the findings show. The analysis, which looks at positions taken during the war’s first six weeks, does not prove any particular member changed their position because they received pro-Israel campaign donations. However, some campaign finance experts who viewed the data argue that donor spending helped fuel Congress’s overwhelming support for Israel.
Revealed: Congress backers of Gaza war received most from pro-Israel donors | US Congress | The Guardian
Not surprising really. Money really does control the world.
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I think a lot of Americans are waking up to the grip the Israeli's have over American politics. There's too much evidence for it to still be an anti Semitic conspiracy theory.
Honestly, id be so tempted to punch him.
I am completely for acts of showing solidarity and compassion to every innocent victim, regardless where they come from. That is a human thing to do.
I am sure there are many campuses where solidarity with Palestinians is expressed. I am happy for that. I also somehow doubt that you will find a follow up with the solidarity for Israel at the same place.
What I am not happy about is that this solidarity often metastasizes into verbal attacks, riots and violent rage against Jewish students, whom only guilt is...being Jewish. There is ton of accounts of that, etc. here, here, here (aiming vitriol at deaf students, wow). But why should the current generation of young Jews be any different to their parents...
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Nice gesture but kind of an empty one, meaning the second tweet of course not the psychopathic leaflet.
They would be better off donating to UNRWA or finding a way to stop their countrymen from blocking the aid.
They would be better off donating to UNRWA or finding a way to stop their countrymen from blocking the aid.
In what way is it an empty gesture?
I read about their intent to do that a few days ago and I wasn't sure how they expected to get the aid into Gaza. It seemed clear to me that they would be stopped.
So? Have you been on a march in your city? If so, what did you expect it to actually do? What has it actually done?
Seems churlish to downplay what they're trying to do, considering what they're doing is significantly more practical in terms of actually trying to shift the dial, in essentially one of the only 2 countries that actually have influence, than I imagine basically anyone on here, and are doing it within an atmosphere far more hostile than those in which most of us are operating in.
I was a bit harsh though. Highlighting the contrast in the treatment toward them and the people blocking the aid is also a welcome move.
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What a silly comment.
More of this "getting her to admit" bullshit. The UN Representative is completely candid and the answers to the journalist's questions aren't hidden at all. It's all right there, in her report:
The twitter handle @zei_squirrel is also bullshitting when it comes to verification. The entire mandate of the UN team was to verify information according to an internationally agreed scale, or state where it could not (as above!). That the mission was not a fully fledged investigation does not mean it was incapable of fulfilling its appointed task.Here's the entire press conference sans the report summary:
He also gets by far the most informative responses regarding Patten's concerns about the weaponisation of the report.
As an aside The twitter source you and @idoxmer are posting seems pretty antisemitic to me. Check out this bullshit:
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No ceasefire before Ramadan.
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seems about the going rate for the value of an israeli
alestinian life
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I really do not know how to answer, it all depends on if you agree with this video or not.
For those of you who like mathematics, here is an excellent piece about why numbers from Gaza Ministry of Health doesn't add up. It is a longer read. Sorry.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers
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Wow.
Totally non-biased source.
Biased, non-biased... mathematics doesn't care. Mathematics doesn't attack the messenger. Mathematics is all about the message.
So how many has died? 25k instead of 30k? You do know there are thousands under the rubble so even this 30k is an underestimate.
But back to reporting on casualties, the numbers in the past 17 years has been shown to be accurate. So...
What a shit source.
This is clearly a very pro-Israel source. Nonetheless, I don’t think anybody would claim that reporting daily death figures during an ongoing genocide would be remotely simple. Quibbling over the exact numbers seems somewhat arbitrary given what we can all see is happening in Gaza. About 70% of buildings have been destroyed or damaged. The loss of civilian life is obviously huge.
The “Hamas run Health Ministry” has also previously published lists of names, ages and ID numbers of casualties. The article should maybe mention that. Those same ID numbers are controlled by Israel and after publication, it would have surely been easy to disprove if they had been in fact, made up.
Plus as mentioned before, those figures are the bodies that have been found. It's unfortunate but the majority of people 'missing' are more than likely dead.
I really liked the mathematical part where they spelt out that a 'substantial' fraction of UNRWA staff in Gaza are affiliated to Hamas, in the process linking to an article saying that 190 UNRWA workers were Hamas or Islamic Jihad operatives (while also being at pains to point out that literally no evidence was provided for this)...out of 13,000 UNRWA staff in Gaza.
Do you wanna do the maths on what 190/13,000 is as a fraction, even if you assume that its not totally made up?
The daily totals he has an issue with (from his own figures, which I don't have the time or energy to factcheck myself) range from 196 to 341, between 27th October and 10th November. These will be, by definition, amongst the hottest times of the war and there was not much variation in the severity of attacks during this period. Regardless, he claims that the average is 270 +/- 15%. Could someone explain to me how 196 (the lowest figure he himself provides) is within 15% of the average of 270?
I've also multipled the average (270) by 16 (the number of days he provides in his own table at the bottom) and it comes out to 4320. Which aren't any of the numbers he provides as total casualties in his own table and certainly not anywhere near the 'Hamas reported' casualty figures.
I was going to ask you the same question I ask everyone who says these casualty figures are made up. Which is OK then, how many do you think have actually died? I assume, like those others, you won't answer either. But then I saw that the author of the article himself posits his own conclusions. The 'best' case scenario for him is that 24,000 have died, of them 12,000 combatants. The 'worst' is almost 29,000, of whom 12,000 are combatants.
Its also interesting that he uses the fact that this war is different in scope or scale to other previous wars as a reason why the casualties would be less than previous ones? or that international observers are absent from this war (and fails to mention the obvious reason why).
Perhaps I'm an idiot but could you make the maths make sense to me?
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For what it's worth a Swiss war journalist who came back from Israel came to a similar conclusion in a recent radio interview. He also thought that the ratio of combatant loss to civilian loss is likely no where close to being correct.
What were his sources?