Which doesn't matter in the context of Israeli statehood which is what is being discussed with regard to apartheid. No one is saying all Israelis are racist or support apartheid, the point is that the Israeli state is racist and conducts apartheid policies.
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You’re talking about one notable Amin al Husseini or was the post sarcastic
You are totally right, I have no idea why this much hate exists between them, but from another point of view the palestinians in some cases didnt help themselves, no matter which country that accepted them as refugees they tried to cause a stir, particularly in Jordan and Lebanon (arguably the main reason behind the lebanese civil war) but thats another topic...
I think you’ll find that it’s being implied that Israelis are racist( by some not all)
Not sure how long ago that incident was, but very recently UAE opened their doors to Israeli citizens. There's definitely a shift happening, I think some north African countries have recently officially recognised Israel too.
Also doesn't surprise me about the Saudi's they really couldn't care less about the Palestinians.
Due to mutual hate for the jewish people, not because they idolized Hitler, if the nazis were to win, the arabs would have been next in their ethnic cleansing...
Yeah, that's one of Trump's projects.
If anyone is interested: Israel–United Arab Emirates normalization agreement - Wikipedia
From what the lad told me, it was over the financial backing they gave the PLO and what the Saudis believe just lines the pockets of high ranking officials within the organisation.
Obviously I have no way of verifying it but if this is a widespread belief among people in SA and the UAE, you can get why there is hate
In all honesty the PLO are one of the most corrupt people yes, the money they received should have been enough to maximize the enhancements that are possible with the due occupation of their territories but yes, like most arab top-tier officials, corruption is in their blood.
I suppose if you’re dealing with very wealthy men like Abramovjcit pays not to discriminate against fellow citizens.
Money talks
Free Palestine. End Aparthied. Say no to settler colonialism. Seeing actual stories from Gaza... tragic. May Palestine be liberated in our lifetimes
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so this is your interpretation? As I said, I denounce what happened to the jewish people as I mentioned a lot of times in my other posts which you failed to copy because you are a wanker of the highest order. and Israel YES always has been playing the victim's role, Israel the state, not the jewish people, big difference according to you, so next time you want to feel wound up, I suggest you do some history research and admit the fact that Israel is a terrorist state of the highest order. I can mention tons of massacres committed by the israeli state against other countries but I am not sure your brain will be able to handle it.Britain erupted it yes, who else promised the jewish people a return to Jerusalem other than Britain? If you are uneducated and have 0 insights in history, then dont come to this thread.
I said time to wake up, not that the jewish people arent a victim, but the way the Israeli state shows itself in front of the world as being attacked by plastic-made rockets when it drops tons of bombs on civilians, I think you should really shut the feck up because honestly I am fed up of you trying to change my words into something anti-semitic just because you have no arguments to put on the table, if anything you are uneducated and unaware of your surroundings.
I think it pretty much says it all that the second bullet point is even included in that definition.
Its also explanatory of how expansive the definition is for some. This is the case for most terms where groups are seeking reclaim and redefine language to wield power over critics.
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It's basically a con job. You can't criticize us for doing certain things (so we'll do them).
It's been a few pages, but I just wanted to add that I agree with this, in case that wasn't clear from my own posts.
I post in between work so would have to look for the links.
My main focus was on the root word, which has multiple meanings including washing the face if I recall.
Daraaba has multiple meanings too. Allied with Hadith and explanations of Hadith (and actions of the Prophet and the Sahabah the meaning was never "beat" as the likes of taqi usmani translated it.)
Probably needs a sperate discussion thread so as not to derail to be honest. It's an intensive and comprehensive subject.
Pretty surreal
This is a great insight and people on both sides, of most arguments, should take into consideration
What’s the pic? It’s not coming across for me.Pretty surreal
I think it's the contrast between the rockets fired from the palestinian side and the israeli defense system (dome some sort) intercepting them
Hamas firing rockets on the right, Israel's Iron Dome defence intercepting them on the left.
Its an AFP pic of rockets being launched from Gaza and (presumably) the Iron Dome waiting to take them down.
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Obviously it doesn't paint the full picture but this video shows how some believe that palestinians are foreigners and not locals.
Disturbing.
Its similar to terms like racism that have morphed into something different over the years. A lot of people still think its only about individual to individual racial slurs and reject its application in a systemic or institutional context. Same concept applies to anti-semitism, where the linguistic battle over its meaning often overshadows the nature of actual events on the ground.
What worth does the IHRA definition have when the international community stands by and watches ethnic cleansing in Israel and China.
Antisemitism is used as a shield to defend exposure of Israel’s practices. The difference between Nazi Germany and Israel is that the latter doesn’t have the freedom to just willy nilly go all out with an extermination regime - it has to do it bit by bit in order to keep the powers on side without generating too much ‘real’ conflict from the Muslim world. Other than that it is using very similar tactics that were used in the 1930’s era and similar to Apartheid.
It hasn’t crossed into Nazi Germany 1940s version but it isn’t for the want of trying. If they could, they would.
I understand the challenge with referring to specific Nazi ideology, but would referring to Israeli policy as ‘fascist’ be anti-Semitic?
Are you criticizing Israeli policy? Then the answer is yes.
I don't think that it's fair. Based on the last point, it seems that they acknowledge the idea that the state of Israel could have actions that are reprehensible. The point about the Nazis is I believe in the context of a crass comparison that is solely meant as an hurtful claim more than a realistic one.
Ah didn't realise the connotations, my apologies. I just used it because in this instance, the author of the letter displayed almost no humanity, will edit now.
It wouldn't be accurate given that fascism actually has a series of core characteristics associated with it.
Ever expansive, as you kinda said. The left will = communists / the right = nazis. Whatever worst category I can put your belief under to disqualify it without actually having to discuss it
How so if someone feels that some Israeli policy is truly fascist?
Fascism predates the Nazis by a significant number of years.
I've seen people told off from making comparisons with kashmir and xinjiang on twitter, because kashmir is not a homeland in a comparable sense, and equating the homeland with this non-homeland is a subtle anti-semitism. This was many months ago, so I can't remember which tweet though.
And some could interpret Israeli policy as associative of some of those tenets. Just using Eco’s tenets, there’s a few that could be applied to Israeli policy.
One person was. Fact. A person who had no authority to govern them. Also fact.
The more I read/discuss the Palestine and Israel situation the more I find myself shaking my head. Not because of the new incidents that are being posted, like the one above interviewing Jewish residents, but the misinformation and narrative.
You only have to look at something like Wikipedia to see the sequence of events that have happened in Palestine since the late 1800s to refute some of the narrative. And here I will be using names to.mean the people in power/ govts.
I have no love for Saudi but the whole "Saudis hate Israel/Jews" narrative is something that I can't get my head around because Faisal himself signed an agreement. Ben gurion was clear that he would accept anything to begin with but once there and a "force" Israel would take over as much as they could.
I hate Hamas, always have done and not because of Israel etc but purely from a Muslim perspective and what their leaders stand for. But they began fighting in about 1989. So what with the Israel is defending itself because of Hamas rockets. What about the time between 1948 and 1989?
Even Britain didn't escape attacks from Israelis, the hotel whose name I can't remember was an attack in a British Embassy iirc.
The cover ups of Israeli operations trying to blame others is there if people choose to look.
Was it Benny Morris, a Jewish historian, who said the firtlst attack in Palestine was a Jewish person who killed an Arab in the 1890's?
You only have to look at something like Wikipedia to see the sequence of events that have happened in Palestine since the late 1800s to refute some of the narrative. And here I will be using names to.mean the people in power/ govts.
I have no love for Saudi but the whole "Saudis hate Israel/Jews" narrative is something that I can't get my head around because Faisal himself signed an agreement. Ben gurion was clear that he would accept anything to begin with but once there and a "force" Israel would take over as much as they could.
I hate Hamas, always have done and not because of Israel etc but purely from a Muslim perspective and what their leaders stand for. But they began fighting in about 1989. So what with the Israel is defending itself because of Hamas rockets. What about the time between 1948 and 1989?
Even Britain didn't escape attacks from Israelis, the hotel whose name I can't remember was an attack in a British Embassy iirc.
The cover ups of Israeli operations trying to blame others is there if people choose to look.
Was it Benny Morris, a Jewish historian, who said the firtlst attack in Palestine was a Jewish person who killed an Arab in the 1890's?