Can't believe in 2020 there are people on here interested in James Rodriguez. Some will never learn.
Jack Grealish / signs new 5 year contract
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Just like De Bruyne isn't a guaranteed starter at City (since we like to bring them up when talking about depth)
If De Bruyne was in poor form or knackered, you'd expect someone of top quality to replace him. We haven't got that luxury at the moment, but it's something we certainly need to be aspiring to (God I sound like Moyes).
I bet Hazard has been quite high up this stat before.
Strange that the two sites have such different numbers.
Whoscored:
RW: 14 games - 5 goals and 7 assists
LW: 10 games - 6 goals and 6 assists
AM: 8 games - 7 goals and 2 assists
Sub: 8 games - 1 goal and 3 assists
transfermarkt:
RW: 21 games - 8 goals and 11 assists
LW: 11 games - 8 goals and 7 assists
AM: 12 games - 4 goals and 2 assists
Wonder if he's swapped position during some of the games and the one site has him down in one position and the other site has him in the other? If any Dortmund fans are here (or anybody has watched him a fair bit), how has he done when played at #10? Good enough that it's actually a viable position going forward or is it obvious that it's a fair step down from when he plays on the wings?
Don't worry - he's just one of these players we have the inevitable, totally unfounded links with year in year out.
To secure a longer term future at the top, yea. His Real contract will expire soon, he could start a new contract here but with longer term security. I doubt Real are planning to offer him a new one!
Because we want him and Real don’t, if that were the case. We’d give him a longer term contract than Real would.
And if he has any sort of hunger left, then I don’t think he’d necessarily be a substitute here anyway.
Are you saying that based on watching him, or just because that’s just what you think people say about him? He’s a luxury player because most teams don’t play #10s. For some weird reason, we do.
So we'd really want a player on high wages, with a transfer fee?
While Real would rather let him go on a free than give him a new contract?
Pogba. If Bruno is rested I don't think moving Pogba forward and bringing in Fred or Mctomminay is a bad shout.
I'd rather sign a world class DM, CB and maybe even a new Fullback too.
However I certainly won't moan if we get Grealish. He is a lot better than our fringe players.
Jadon Sancho is not some kind of winger like Willian though. He's more a player who knows how to make the right decision with good vision, which is why the manager gave him that 12 appearances as a 10.
It’s the kind of dumb transfer we would have made in LVG’s day. The guy barely even plays these days. We’d be bonkers to put the required money into a transfer like that.
Yup. No Villa fan could say he cut and run when they were in trouble.
Although them staying up has probably increased his price by quite a bit.
Obviously he 'can' play there, but from watching him play on the wings I wouldn't have thought he'd be better there than what Grealish would be (which you said in one of your other posts). I will admit I haven't actually watched any of the games he's played centrally though so maybe I'm wrong.
He’s a football player, he has a value. Would Grealish not coat money and presumably be paid a salary? This is an alternative option I am suggesting, for probably half of the transfer fee, maybe less than half.
Real don’t play with a 10, we do. We’d find him more useful than them. And if we are after another option at 10, for £25m or so, we won’t find much better than James in my opinion.
End of the day it's not for long term but as an option. So the Grealish argument is debatable if you only want to use transfermarkt stats. On the other hand player with variety in their games, good decision making & good vision with passing as one of your strength is good enough to play anywhere across 3 different roles of attacking mid.
Why would you put the astronomical figures required to sign Rodriguez when he can only cover one position, a position taken by a player that has missed like 4 games in his career through injury?
For around £40m I'd be up for it, as a squad player who'll get 30-40 games over the season. He's not going to be a starter automatically though, we have Rashford, Bruno and Pogba who play in his position. He'd need to outplay one of those and take their positions.
I don't think Villa will sell for £40m though. Captain, boyhood club and they've stayed up? They'll be looking for £50m+
I don't think Villa will sell for £40m though. Captain, boyhood club and they've stayed up? They'll be looking for £50m+
Of course. I didn’t say he would be.
So why are we here, in this very thread? To discuss prospective left-backs?
I would have had him on the Left wing today, Rashford was garbage
Imagine a window of Sancho and Grealish.
go with a rotated side to a place like St. James Park
-----------Greenwood
Grealish-Bruno-Sancho
-----McTominay--- Fred
and feel confident we'll get the 3
go with a rotated side to a place like St. James Park
-----------Greenwood
Grealish-Bruno-Sancho
-----McTominay--- Fred
and feel confident we'll get the 3
plus the massive extra fund they get by starting up would make for a very decent transfer kitty. They will need to dramatically change the way this team plays if it wants to stay up again this season.
Plus if United do come in with an acceptable offer, doubt they will be able to ask him to stay, in good faith. Its a genuine career opportunity for him, and he has done so much for them already.
I think it just depends on if Ole thinks there is a requirement for him.
Or Sancho
Swap with Lingard + 45 million. Who says no?
This is a guy that signed for Real, did well at first but got benched after his first season, got unhappy and asked to leave. Went to Bayern, did OK at first but got benched mostly in his second season, got unhappy and asked to leave. Went back to Real at got added to the scrap heap. He's on massive wages and is a South American who would have to settle in Manchester. It’s got disaster written all over it. The kind of transfer Woody would have been all over in his early days.
Chong would have even been betterOr Sancho
He’d be a complete idiot to stay put now. He’s got them promoted and scored the goal that kept them in the Prem. If he’s serious about being a better player and winning something in his career he’ll leave this season.
Regardless of what I think of him as a person I hope he moves somewhere bigger to see his real level.
Remember that Ighalo will leave, so we should be back to 3 strikers, one of whom is Greenwood who is obviously exciting but a kid, and another is Rashford who has never really shown enough as a 9. There will be attacking midfield spots for sure.
Adding both Sancho and Grealish would basically sort out our main issues.
Wouldn't solve the dmf problem, but we've made McSauce a literal poster child and kept Matic on til hes about 75 so I feel like the club doesnt view it as an issue.
Adding both Sancho and Grealish would basically sort out our main issues.
Wouldn't solve the dmf problem, but we've made McSauce a literal poster child and kept Matic on til hes about 75 so I feel like the club doesnt view it as an issue.
I thought he already said he was leaving?
I’m aware at who the guy is, I brought him up. He is a footballer with a value. You can word your assessment any way to support a view. I could summarise Jack Grealish as ‘this is a guy who has spent most of his career in the Championship and only at Villa’, vs ‘a guy who has played for Real and Bayern and starred in a World Cup’. Players falling out of favour at Real happen all the time. In his case, they literally do not use his position. We do.
As for him being a South American, so what? I don’t know him as an individual, and any signing we make, Colombian or Midlands, I’d expect us to be satisfied of his motivation. Real Madrid has a way of doing that to players anyway. They are painted as some sort of mercenaries or something. There is life after Madrid. If a player isn’t being used, why could he not be keen to move on and rebuild his career? United are a top club, PL is an attractive league. It is a proposal anyway, but seeing as we are discussing number 10s, I proposed one who will likely cost less as an option. His stock is low because he’s not currently a star player at Madrid, but he has quality. If he was keen to come here and give his best, he’s not a rubbish #10. Just watch the player and don’t be so concerned with the ‘storyline’ of football.
Absolutely. Rice the badge kisser more so.
Didn't he actually say he was focused on their last game, after Arsenal?
No actual certainty either way.
We’re not talking about signing a number 10 though. Bruno is one of the most reliable players injury wise in football. You’d sign Grealish because he’s so versatile, he’s desperate to play for United and because they’ll be no settling in period. It matters that he’s South American because it’s very much hit and miss on how those players settle, sometime disastrous. It often takes a year for players from such countries to adjust anyway, see Fred. Rodriguez has shown himself to be a player to get restless pretty quickly at Real and Bayern. I highly doubt we’ll be looking at Rodrigue. He’ll probably end up at a Newcastle or Everton.
Hardly likely that Bruno will be playing 10 matches in 4 weeks next season. Grealish is not moving to a new club to sit on the bench, and it's ridiculous to suggest he will.
Not in the slightest to be honest. At the time then yes I was bitter but I find myself happy at their progression. They'd both already be our superstars and to be honest I reckon neither are ever going to have the International career that they thought they would have with England (I just think there's better players coming through for them), but I hope they do. At the end of the day whether by 'feeling' or for footballing reasons they chose their course but Ireland have benefited greatly from players coming to us from England. Funnily enough I still view Rice and Grealish as our own and would love to see them reach the level where they could come to United and be legends. In fact I wouldn't be against us signing the two of them if we can because they have both progressed excellently this year.
Off topic but if I'm right I believe that all of our very good U21 side are only eligible for Ireland and that excites me because i think it might be our best group in a long time, playing under a good coach. I remember watching them play an Italy side with Tonali and Kean off the pitch with good football.
He's one of the top 10 key passers in Europe if you're measuring it per 90 minutes. Nobody above him is available or would be any cheaper.
But it's clear from the positions he drifts into that he's a natural central player and not a winger. His crossing is a bit shit compared to the likes of De Bruyne. If you focus on his key passes through the middle, it actually places him even higher on the list.
And given how poor United have been at beating the press, it would be invaluable to have a player with dribbling ability and a tight touch. His ability to win fouls could be crucial in difficult games. It's definitely a weakness for the team right now. Grealish is the most fouled player in Europe.
There are definitely things he's better at than Pogba or Bruno. And the gap in quality isn't that big to start of with.
He'd get plenty of games, and wouldn't be considered a bench player by default. The three of them would be rotated and/or selected according to the opponent's tactics.
But it's clear from the positions he drifts into that he's a natural central player and not a winger. His crossing is a bit shit compared to the likes of De Bruyne. If you focus on his key passes through the middle, it actually places him even higher on the list.
And given how poor United have been at beating the press, it would be invaluable to have a player with dribbling ability and a tight touch. His ability to win fouls could be crucial in difficult games. It's definitely a weakness for the team right now. Grealish is the most fouled player in Europe.
There are definitely things he's better at than Pogba or Bruno. And the gap in quality isn't that big to start of with.
He'd get plenty of games, and wouldn't be considered a bench player by default. The three of them would be rotated and/or selected according to the opponent's tactics.
Can't see Grealish leaving Villa now they've avoided relegation. They have no need to sell and he has a long term contact. Only way to get him would be to do a Barcelona and offer an insane amount for him.
You think keeping Villa up is the height of his ambitions? You think he wants to be in a relegation scrap every season? He'll leave Villa with their blessing if the right bid is made
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