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Jacob Ramsey
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He's actually very similar to a young Aaron Ramsey.
For a young man, he took his goals exceptionally well and looks a real leader on the pitch. We have to be at least in for him in the summer.
Go and give him a knock, talk him into the prospect of playing with Maguire.
He’s a baller.
I think he's the bigger "talent" so to speak, but he still has a ways to go before he reaches Ramsey's level of application. Granted, he has 2 years to get there! He plays very similar to Pogba in that he has exquisite technique and vision, but needs to operate further up the field. He isn't a legit box to box like Ramsey is.
He's at a similar stage in development to where Ramsey was last season. Couple of cameos and starts here and there where he holds his own, nothing special yet. A good preseason, and hitting the weights now that he knows what the physicality of men's football is like, and I reckon we'll see him blossom just like Ramsey has this season. Excellent work in bringing through the young players by our coaching staff (past and present, Dean Smith deserves a lot of credit too).
Huh?
Hard to see any transfer from villa with Gerard there. This could would be good though.
Been keeping an eye on him since we played Villa in September. He's got the lot. It won't be long until he's talked about in the same breath as Bellingham I don't think.
I said in another thread a while ago, he's got Liverpool written all over him. Klopp loves an all action midfielder.
The poster who I quoted said Ramseys right up his street
Ah okay. I mean do you think he wouldn’t fancy coming to United?
I really like that’s he from fighting stock. We need some guts and guile to go with all the money being fired around. This guy would be Fergie’s Ince or Keane. Pity we can’t just rock up and sign these lads anymore. Asking price would be silly surely.
I mean, he is three years older than Bellingham, so he’d have to improve at a rate way beyond Bellingham for that to be the case. He’s clearly very good, and not a player to be sniffed at, but he’s significantly older than the competition you name.
For comparison sake, at the same age as Bellingham was a regular for Dortmund, Ramsey was making 1 Championship appearance for Villa and getting loaned out to Doncaster.
Money talks nowadays but it depends on if he's buying into Gerrard and what he's trying to achieve, I can see Ramsey staying at Villa 2 more seasons after this one. I can also see him seeing if Gerrard ends up at Liveprool, could see him move there before then too and he'd be a good Gundogan replacement for City.
So you think the only thing that would attract him to play at United is money?
2 years older.
Football isn't linear like that though. Bellingham may never become top level whereas Ramsey might. They're both young in general terms. I think Bellingham has just had a lot of exposure since a young age which has boosted his profile, whereas Ramsey has snuck under the radar. A lot of great players weren't the ones touted for big things in their early years and vice versa. Not saying Bellingham will drop off, but he wouldn't be the first to look good at this age then not quite hit the heights come the prime years of his career.
A bit like Bruno Vs Pogba.
2 years older, hardly a massive difference in 18 and 20.
Oh absolutely it’s not impossible, it’s just highly improbably. I do like the look of Ramsey a lot too, but I don’t see him getting much further than the level Bellingham is at now (if he makes it that far even, which isn’t a knock, it’s a very high level). Whereas Bellingham is entering prime years for massive leaps.
I mean, it’s 3 years. By seasons end Ramsey is 21 and Bellingham is still 18.
Also 18 to 20 is a massive gap in football terms, it’s some of the key years in development not just in football but in general life. It’s not 28 to 30 where it makes little to no difference.
By a month, why does the Caf always do this with number and figures?
It’s how maths works. 21 is 3 bigger than 18. This is like Jackson Martinez all over again.
By a month, not a year.
He was born three years later. It’s a literal, unarguable fact
Yeah there’s not point going on with this.
How does one being born in 2003 and one in 2001 make three years ‘a literal unarguable fact’?
Two years and one month equals three years. Literal, unarguable fact.
If City and Liverpool were interested, yeah. Unless we sold him the dream that we'd build a team capable of challenging, like we did with Pogba.
He’ll be happy to play anywhere so long as there are good neighbours.
With a little understanding.
Didn't think it'd take long for everyone else to cotton on to his talent, @FootballHQ @Winzaghi . It was bound to happen sooner rather than later.
He’s similar to Pogba I agree in that the margins are fine, but if things fall into place - then he’ll be better than Ramsey I think. Similarly the way Pogba had such an extreme skillset, when he joined us at 23 the potential maximum ceiling could have been in the argument for the best midfielder of all time. With the rare combination of physical strength, outrageous dribbling, shooting, two footedness, passing and goalscoring - he could have been anything, but it required a lot of perfect conditions.
I feel that with what Ramsey has, he is more likely to become a good player. If you can run around a bit that alone carries you a fair way in the PL. we have a pair of midfielders who have that as their greatest strength. He can compete physically in terms of intensity and can force his way into more games. With Carney, it could go horribly wrong, he’d need the right coach at the right time, right teammates but if he has the right conditions I am certain he will surpass Ramsey. But Ramsey will succeed in more settings.
He really caught my eye in the cup match without me knowing who he was. I was surprised when I found out who he was that I’d never heard of him. Since then he’s looked very impressive.
Glad someone got the reference
Agreed 100%. Ramsey will be a good PL midfielder for years to come simply because he seems to have the physical traits. If you thought it was hard to stop him barreling through the midfield at 20, imagine him at 25. That engine and his baseline excellent technique should be enough to last him.
Carney is the more precocious talent, that with the right coaching and circumstances can go right to the very top, to quote 'Arry Redknap.
Better than Bellingham.
we should go after this guy this summer if we can get him for less than 50-60mil, as well as Carney on a free. Would bolster the midfield with 2 talented english players. Add in Nkunku for 30-40mil, a good DM not called rice for less than 50 mil. That would pretty much solve the midfield issue. Add in hannibal and garner as well.
Tom Cairney?
carney chukwuemeka