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Give Mason Mount a chance!
Oh god, please don't give him #7. it's so cursed that it's like instantly confining him to the depths of hell.
For me it comes down to this:Oddschecker says yes. United 6/4, Pool 5/2, Chelsea 5, Barcelona 10, Real Madrid 18 and Bayern 20. Which means it is still unlikely we will get him, even we are favourites currently. 6/4 means 40% probability. But bookers always offer terrible odds for transfer bets so i would not give us more than 20-30% chance.
The reasons that Man Utd can attract talent are wages and opening in the team. Players definitely don't care about the history of the club and also the beautiful weather of Manchester.It's not really a complicated concept to grasp, that if he's not tempted by the club's ambition and "project" then we're better off not having him. Rather that, than him being here solely because we paid him more than anyone else. Attracting disinterested players purely by money has not worked for us.
Considering he is only 19, do you think a year out of the Champions League will totally swing his decision? Surely if he believes in our project and believes he can be a key part in getting us not only back into the CL but competing for both the PL & CL he would still come?The only potential downside is if we don't make the CL and he isn't prepared to go a season without it.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Salah, Mane and Firmino are all at their peak right now. I doubt Klopp would change his front three proactively. Liverpool's priority is to replace Wijnaldum and Lallana this summer.If I was a Liverpool fan I'd swap Salah for Sancho happily, just hope their club doesn't feel the same.
These guys have been playing football since kids, made it to professional level, and Dembele earned himself a +£100M move to a historical club at age 20. Maybe things haven’t thus far worked out as predicted/expected, but describing him as “an example of a player with lack of dedication” just rubs me the wrong way. Especially when we’re so far distanced from the ongoings at his club.Dembele is an example of player with lack of dedication.
I never spoke about history or weather. Players can however take into account what kind of team the club is trying to build and what its ambitions are for the near future.The reasons that Man Utd can attract talent are wages and opening in the team. Players definitely don't care about the history of the club and also the beautiful weather of Manchester.
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However i think Sancho may stay one more season in BVB because of Haaland. The chemistry is there and he may want to see if BVB can challenge CL and league title next season.
Whilst i agree that to become a professional football, especially to the level dembele has reached, you need dedication. But with the money in the game these days it feels like the bar has been lowered in terms of 'making it' ,or maybe the bar has been moved to a whole other measure of success (money).These guys have been playing football since kids, made it to professional level, and Dembele earned himself a +£100M move to a historical club at age 20. Maybe things haven’t thus far worked out as predicted/expected, but describing him as “an example of a player with lack of dedication” just rubs me the wrong way. Especially when we’re so far distanced from the ongoings at his club.
How do you know players don't care about the history of the club? Seems a silly statement to make. How you can blanket say such a thing is beyond me.The reasons that Man Utd can attract talent are wages and opening in the team. Players definitely don't care about the history of the club and also the beautiful weather of Manchester.
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However i think Sancho may stay one more season in BVB because of Haaland. The chemistry is there and he may want to see if BVB can challenge CL and league title next season.
he is on ~90K per week.A quick google search shows that Sancho is apparently on a £190,000 a week contract at Dortmund. I find that a little difficult to believe but perhaps our Dortmund posters can shed some light on that. If true then it would present a problem fitting him into our current structure.
If you try pulling your head out of your own arsehole people might be able to hear you that better.Let me try to grasp this: You honestly expect an already worldclass youngster, who just might be best winger there currently is not only to snub Elite Clubs from all over Europe to join your "Project" spearheaded by OGS, but also to do that on modest wages?
Really?
Circa €240m/£200m for the three, especially if we sell Pogba should be do-able, combined with Woodward doubling-down about significant investment (I know...).Can we pull out a Sancho/Grealish/Partey summer?
Upamecano or Tah would be attainable if we manage to sell some CB.Circa €240m/£200m for the three, especially if we sell Pogba should be do-able, combined with Woodward doubling-down about significant investment (I know...).
Would it be too much to ask for Upamecano too if we sold Smalling and Jones?
It's not just about the raw numbers though. We are trying to create a happy locker room. Right now we have two outliers on the wage bill. De Gea deserves it because of tenure and status. Pogba is a world cup winner and world class level player and could soon be gone anyway.The guys saying we should not give him 250k/week are the same guys who will be moaning that we did not throw money at him after he joins Liverpool/Chelsea/shitty.
If you try pulling your head out of your own arsehole people might be able to hear you that better.
Honestly I don't think they do, they care about the present and their future with the club.To suggest no players care about the history of a club is new level of idiocy.
Id say the majority aren’t bothered or prioritise it whilst in their prime. I reckon it becomes a bigger draw as the reach the end of their careers/past their prime.To suggest no players care about the history of a club is new level of idiocy.
It all plays a part. If Utd were in the 3rd division, of course history would be meaningless, no ones coming because we really used to be good decades ago. But our past does have an impact on attracting talent still, as long as we're also looking to be going places in the present too, thats key. Of course plenty aren't fussed, but I still think it can be helpful. To rule it out to having no influence seems strange.Honestly I don't think they do, they care about the present and their future with the club.
The only way it would have an influence would be if the alternative offers the same amount of money and the same chances of success, outside of that rare are the professional players that will consider the club history. And United have missed on enough players to show that it's the case.It all plays a part. If Utd were in the 3rd division, of course history would be meaningless, no ones coming because we really used to be good decades ago. But our past does have an impact on attracting talent still, as long as we're also looking to be going places in the present too, thats key. Of course plenty aren't fussed, but I still think it can be helpful. To rule it out to having no influence seems strange.
I have not much clue about what's going on. But, playing football as a kid is different to playing as a professional, that is something that I got a clue of.These guys have been playing football since kids, made it to professional level, and Dembele earned himself a +£100M move to a historical club at age 20. Maybe things haven’t thus far worked out as predicted/expected, but describing him as “an example of a player with lack of dedication” just rubs me the wrong way. Especially when we’re so far distanced from the ongoings at his club.
Grealish get the #7, Sancho gets the #11Oh god, please don't give him #7. it's so cursed that it's like instantly confining him to the depths of hell.
Also trying to stay positive, hope we get him but we need viable alternatives. Hopefully Ole is on it.I'm just trying to be a positive muppet to be honest, because I am desperate for Sancho.
Which is why at his age he'll likely join a club where's he's going to be the clear number one in his position. I think United's strength of hand will come from how hard we've tried to get him these past couple of seasons. I think its underestimated how much that can influence a player, David Silva said that he joined City because he felt they were the club that wanted him the most, for example.The fact he left City for Germany means he clearly cares about his own personal development as a player. Obviously the finances are important, but if we can convince him of the clubs project, his role in it, and offer him a clear pathway to being one of the highest paid players in Europe, then theres no reason we shoildnt be hopeful.
I also really want him and I’m sure all of us do. He’s so ideal for us in a position that’s been needing strengthening for a very long time now.I'm just trying to be a positive muppet to be honest, because I am desperate for Sancho.
That’s a very good point and of course plays a huge factor.Which is why at his age he'll likely join a club where's he's going to be the clear number one in his position. I think United's strength of hand will come from how hard we've tried to get him these past couple of seasons. I think its underestimated how much that can influence a player, David Silva said that he joined City because he felt they were the club that wanted him the most, for example.
Yeah, going by reports we tried to sign him since he was at City and then tried to sign him almost every summer. That should play some role, hopefully it will.Which is why at his age he'll likely join a club where's he's going to be the clear number one in his position. I think United's strength of hand will come from how hard we've tried to get him these past couple of seasons. I think its underestimated how much that can influence a player, David Silva said that he joined City because he felt they were the club that wanted him the most, for example.
The first two of them could happen but Utd seem to have no interest in Partey at all,there has been stories he is looking to stay at Atletico long term so could well be truth in that.Can we pull out a Sancho/Grealish/Partey summer?
Especially with AFCON now going back to the winter mid season, I think unfortunately Africans will be less desirable if there's another option.The first two of them could happen but Utd seem to have no interest in Partey at all,there has been stories he is looking to stay at Atletico long term so could well be truth in that.
I dream the impossible dream.....how great that would be.Can we pull out a Sancho/Grealish/Partey summer?
Really? wow. firstly I think if there's a player he could replace at Pool it'd be Firminho. secondly you'd think Salah is on a fast lane to legend status at Pool if he isn't there already and yet you'd be willing to let him go for some kid?More and more I'm warming to the idea of selling Salah and getting Sancho instead.
Salah is a fantastic player. But which club is going to sign him for the fee Liverpool expect?More and more I'm warming to the idea of selling Salah and getting Sancho instead.
Can we pull out a Sancho/Grealish/Partey summer?
Sancho/Grealish/Partey/Upamecano? That would make lot of sense and the best window we could expect.Circa €240m/£200m for the three, especially if we sell Pogba should be do-able, combined with Woodward doubling-down about significant investment (I know...).
Would it be too much to ask for Upamecano too if we sold Smalling and Jones?