Yeah the one thing I will say is that if we have to get him this summer,hate to say it but wait a year and there will be too many other options on the table for him to choose from. I know for many of us Utd is everything but some players will not be thinking in that same way.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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There's actually people who believe that
We have a lot of oppo fans in here hoping the deal doesn't happen. They are running scared. Let's hope it gets done!
We've seen that happen plenty of times enough to know it doesn't rule out anything but that won't stop panic it seems
Makes no sense to believe a club would refuse a suitable offer due to starting their preseason when there's 8 weeks left in the transfer window
We've ourselves sold players after they started training like Robson mentioned with Lukaku up there. Clubs aren't going to be inflexible for the sake of it when there's vast sums of money involved especially in this pandemic affected market.
Wouldn't take whatever Zorc says later at face value either, they'll accept in a heartbeat if/when a suitable offer arrives regardless as they've shown numerous times after issuing repeated denials and claiming the contrary
It's not a proper saga until we have reporters outside Carrington with members of the public trying to shove inflatable dildos in their ears, and posters trying to make out faces through tinted windows/ looking at blood bottles/ looking through pathetic attempts to cover players via a towel whilst we get perilously close to the transfer deadline. We're just getting started here.
I can see that. I can even see United loaning someone for a year and then going back in for Sancho when he has even less time on his deal. That's what Bayern did when they were waiting for Sane. With the emergence of Greenwood we have a little bit of breathing space. We need depth. However, we're in a different position from when we badly needed a big upgrade on James or Mata.
They. Are. Worried.
Covid works both ways and United are considerably better off than Dortmund.
Does anybody really think than Dortmund turn down the big money they want later in the window? They know they won't get it next season and they know the player is leaving. His value from this summer gradually decreases and there's every chance the market is still impacted by Covid-19 next summer with teams unable/unwilling to play top price.
They aren't in as strong of a position as made out. Especially when it's clear the player wants to leave.
Does anybody really think than Dortmund turn down the big money they want later in the window? They know they won't get it next season and they know the player is leaving. His value from this summer gradually decreases and there's every chance the market is still impacted by Covid-19 next summer with teams unable/unwilling to play top price.
They aren't in as strong of a position as made out. Especially when it's clear the player wants to leave.
The Stone tweet means the club is still very much in for him. If the personal terms is actually agreed, it would be odd to see the club pull out after all that effort put in for this deal.
What I don't get is why BVB seem so set on his price, when they let an equally big talent in Pulisic go to Chelsea for relative peanuts/ less than half price without any resistance.
I mean odds are that if time is indeed an important factor to them then they will have already made it clear to Sancho that their willingness to sell ends around today. I don't know Sancho personally so I can't predict how he feels or how he will behave.
They issued repeated public denials when it came to Pulisic as well.
The difference in fee has to come down to production/quality. Sancho benched him and put up better stats in each of his seasons than Pulisic's time with them combined and is slightly younger.
Yeah using the Lukaku example from him going to Australia last year just proves players can still move after taking part in pre season training camps.We've seen that happen plenty of times enough to know it doesn't rule out anything but that won't stop panic it seems
Makes no sense to believe a club would refuse a suitable offer due to starting their preseason when there's 8 weeks left in the transfer window
We've ourselves sold players after they started training like Robson mentioned with Lukaku up there. Clubs aren't going to be inflexible for the sake of it when there's vast sums of money involved especially in this pandemic affected market.
Wouldn't take whatever Zorc says later at face value either, they'll accept in a heartbeat if/when a suitable offer arrives regardless as they've shown numerous times after issuing repeated denials and claiming the contrary
The longer this drags, the more worried Dortmund will get. We're in the driving seat as far as I'm concerned.
Exactly. You wouldn't go to the effort to do all of that on a whim. Obviously price can be a sticking point and any transfer can collapse but that's usually because of a tight window or deadline. It seems Dortmund know Sancho has already agreed with us so they have tried to push an imaginary window to get the deal done on their terms in attempts to give them the power back. It would suit them much more if this was the last few days of the window as we'd be under pressure to cave in. As such they've invented their own deadline and I fully expect that's what Zorc will harp on about later.
Everyone knows though that that's just their side of the bargaining process and really the only hand they've got left to play.
The Pulisic fee was pretty big considering he had one year on his contract and had been out of form for a season.
Obviously we don't want/can't pay 120. Dortmund i guess had a word with Sancho and he is willing to sign a new contract. Which gives boost to Dormund's stand (120mil).
I don't think this will happen...unless we pay 120mil. Which we obviously don't want to do.
I know that we all hate when players do that but i would love to see once that player help us a bit. With transfer request or saying that he wants to go in Man Utd. When we sign a player they are all "i can go there but i don't mind staying too".
I don't think this will happen...unless we pay 120mil. Which we obviously don't want to do.
I know that we all hate when players do that but i would love to see once that player help us a bit. With transfer request or saying that he wants to go in Man Utd. When we sign a player they are all "i can go there but i don't mind staying too".
It benefits Dortmund massively to get this sale done ASAP.
Imagine you walked into a shop and the guy who worked there said: “this shirt is £100, you need to buy in the next 10 minutes because I close in an hour”.
What are you going to do? He’s already told you he wants the sale but you know he’s got an hour to sell it and the longer you wait the more power you have to get that price down.
After the news broke yesterday about this Dortmund press conference today, I fully expected to wake up this morning to news that the press had been briefed that we are not interested in Sancho.
The fact that this hasn’t happened has me feeling more positive about this again.
The club must be reasonably confident. They will know with almost 100% certainty (Informants everywhere) what is going to be said by Dortmund today. If Sancho is truly not for sale, United would have preempted that and got in first with a “no interest from us” briefing.
Pre-COVID. Everyone’s lost a hefty amount of cash in the last 4 months and no idea when that will return
Maguire is another example from just last summer too and he even started games for Leicester during their preseason before being sold
Absolute nonsense. The rumours about the new contact were flagged as rubbish in Germany yesterday.
He wants to go back to England and has agreed terms with United. I think that's pretty obvious to everyone at the moment.
New twist in the Sancho transfer saga: Dortmund accuses United of tapping up Sancho
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Pulisic isn't close to the talent Sancho is, and while they were at Dortmund Pulisic was pretty much a backup at that point. He's become a much better player at Chelsea, but he had stagnated at Dortmund. Not sure what the contract situation was like.
Sancho is a generational talent at the top of his form, and is world class already. Not many players in the world are as complete attackers as he is.
Problem is a year can change a lot.
Madrid- Hazard/Bale a year older both likely to keep flopping if they offload one they could be in for a winger
Chelsea- Pulisic injury prone CHO inconsistent if those two things persist they could be in for a winger
Barca- With pandemic effects likely to settle they may have the financial muscle to sign a big name player
PSG- With Mbappe set to leave they`ll want a replacement
Liverpool- Like Barca with pandemic effects down they may have the financial muscle to sign a big name attacking player preferably someone young as their attackers in their late 20s and 2 of them going to the AFCON
Heck even Utd may have a bad season and miss out on top 4 and he defo won`t want us with no CL
Can we really run the risk of letting in other teams for his signature if we have a free run this year? Isn`t it better to take that hit now if it guarantees a solid top 3 finish and maybe a trophy than use the same strategy in 2018 of not investing when it matters the most and as a result suffering heavy consequences from it(6th place) which will force you to invest anyway this time from a position of weakness?
So, what are we expecting from the Dortmund conference at 330pm?
Sancho is staying blah blah and that he will only go if an amazing offer is out on the table...
Therefore making them look good when they eventually sell.
Sancho is staying blah blah and that he will only go if an amazing offer is out on the table...
Therefore making them look good when they eventually sell.
Plus he’s English and Manchester United want him.
True or you could look at it in the sense they'd rather get their business done without announcing Sancho so they don't get fleeced. What I'm saying is we could have the agreement in place but are just delaying releasing it until it suits both sides.
I hope so but then what’s this press conference about? Hmmm
Sancho is more comparable to Dembele. Except Sancho is a bigger talent and less of a problem child, but during covid times and more proven. Dembele went to Barca for €148m after add ons. €120m for Sancho isn't ridiculous in comparison to the other world class talents like Dembele or Mbappe, because he's that tier of talent. The market will always be blown up for those, just because how rare they are.
There’s no way Sancho is signing a new contract at Dortmund. That will see him stuck there for at least another 3 years. He might get a bumper pay rise on his current deal but it would be absolutely stupid of him to sign a new contract if he wants to leave.
I can't see them getting more money than what we are willing to/will eventually pay. Covid has really messed things up, and that includes the finances for football clubs, too. I can't see any huge big-money transfers like this one on this sort of scale happening too frequently over this next year. I do think it will also still impact next summer's window, so agree with you there.
Look at the huge clubs in each league who would both be willing to and could afford this type of signing. The closer you look, that number seems to dwindle. Of course, if Dortmund are able to keep him for another year and can then tie him down on a longer deal, then that's open and shut. But, part of me does wonder whether many clubs would be willing to cash in on their high profile players due to the impact of Covid.
For our club, if we eventually do not go ahead with this transfer, that's potentially money that we can reinvest into the squad in other places. It won't be the end of the world for us. I just hope that we don't focus all of our attention on this one player and then lose out on others in more needed positions. Aside from Dortmund's imposed deadline, we are always against the transfer window clock and it's important that we don't run out of time.
Yeah that is pretty much the standard response in a situation like this. Negative brief but not closing the door on the deal still being completed
They have literally nothing to talk about, that’s the irony of the situation.
The conference will just be them underlining their stance that he's not going etc. As I said they have no power in this negotiation really if Sancho has agreed terms so early on. They'd get more power if the transfer deadline was near as United would be up against the clock. I see this imaginary deadline BvB are pushing as their way of turning up the heat.
Good point, we will see.
Absolutely agree that it won't be the end of the world if it doesn't happen. He's not even an essential signing really when you think about it but he is the right signing and I think United fans being United fans want the very best young attacking talent and are desperate for a new number 7.
I really like Sancho and want us to get him but if it's not meant to be we move on and look elsewhere.
Why not? They can make "gentlemen's agreement" with him. Like we did with De Gea 5 years ago. They can double his wage and say to him that in next 2 years they will sell him for xy fee.
I’m sure they would but they’ve already made it clear they want the sale by setting that deadline. They’d have told us to whistle if they wanted to keep him or they’d rather wait until next summer to encourage a bidding war and get a higher price, which they know they won’t.
Its possible that could happened but I doubt he’d have gone off to join the Dortmund team if the deal was done.
Don't be silly, Dortmund aren't sacrificing €120m. Between City's cut and whatever bite the player and his agents take they would net much less. And he wouldn't leave for free next summer either, would he?
Selling late means having pressure to sign a replacement from a tiny pool of available players and invalidating a lot of the tactical side of their pre-season. If they are faced with the choice of either keeping Sancho and losing out on say €30m or overpaying on someone they aren't convinced of and messing with their season then they could easily think it's better for them to take the hit.
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