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Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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It means feck all.
Great post.
Yep, try having talks with Spurs about Harry or PSG about Neymar, that wouldn't be met with we the club 'expect' them to be here next season.....would be a definitive 'not for sale under any circumstance'
Yeah it's so clear he's our number 1 target I can't see us missing out on him. There will be more cries of not backing the manager than there ever was under Mourinho and that's not something the club are going to want off the back of a positive season.
Think it'll take a while longer than first expected, but will get done eventually, and probably before either ours or Dortmunds seasons begin.
The common denominator in that though? Sir Alex.
One of the most nonsensical posts I have ever seen. So Barcelona should look at these teams and say wait a second they don't have Messi but they are winning and doing good. Natural conclusion having Messi doesn't make a difference right?
Agree with @Judas. No way is Sancho going to take a wage cut. But my advise and what I do is ignore wages discussion.
well said
You've completely missed the point, again.
Reports today that Dortmund believe they can get more next summer....no proof of that I.e pay us what we want. All the noise is coming from Dortmund’s side. How often does a club not wanting to sell a player keep briefing ? You literally make one statementYeah, of courseHow can not everyone see it? I mean look at Dortmund, they are so desperate, desperation is all over them. Don't you see it?
Sounds like he was attention seeking.
Kroos was a Moyes target
Utd genuine interest in players is like a royal wedding engagement, you know about it for day one so if feels forever till the bloody wedding day. You get the 'blow by blow' that's it feels that dragged out, you can't wait till it's over. When my nephew told me he was getting engaged, I wasn't interested until I had to make sure my suit still fit me the week before the wedding dance. That's how the media view other transfers.
He’s talking about Sancho leaving City and joining BVB
I think our chances of signing him are higher than not. I also think if we don’t sign him, the club have the perfect excuse this season, as do all clubs.
for the fee that Dortmund wanted
Sorry Uncle Bob, please remind me again which point I missed last time? I don't even recognise you as a poster.
The point was clearly 'United will be ok regardless of not signing a big name player.' Yes, ok, perhaps we will.
Perhaps, however, we don't do as well as this season, struggle to make top four, Ole get's the sack, we start the merry dance of the last 6 years again. The latter never being a possibility under SAF.
That sound inconceivable to you Uncle Bob?
He followed up on it and said it was positive information though.
But they were still sold when the club initially refused?
So the players got their way. Its not as if they were asking to be sold on the cheap. I dont even remember them being lowballed before their moves.
Still, the common theme amongst those players is Sir Alex. Who, whatever the outcome of a given transfer, would absolutely have us challenging the next season.
We don't have that luxury now, plus the league is arguably stronger, as are our rivals.
It means feck all. It's a pretty simple statement to make, he joins in on the bandwagon due to the amount of noise around the transfer, he then backs off a bit with his "i had information".
In all fairness i think United have done well in holding off Dortmund because we are a huge club and we need to be shown respect. We've always said that no player is bigger than the club and we need players to respect that. I agree that Sancho is an amazing player but to pay 120 mil during these trying times is hard for even the richest of clubs. What baffles me the most is, we are always overpaying clubs to get our intended targets. Pogba, Maguire and now it's with Sancho and i think this needs to end. I rather we go at Traore than meet the deadline set by a club. I'm happy if this money goes into other transfers and we're able to add like 3-4 players to this squad. I still think we have an exciting squad if we add a defensive midfielder, a forward who can play on both sides of the wing especially on the right and maybe a proper left back because i'm tired of Shaw.
With regards to Sancho, i hope he pushes for a move and gets it done because i don't believe for one sec that he's worth 120 mil even if we can afford it. Maybe 90+30 should work but i still don't think it's fair for us to pay the sum after Zorc being so outright about keeping the player. Even though i'd love for him to play for us, it's not the end of the world if he doesn't. I'm very sure our academy can come up with 120 mil worth players in the near future. So, for those who are biting their nails off regarding this transfer, you need to relax. We can definitely grow regardless of his inclusion in the mix. I'm still not saying we don't need him, i'm just saying let's not get written off if he's not here by the end of the transfer window.
I will still be a super United fan and want them to keep pushing for the title regardless!
With regards to Sancho, i hope he pushes for a move and gets it done because i don't believe for one sec that he's worth 120 mil even if we can afford it. Maybe 90+30 should work but i still don't think it's fair for us to pay the sum after Zorc being so outright about keeping the player. Even though i'd love for him to play for us, it's not the end of the world if he doesn't. I'm very sure our academy can come up with 120 mil worth players in the near future. So, for those who are biting their nails off regarding this transfer, you need to relax. We can definitely grow regardless of his inclusion in the mix. I'm still not saying we don't need him, i'm just saying let's not get written off if he's not here by the end of the transfer window.
I will still be a super United fan and want them to keep pushing for the title regardless!
There's probably more to that, but guess we'll never know. Still it doesn't change the fact that both sides and especially PSG had benefited from loan + purchase agreement.
If Dortmund want him to stay, if he’s happy to stay and you’ll get more next year then why the hell are Dortmund even entertaining the idea of a sale? It’s utter madness. The lady doth protest too much, as they say in the shires.Yeah, of course
Think he is just playing around for shits and giggles?
Everybody who has come to defend Ed or Glazers here are just funny. Ed is doing Ed right now. Don't tell me that Ed is not doing this right now and Judge is. Ed is the main guy, he is the one who everybody reports to. He will set the bar for the highest offer that his representatives can make. If he tells them to offer 60 million euros, then this is what they will offer. Ed gets his budgets from Glazers. 60mil for Jadon Sancho, have you seen what he can do on the pitch, his stats, is totally lowballing BVB. And i am not surprised that they tried to lowball Sancho himself with asking him to take a wage cut.
The other thing is that everybody keeps mentioning Dembele and Aubameyang. With Auba, they knew they will sell him. they wanted to sell him because he was getting older and it was last time to get a deal for him. and they got 50 or more for him from Arsenal (!!), you know the guys who offered 50+1 pound for Suarez
. Dembele was total pain in the arse for BVB ever since the season ended, he wanted to go. Dembele did everything he could to get the move, he didnt go to the training camp, gave in transfer request, the whole nine yards to get the move, and BVB still got every penny that they wanted and more. + there were rambling from the start of the training camp that BVB (plus us and Tottenham) wanted Sancho. so they already had another new target identified/maybe even agreed.
And dont read so many twitter posts from the so called experts like Romano etc. They didnt even know that Sancho had agreed new contract LAST YEAR!!! They are just pandering to the largest audience in the world.
Can you imagine having Rashford Martial/Greenwood Sancho front three? BVB can, that is why they wont negotiate less that 120 million. They know that with good European Cup Sancho will be the target for PSG, Barcelona and Real Madrid and they wont start with 60 million offer for Sancho. Fergie and Gill were smart, they always tried to buy before WC and EC.
The other thing is that everybody keeps mentioning Dembele and Aubameyang. With Auba, they knew they will sell him. they wanted to sell him because he was getting older and it was last time to get a deal for him. and they got 50 or more for him from Arsenal (!!), you know the guys who offered 50+1 pound for Suarez
. Dembele was total pain in the arse for BVB ever since the season ended, he wanted to go. Dembele did everything he could to get the move, he didnt go to the training camp, gave in transfer request, the whole nine yards to get the move, and BVB still got every penny that they wanted and more. + there were rambling from the start of the training camp that BVB (plus us and Tottenham) wanted Sancho. so they already had another new target identified/maybe even agreed. And dont read so many twitter posts from the so called experts like Romano etc. They didnt even know that Sancho had agreed new contract LAST YEAR!!!
They are just pandering to the largest audience in the world.Can you imagine having Rashford Martial/Greenwood Sancho front three? BVB can, that is why they wont negotiate less that 120 million. They know that with good European Cup Sancho will be the target for PSG, Barcelona and Real Madrid and they wont start with 60 million offer for Sancho. Fergie and Gill were smart, they always tried to buy before WC and EC.
Any absolute fecktard could post exactly the same tweets based on nothing else than pure imagination, it's not like he's making clear cut claims that can be proved at a later stage.
It's an interesting situation. Say Sancho starts forcing a move, but Dortmund refuses to sell short of their €120m evaluation. Now it's a conundrum. If they don't sell they're left with a disgruntled player, if they bench him for a season he will lose his value and it may prove detrimental to them in the long run. If they keep playing him, will he be as committed. Young players will think twice about commiting knowing they will potentially miss out of a dream move due to Dortmund asking for an exuberant amount of money.
Of course it's always possible to come to some sort of an arrangement between the player and the club.
Just food for thought, nothing more.
That clearly isn't correct though given how he's now gone on pre-season and the noises coming out from Dortmund is that we're still miles apart. If it was just the structure to sort then it would have been sorted by now and he'd not be preparing for their new season. Clearly it's more than structure. It's the price too.
Romano's full of shit mate. They all are. They do get some snippets of information here and there of course they do but a lot of what they do is educated guess work and being vague as possible.
Another ego maniac who doesn't have any more info than we do.
Honestly Dortmund made more money on them than they were worth imo, so not the best of examples.
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Wait hold on, this spoofer works for the BBC??
That can’t be right.But they werent for sale, chairs were thrown. 2 went on strike and forced Dortmunds hands.
The price is immaterial really.
The same way if Sancho forces a move and they get 100m.
In none of those recent examples did Dortmund show how good they are at ignoring trouble makers requests. The opposite is true
Yeah, but will he be that disappointed if he stays at Dortmund for another year? He doesn't give off that impression in any of his recent interviews, quite the opposite to be fair.
I think he'll join us if the opportunity arrises, but I don't think he'll go to the extent of kicking up a fuss or requesting a transfer to make it happen.
Wow going all the way back to gascoigne and shearer to talk about big targets we’ve missed. What a useless comparison to potentially missing out on Sancho when we aren’t even close to the team that was pursuing and missing out on those past targets. If we don’t get Sancho this summer, it would be an embarrassment and complete failure. No competition for his signature, a glaring need at RW and a potentially generational young English talent. This is a no brainer yet here we are.
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Promising him to sell when certain conditions are met was probably part of the bargain when they signed him.
Can't ever be wrong when you communicate in one character tweets. I think he has evolved to the next level of sports journalism.
What conditions are they, besides a club paying an exaggerated fee for his services?
He's evolved into a football god. This is his Amadeus moment.
One would assume €120m by August 10th.
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