B. Munich
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Strange title. How can a half Nigerian half German kid be an English Wunderkind?
Does he also hold an English passport?
Does he also hold an English passport?
It is apples and oranges, but aren’t analogies always so?Comparing apples with oranges.
Celtic or Nottingham just can't compete anymore, because they don't have nearly enough money, which wasn't an issue in the past.
With national teams money is irrelevant. You have your pool of players and pick the best. Nobody can buy your best players. Those circumstances have never changed and will never change.
For over 100 years now England has reached 1 international final, whereas Germany has reached 14 (!) finals.
They're just way more successful and have a better chance at winning titles. Nobody can deny that.
thats a fair point, Englands youth is excitingGermany's upcoming youth isn't that exciting compared to England's which is really more relevant.
Man I wish I lived in a country with enough talent to call a World Cup winning manager a twatOf course, he is.
Löw will not Call him up.
I love your confidence. If only the English national team got just a slice of it, they actually could win something, maybe.Laughable post. Especially after Germany’s latest result. Reads like you are about the same age of the player being discussed, hopefully you are about to mature as well.
Well it is. As much as I hate them, Germany is always competitive in big competitions. They have downs but they are there, much more then England to be honest...do you get it? Past performance is not an indicator of future success.
Sure, no one knows but you have favorites, no matter what competition. A very few team have won the world cup, Germany have won 4 of them and are only behind Brazil. So it is more probable that they will win one from lets say the next 3 or 4 then England who have won one on their own home soil.It is apples and oranges, but aren’t analogies always so?
Anyway, it was a stupid post, that’s been taken far too far, including by myself, and I should have ignored it. It’s joe tiresome and boring.
No one knows who is going to win trophies in the next 20 years. I would hope we can all agree on that.
The 2018 world cup and everything since was at least a minor war crime.Man I wish I lived in a country with enough talent to call a World Cup winning manager a twat
If somebody won the world cup for England I think they would be then excused by the general public for anything up to and including minor war crimes.
You are talking 5 to 10 years into the past about infrastructure. England have caught up to Germany now in this regarded, even surpased. I remember reading an article a few months ago of an high profile person in Germany even admiting this.It is more likely that Germany will win something going by historical record and the fact they’re a significantly larger country than England whilst having a similar football culture and quality of infrastructure. In general Germany are the best placed nation in the world to win international tournaments, at least until some other larger population football mad nations catch up in terms of infrastructure.
I said the infrastructure is similar. England have edged ahead of Germany in producing young players very recently but the difference isn’t profound and could simply be due to happenstance. Germany will always have a natural advantage because their population is 83m to England’s 55m. They have a good deal more of the fundamental raw material to produce more high quality footballers more often.You are talking 5 to 10 years into the past about infrastructure. England have caught up to Germany now in this regarded, even surpased. I remember reading an article a few months ago of an high profile person in Germany even admiting this.
The FA spend shit loads of money now at grassroots, more than any other country. It's obvious England are going to see the rewards of these investments and so will the rest of the UK. Look at Scott McTominay, even better Billy Gilmour, he's got the potential to be a global star. As much as the rest of the UK have no love towards England, he's the best the best example of England developing talent for the rest of the UK and how English football spending the huge amounts that it does can benefit the whole of the UK and Ireland.
I don't agree with that at all, if we are going by population China would be the best in the world with 1.4 billion people and India 2nd with 1.35 billion. Sport doesn't work like that and neither does football. New Zealand (4.8 million people) are formidable at rugby every generation.I said the infrastructure is similar. England have edged ahead of Germany in producing young players very recently but the difference isn’t profound and could simply be due to happenstance. Germany will always have a natural advantage because their population is 83m to England’s 55m. They have a good deal more of the fundamental raw material to produce more high quality footballers more often.
The correlation for success at international football has been found to be between GDP (infrastructure to nuture talent), population size (fundamental raw material) and years playing international football (established football culture). Obviously there are outliers and it isn't the whole story but all other things being equal then Germany will always have a natural advantage over England and other European football nations because of their population size.I don't agree with that at all, if we are going by population China would be the best in the world with 1.4 billion people and India 2nd with 1.35 billion. Sport doesn't work like that and neither does football. New Zealand (4.8 million people) are formidable at rugby every generation.
Argentina (44 milion) have a rich football history and have produced 2 alltime greats in Messi and Maradona. Portugal (10 million) also have a great football pedigree producing alltime greats like Eusebio/Figo and C.Ronaldo.
How good a country produces sporting talent goes on infrastructure aswell as a national passion for sport, as football is the national sport of England we are always going to produce some of the best players in the world in their area of expertise every generation and England have always done that, ie players like Scholes/Beckham/Rooney/Owen/A.Cole/Rio/Terry/Gerrard/Lampard from the last generation - Gazza/Shearer/Lineker/Platt/Waddle/Robson/Ince/Wright/Barnes generation before that.
2010 (when the penny dropped with England) The change and aim for England was to try and produce 'more' of these technical players (encourging kids to pass and express themselves with the ball) as thats what countries like Spain/Germany did and were sucessful with, 10 years later these kids are now 18-21 year olds, some of these young players are Premier League winners and Champions League winners ie:- Trent Alexander-Arnold (in my opinion the most exciting young English player of the lot) and right now we are shitting these players out to the extent where it doesn't matter if England get an injury to a key player because we have someone else just as good to replace them, if Foden gets injured there's Bellingham who can come in and do just a good of a job, if Rashford gets injured there's Sterling, if Sterling gets injured there's Grealish, if Sancho gets injured there's Greenwood. That was the problem England had previous generations, always had that quality, we just never had that pool of depth hence Uri Geller on the front of the papers telling you to touch a picture of Beckham's and Rooney's broken foot. Rooney getting injured left us with Heskey and Crouch.
Rather than sheltered, I think youngsters simply develop better in the Bundesliga as they are given alot of opportunities in the important stage between ages 19-23 to play. That is where English youngsters fall through the cracks of an ultra competitive and success driven league. The teams in the BL don't have pressure that comes with money being invested in the team, and therefore also don't have the money to buy foreign players, so they are more patient with giving opportunities to youngsters.I feel like Germany keeps much of their talent slightly more sheltered anyways. England hypes every 17/18 year old they see to be the next big thing wheras in Germany sometimes there's names of 21/22 year olds I rarely heard of suddenly putting in world class performance after world class performance. At this age many of the English former superstars are slacking and mostly get make the headlines for nightlife and other non-football related things.
I think Kimmich is a good example of this. Never heard of his name then suddenly popped out of nowhere at like 21 or 22 to be the successor of Philipp Lahm. Now at 25 in my opinion the best central midfielder in the world. Had little hype around him for all of his career but it's probably only made him an even better player.
Of course this is a slight generalisation, but it's a trend I've noticed over the past decades.
Germany as a whole have only won the World Cup once (same as England). Germany's other 3 wins come from West Germany (same population as England).The correlation for success at international football has been found to be between GDP (infrastructure to nuture talent), population size (fundamental raw material) and years playing international football (established football culture). Obviously there are outliers and it isn't the whole story but all other things being equal then Germany will always have a natural advantage over England and other European football nations because of their population size.
Your point on the population of West Germany against England is incorrect. West Germany's population in 1950 was 51 million whilst England's was 38.6 million. In 1989 the countries respective populations were 62 million and 47.5 million. Then you are falling into the trap of not considering the other variables that make up the correlation and that there are outliers. England are a high population first world football nation though and one of the nations to have won the World Cup. I'm not saying that England can't win the World Cup or shouldn't have done better historically. Only that Germany are the best placed nation in the world for success in international football currently.Germany as a whole have only won the World Cup once (same as England). Germany's other 3 wins come from West Germany (same population as England).
And when you look at previous World Cup winners, other than Brazil and Germany's 1 win, all previous World Cup winners have a similar population (or lower) than England.
Yeah i'll do that, must be right if Si and Ste says it is although in all honesty it's a load of shite.Your point on the population of West Germany against England is incorrect. West Germany's population in 1950 was 51 million whilst England's was 38.6 million. In 1989 the countries respective populations were 62 million and 47.5 million. Then you are falling into the trap of not considering the other variables that make up the correlation and that there are outliers. England are a high population first world football nation though and one of the nations to have won the World Cup. I'm not saying that England can't win the World Cup or shouldn't have done better historically. Only that Germany are the best placed nation in the world for success in international football currently.
Take it up with Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski as the correlation is from their book Soccernomics.
Seems pretty obvious to me. The more people a country has, the more likely it is to get a higher level of top athletes on average, providing that there are enough young people participating a given sport (culture) and the sporting infrastructure to nurture that talent is there (high GDP making this more likely).Yeah i'll do that, must be right if Si and Ste says it is although in all honesty it's a load of shite.
I've already gave examples how this is wrong. Do you want me to give more?Seems pretty obvious to me. The more people a country has the more likely it is to get a higher level of top athletes on average, providing that there are enough young people participating a given sport (culture) and the sporting infrastructure to nurture that talent is there (high GDP making this more likely).
Rugby Union is a niche sport in most of the world. What do you think participation levels are like in the UK? It’s barely even played in the north of England. A significant portion of England players are privately educated, only 7% of children in the UK are privately educated. The Rugby Union talent pool is very limited in England and akin to that of a small nation. If Rugby Union was as popular in England as it is in Wales or New Zealand then it’s highly likely that England would be the dominant side as the largest Rugby nation with the sporting infrastructure to nurture that talent. The reverse would be if football was the top sport in America. If it was then the US would be among the very best football nations as they have all the tools through population size and sporting infrastructure required to achieve that.I've already gave examples how this is wrong. Do you want me to give more?
Bashing away on my keyboard without really giving too much thought into it, i can tell you right now without knowing any players who will be playing in 10 years New Zealand (4.9 million people) will be one of the best countries in the world at rugby, someone from Iceland (356,000 people) will be challenging for the World's Strongest Man and Jamaicans (3 million people) will be amongst the fastest sprinters in the world.
Also want to add, Germany have a ageing population, one of the highest ageing populations in the world. Them having 5/10/15 or 20 million more people than another country doesn't mean too much in a sporting sense when a high number of this population are too old to compete in professional sport.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-Musiala-prospect-set-join-Germany-squad.html
Hopefully this is true. ^^
Just the same info that was in the Daily Mail. He'll have to announce soon I would have thought as the paper work can take a while and the games are soon.
Ha, the wink is always a bit cryptic! What do you know?We'll know before long. I'm cautiously optimistic at the moment