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Which neither of those two are. Any sale we make would represent a profit. They're no more deadwood than Levitt or Puigmal.Yes they should, if they’re under performing and earning a ridiculous wage.
Which neither of those two are. Any sale we make would represent a profit. They're no more deadwood than Levitt or Puigmal.Yes they should, if they’re under performing and earning a ridiculous wage.
an excellent name for a porn channelIt looks like Arsenal are getting banged for buck.
How’s Pereira’s loan move at Lazio going? Doesn’t help when academy players are underperforming, what profit do you expect on his sale, not much.Which neither of those two are. Any sale we make would represent a profit. They're no more deadwood than Levitt or Puigmal.
Of course they should. If I had come through the ranks and was sat on the bench earning 50K per week, I would be 100% deadwood as I am not good enough for the squad.Academy products shouldn't be considered deadwood. Sellable, yes. But only because we've produced them from out of nothing.
Nos. | Nov 2012 | Dec 2013 | Dec 2014 | Dec 2015 | Dec 2016 | Dec 2017 | Dec 2018 | Dec 2019 | Present- |
1 | De Gea | De Gea | De Gea | De Gea | De Gea | De Gea | De Gea | De Gea | De Gea |
2 | Rafael | Rafael | Rafael | Lindelof | Lindelof | Lindelof | Lindelof | ||
3 | Evra | Evra | Shaw | Bailly | Bailly | Bailly | Bailly | Bailly | |
4 | Jones | Jones | Jones | Jones | Jones | Jones | Jones | Jones | Jones |
5 | Ferdinand | Ferdinand | Rojo | Rojo | Rojo | Rojo | Maguire | Maguire | |
6 | Evans | Evans | Evans | Pogba | Pogba | Pogba | Pogba | Pogba | |
7 | Valencia | Di Maria | Depay | Depay | Sanchez | Sanchez (L) | Cavani | ||
8 | Anderson | Anderson | Mata | Mata | Mata | Mata | Mata | Mata | Mata |
9 | Falcao | Martial | Zlatan | Lukaku | Lukaku | Martial | Martial | ||
10 | Rooney | Rooney | Rooney | Rooney | Rooney | Zlatan | Rashford | Rashford | Rashford |
11 | Giggs | Giggs | Januzaj | Januzaj (L) | Martial | Martial | Martial | Greenwood | |
12 | Smalling | Smalling | Smalling | Smalling | Smalling | Smalling | Smalling | Smalling (L) | |
13 | Lindegaard | Lindegaard | Lindegaard | Grant | Grant | Grant | |||
14 | Hernandez | Hernandez | Hernandez (L) | Lingard | Lingard | Lingard | Lingard | Lingard (L) | |
15 | Vidic | Vidic | Januzaj (L) | A. Pereira (L) | A. Pereira | A. Pereira | A. Pereira (L) | ||
16 | Carrick | Carrick | Carrick | Carrick | Carrick | Carrick | Rojo | Rojo | |
17 | Nani | Nani | Blind | Blind | Blind | Blind | Fred | Fred | Fred |
18 | Young | Young | Young | Young | Young | Young | Young | Young | Bruno |
19 | Welbeck | Welbeck | Wilson (L) | Rashford | Rashford | Diallo | |||
20 | van Persie | van Persie | van Persie | Romero | Romero | Romero | Dalot | Dalot | Dalot (L) |
21 | Henriquez | Henriquez (L) | Herrera | Herrera | Herrera | Herrera | Herrera | James | James |
22 | Scholes | Fabio | Powell (L) | Powell | Mkhitaryan | Mkhitaryan | Romero | Romero | Romero |
23 | Cleverley | Cleverley | Cleverley (L) | Shaw | Shaw | Shaw | Shaw | Shaw | Shaw |
24 | Fletcher | Fletcher | Fletcher | Fosu-Mensah | Fosu-Mensah (L) | Fosu-Mensah (L) | Fosu-Mensah | ||
25 | Powell | Valencia | Valencia | Valencia | Valencia | Valencia | Valencia | ||
26 | Kagawa | Kagawa | Greenwood | Henderson | |||||
27 | Macheda | Macheda (L) | Fellaini | Fellaini | Fellaini | Fellaini | Telles | ||
28 | Buttner | Buttner | Anderson | Schneiderlin | Schneiderlin | Gomes | Pellistri (L) | ||
29 | Zaha | Zaha (L) | Wan-Bissaka | Wan-Bissaka | |||||
30 | Varela | Varela (L) | Varela | ||||||
31 | Fellaini | Fellaini | Schweinsteiger | Schweinsteiger | Matic | Matic | Matic | Matic | |
32 | Powell (L) | Johnstone | Johnstone (L) | ||||||
33 | Bebe | Bebe (L) | McNair | McNair | Williams | ||||
34 | L. Cole | van de Beek | |||||||
35 | Lingard (L) | Lingard | Lingard | ||||||
36 | Vermijl | Darmian | Darmian | Darmian | Darmian | ||||
37 | Janko | Garner | Garner (L) | ||||||
38 | M. Keane | M. Keane (L) | M. Keane (L) | Tunzebe | Tuanzebe | Tuanzebe | Tuanzebe (L) | Tuanzebe | Tuanzebe |
39 | T. Thorpe | Rashford | McTominay | McTominay | McTominay | McTominay | |||
40 | Amos (L) | Amos (L) | Amos | J. Pereira | J. Pereira (L) | J. Pereira | |||
41 | R. James (L) | ||||||||
42 | Blackett | Blackett (L) | |||||||
43 | B.-Jackson (L) | B.-Jackson (L) | B.-Jackson (L) | Mengi | |||||
44 | Januzaj | A. Pereira | A. Pereira | A. Pereira (L) | Chong | Chong (L) | |||
45 | Sean Goss | ||||||||
46 | |||||||||
47 | |||||||||
48 | W. Keane | ||||||||
49 | Wilson | ||||||||
50 | Johnstone | Johnstone | Johnstone | ||||||
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74 | Shoretire |
Undoubtedly. With De Gea likely going in the summer and Mata out of contract, there should be wiggle room to pay the wages for top talent.Chelsea will undoubtedly overtake us this summer as well, excellent work from Ole.
Mata doesn't have a three-year deal. The club are triggering a single-year extension in his existing contract. Not sure it's worth keeping him, but it makes a lot more sense than Matic's three-year deal.I feel like renewing Mata and Matic for three years was a mistake
and Jones obviously
but other that that Ole's done a great job of trimming the fat
Great stuff Ole.
I keep seeing people say this, but I just don't see how that happens. Even if we gave him a free transfer, who needs a keeper and can afford his wages?Undoubtedly. With De Gea likely going in the summer and Mata out of contract, there should be wiggle room to pay the wages for top talent.
Watching RM, PSG... not sure their keeper situation is that secureI keep seeing people say this, but I just don't see how that happens. Even if we gave him a free transfer, who needs a keeper and can afford his wages?
Real have much bigger targets (Mbappe, Haaland) and 100% won't be throwing cash at DDG. PSG is the only club I can see who might be interested - but even there I'm hugely sceptical. I think we're stuck with him, personally.Watching RM, PSG... not sure their keeper situation is that secure
I find this difficult to believeGreat stuff Ole.
We've been in this is situation before of overpaying wages and still managed to move the player on.I keep seeing people say this, but I just don't see how that happens. Even if we gave him a free transfer, who needs a keeper and can afford his wages?
I have a feeling Matic and Matas experience is seriously underrated in here - think about how few experienced players we have - so I think its good to have a few players like that around the club. Or put in simpler terms - I think their importance to the club is bigger in the locker room than on the pitchNothing against Mata and Matic 5 years ago. They are now deadwood though. Have been for a year IMO.
I actually trust Ole and his squad management though.
PSG after the Keylor Navas s**t show last night.I keep seeing people say this, but I just don't see how that happens. Even if we gave him a free transfer, who needs a keeper and can afford his wages?
I watched PSG lose to City yesterday - do I need to explain where I am going with this ?I keep seeing people say this, but I just don't see how that happens. Even if we gave him a free transfer, who needs a keeper and can afford his wages?
Damn you beat me by 1 secondPSG after the Keylor Navas s**t show last night.
Matic plays less and less. The more he games he plays in a row the worse he gets but is pretty dependable when called upon, and seemingly a good senior figure. Same with Mata. He doesnt play a lot and I dont think he suits a starting spot in our first 11 and style of play but when he does play he is a quality intelligent footballer. He has 11 apps this season, with 3 assists and 2 goals. He had 37 with 7 assists and 3 goals last year. And not all of those apps are starts.I have a feeling Matic and Matas experience is seriously underrated in here - think about how few experienced players we have - so I think its good to have a few players like that around the club. Or put in simpler terms - I think their importance to the club is bigger in the locker room than on the pitch
Experience is over rated personally. It's obviously helpful to the young lads that want advice for the future, but it won't help you win a football match.I have a feeling Matic and Matas experience is seriously underrated in here - think about how few experienced players we have - so I think its good to have a few players like that around the club. Or put in simpler terms - I think their importance to the club is bigger in the locker room than on the pitch
TBF, they got trophies for their wastage. We got the entire footballing world (executives/agents) knowing that Woodward was completely incompetent and out of his depth and hence agents/rival execs exploiting us - again, to the point where it would have looked weak not to do so. That last part is the real problem.The wastage on wages during the Woodward era has been horrific, we are not quite in the Madrid levels of wastage but pretty close.
We have that non-CL wage cut clause don’t we? So at the very least ours will be 20-25% higher again this year.Reading that thread it seems their wage figures are definitely ballooned by recent CL and PL victories, so yes the figure should drop a lot next year. I'd be amazed if there base salaries aren't very similar to ours if not a little less.
These accounts are also for 19/20 so we didn't have the CL either. I expect our wages to inflate by a fair bit for this years end.
Who would be their highest earner?
Yes. Our wages were cut and theirs were at the highest due to PL win. There's no way there can be a £40m difference on a normal season i'm sure of that.We have that non-CL wage cut clause don’t we? So at the very least ours will be 20-25% higher again this year.
Plus we’ve added Henderson’s new deal along with Van de Beek and Cavani.
Yep the 'reduction' likely won't be as dramatic as made out here over the last few posts.We have that non-CL wage cut clause don’t we? So at the very least ours will be 20-25% higher again this year.
Plus we’ve added Henderson’s new deal along with Van de Beek and Cavani.
Well, you're wrong on that one. People who have "been there and done that" is always valuable for any organization. Especially when you're trying to achieve something that most of the other people in the organization haven't done before.Experience is over rated personally. It's obviously helpful to the young lads that want advice for the future, but it won't help you win a football match.
You can't compare an organization to sport.Well, you're wrong on that one. People who have "been there and done that" is always valuable for any organization. Especially when you're trying to achieve something that most of the other people in the organization haven't done before.
it’s a balance - and no it’s not always valuable.Well, you're wrong on that one. People who have "been there and done that" is always valuable for any organization. Especially when you're trying to achieve something that most of the other people in the organization haven't done before.
A sports team IS an organization, and the performance on the pitch is affected by everyone in that organization. The tea lady, the manager, the substitutes, the sporting director, the kit man are all doing their job so that the players on the pitch can perform to their maximum. The role of the experienced heads like Matic and Mata is to guide the younger players. You know they train and socialize together? Their job is also to fill in when the first team is rested and bring experience on the pitch when the "reserves" are playing, and might be exactly what|s needed to win even though your star players are resting.You can't compare an organization to sport.
If experience was so important then everybody would be playing 30/40 year olds.
Yes it can come in handy to deal with pressure and expectation, but on pitch performance is rarely improved by it.
Matic is our most experienced midfielder but the worst option of the lot.
Experience is always valuable, but I agree that there is a balance to be struck. Experience is not the same as being set in your ways by the way. I believe the role of the experienced players has a lot to do with psychology. How to get through tough games and deal with pressure. Mata nad Matic are obviously kept for their personal skills, not their physique. Other experienced players have been let go.it’s a balance - and no it’s not always valuable.
experience can come with pre conceived ideas, which is not helpful. Experience can limit an organisation.
Just look at the likes of Jose from a managerial perspective. He was successful when he had energy, passion and new ideas. He now has 20 years of experience but is outdated, no passion and no drive to be successful.
Sounds like you've never played football in your life to me personally.A sports team IS an organization, and the performance on the pitch is affected by everyone in that organization. The tea lady, the manager, the substitutes, the sporting director, the kit man are all doing their job so that the players on the pitch can perform to their maximum. The role of the experienced heads like Matic and Mata is to guide the younger players. You know they train and socialize together? Their job is also to fill in when the first team is rested and bring experience on the pitch when the "reserves" are playing, and might be exactly what|s needed to win even though your star players are resting.
Seems by your post that your outlook on how things work is kind of narrow.
Have I argued otherwise?Matic is more valuable off the pitch.
That’s really not hard though. So is Jones…Matic is more valuable off the pitch.
Heh. I’d imagine Deschamps would have similar admissions about certain players who made the WC squad despite France swimming in elite talent in near every position waiting in reserve.This actually reminded me of a sports psychologist who spoke to all the workers at my company about 10-12 years ago. He had worked closely with Sven Goran Eriksson for many years and he told a story from when Svennis was the manager of Lazio in 1999.
Before that season he signed Attilio Lombardo - and Svennis was almost ridiculed in the press for signing Lombardo who was 33 years old and according to most people, well past it. Lazio won the title - and the psychologist told us that a few weeks afterwards he had a meeting with Svennis and simply asked him - why did you sign Lombardo ?
Svennis response was: Because everyone thinks he is so fun to be around.
Well yes, otherwise what was your original point then? I said it won't help on the pitch and would off it?Have I argued otherwise?
We need some experienced heads around the place.Undoubtedly. With De Gea likely going in the summer and Mata out of contract, there should be wiggle room to pay the wages for top talent.
Matic's contract extension till 2023 at his age seems to have been a mistake, but hell maybe he'll have something to teach the next DM that comes in. The guy's apparently a core part of the squad's culture and discipline, even if his legs are gone.
Mata doesn't have a three-year deal. The club are triggering a single-year extension in his existing contract. Not sure it's worth keeping him, but it makes a lot more sense than Matic's three-year deal.