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Didn't think he was that amazing to be honest, haven't really watched Everton this season but has he been that good? Also, even though it was offside, to get done so easily by Rashford at the end was a bit of a red flag for me.
 

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I would be surprised if Everton Would let him go that cheaply. Young, English, Mobile & good with either foot. I expect to see 60m plus.
Oh yeah, I agree, which is why I don’t think we should buy him. Better not to overpay for potential. Hopefully we’ve learned our lesson.
 

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Not being called up for England is a weird benchmark considering Southgate was choosing Maguire despite other players actually playing football while he was on your bench. Doesn't mean anything.

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With players of his age, the fee comes down to what they're worth now and what they will be worth in the future. 30/40m is nonsense based on that metric and his ability/potential within the current modern market.
It means he's currently behind the likes of Marc Guéhi, Fikayo Tomori and Ezri Konsa in the pecking order.

You can't seriously claim he's worth much more than £40 million essentially based on one season in a very poor Everton team. An Everton team that is set up to be very defensive under Sean Dyche.

It's far far too early to say that he's capable of playing at the very top level yet. He literally has nothing to back this claim up.

For £60 to 75 million you should be getting one of the best centre backs in world football, not a prospect.
 

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It means he's currently behind the likes of Marc Guéhi, Fikayo Tomori and Ezri Konsa in the pecking order.

You can't seriously claim he's worth much more than £40 million essentially based on one season in a very poor Everton team. An Everton team that is set up to be very defensive under Sean Dyche.

It's far far too early to say that he's capable of playing at the very top level yet. He literally has nothing to back this claim up.

For £60 to 75 million you should be getting one of the best centre backs in world football, not a prospect.
Again, the England point is daft and irrelevant because we all know (apart from you it seems) that Southgate has stupid and negligent squad selections.

Up until recently, untill we started leaking goals a bit, (which I don't blame him personally for) we have had one of the top performing defenses in the best league in the world and he has been a crucial part of that. He's been one of the best CBs in the league this year and arguably the best young CB (21 and under) as the article on the previous page indicates. His individual metrics aswell as the team defensive metrics hold him in good stead to showing his current ability but also his potential. He plays like a modern CB, on the front foot, but has the physical attributes of a hardened veteran of the game.

People need to start being more realistic about the actual truth of the market nowadays especially in the PL and especially when considering homegrown players.
 

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It means he's currently behind the likes of Marc Guéhi, Fikayo Tomori and Ezri Konsa in the pecking order.

You can't seriously claim he's worth much more than £40 million essentially based on one season in a very poor Everton team. An Everton team that is set up to be very defensive under Sean Dyche.

It's far far too early to say that he's capable of playing at the very top level yet. He literally has nothing to back this claim up.

For £60 to 75 million you should be getting one of the best centre backs in world football, not a prospect.
Some clubs make a habit of paying top dollar for players at their peak & then watching their performance and value drop. I agree that it's a gamble to pay big money for young player such as Rasmus Hojlund & Jarrad Branthwaite but I feel that it's the way to build a team with longevity.
Everton would be foolish to let such a talent go cheaply especially with FFP rampant these days
 

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It means he's currently behind the likes of Marc Guéhi, Fikayo Tomori and Ezri Konsa in the pecking order.

You can't seriously claim he's worth much more than £40 million essentially based on one season in a very poor Everton team. An Everton team that is set up to be very defensive under Sean Dyche.

It's far far too early to say that he's capable of playing at the very top level yet. He literally has nothing to back this claim up.

For £60 to 75 million you should be getting one of the best centre backs in world football, not a prospect.
It means no such thing. Do England play every week or something? How many England squads have been selected this season?
 

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Again, the England point is daft and irrelevant because we all know (apart from you it seems) that Southgate has stupid and negligent squad selections.

Up until recently, untill we started leaking goals a bit, (which I don't blame him personally for) we have had one of the top performing defenses in the best league in the world and he has been a crucial part of that. He's been one of the best CBs in the league this year and arguably the best young CB (21 and under) as the article on the previous page indicates. His individual metrics aswell as the team defensive metrics hold him in good stead to showing his current ability but also his potential. He plays like a modern CB, on the front foot, but has the physical attributes of a hardened veteran of the game.

People need to start being more realistic about the actual truth of the market nowadays especially in the PL and especially when considering homegrown players.
I think he’s worth more than £40m, however I’d say a package around the £60m mark will be the area business will be done.

I also think if anything Martinez has been underrated during his absence. He’s been absolutely phenomenal and has Champions League pedigree. He’s also a World Cup winner.

Branthwaite will have the usual English tax added but given Everton’s financial issues I suspect they’d snap someones hand off for £60m (which will, given his age, be split on future success/appearances etc).
 

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I don't see why anyone wants him here. We have Martinez as our left sided centre back. We just need a competent, affordable deputy. I assume this lad wants to play regularly and that Everton will want a stupid, unrealistic fee.
 

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It means he's currently behind the likes of Marc Guéhi, Fikayo Tomori and Ezri Konsa in the pecking order.

You can't seriously claim he's worth much more than £40 million essentially based on one season in a very poor Everton team. An Everton team that is set up to be very defensive under Sean Dyche.

It's far far too early to say that he's capable of playing at the very top level yet. He literally has nothing to back this claim up.

For £60 to 75 million you should be getting one of the best centre backs in world football, not a prospect.
We got Maguire for £80million so I'm not sure what makes you think £60million is going to get you one of the world's best defenders.
 

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It means he's currently behind the likes of Marc Guéhi, Fikayo Tomori and Ezri Konsa in the pecking order.

You can't seriously claim he's worth much more than £40 million essentially based on one season in a very poor Everton team. An Everton team that is set up to be very defensive under Sean Dyche.

It's far far too early to say that he's capable of playing at the very top level yet. He literally has nothing to back this claim up.

For £60 to 75 million you should be getting one of the best centre backs in world football, not a prospect.
Gareth Southgate unilaterally dictates a player's market value?
 

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I do like him but don’t we need a right center back more? As well as 2 midfielders, a right winger, a left back and a striker
 

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Fair enough. I know ten Hag wants his CBs to be the footedness of the side they're on so I can't see us spending that much on an LCB when there's so many other concerning areas. Whether ETH will be here is another matter but I also think it makes sense to have the left-footed CB play on the left side.
That might be a consideration but there are also plenty of teams who have played right footed CBs in the left channel before, so there's no reason why a left footed player shouldn't be capable of doing the same on the right. Van Dijk does it currently and he's one of the most revered CBs in the country.

Branthwaite also scored highly on the list of most two-footed passers in the Premier League:
 

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I don't see why anyone wants him here. We have Martinez as our left sided centre back. We just need a competent, affordable deputy. I assume this lad wants to play regularly and that Everton will want a stupid, unrealistic fee.
You are clearly assuming that not all of our current players are going to be chronically injured the next two seasons.
 

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Let me rephrase this another way.

What has Braithwaite done to suggest he's better than £40 million Van de Ven at Spurs or £33 million Torres at Villa?

He's not some sort of once in a generation defender!

For 60 million plus you'd expect the Bellingham of centre backs!

He's a talented player sure, but he doesn't even have a full season of Premier League football under his belt yet.
 

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What has Braithwaite done to suggest he's better than £40 million Van de Ven at Spurs or £33 million Torres at Villa?
You're focusing on specific factors without taking in the whole picture. It's the same when people laugh at Brighton for wanting a lot of money for their players. When you take everything into account, wanting a fee in the range of ~60m for Branthwaite makes complete sense.

You're also ignoring the current market. Players are regularly being traded now for big fees and Branthwaite is being tracked by the top clubs.
 

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Let me rephrase this another way.

What has Braithwaite done to suggest he's better than £40 million Van de Ven at Spurs or £33 million Torres at Villa?

He's not some sort of once in a generation defender!

For 60 million plus you'd expect the Bellingham of centre backs!

He's a talented player sure, but he doesn't even have a full season of Premier League football under his belt yet.
He's got three years on his deal, plays for a PL club, and counts towards a club's homegrown quota. You might not like it, but that's how the market is.
 

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You are clearly assuming that not all of our current players are going to be chronically injured the next two seasons.
Plus when we have no left backs and only one fit full back Martinez moved to left back and Branthwaite at 6’5 plays at CB.
 

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He's got three years on his deal, plays for a PL club, and counts towards a club's homegrown quota. You might not like it, but that's how the market is.
That type of reasoning is how we justified Maguire at the time.

At this price point, we should be looking at Inacio, Diomande, Lukeba, and many other options just as promising.
 

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That type of reasoning is how we justified Maguire at the time.

At this price point, we should be looking at Inacio, Diomande, Lukeba, and many other options just as promising.
No, this type of reasoning is how Everton set their price. It has nothing to do with if we pay it.
 

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Let me rephrase this another way.

What has Braithwaite done to suggest he's better than £40 million Van de Ven at Spurs or £33 million Torres at Villa?

He's not some sort of once in a generation defender!

For 60 million plus you'd expect the Bellingham of centre backs!

He's a talented player sure, but he doesn't even have a full season of Premier League football under his belt yet.
A young English player who has done well playing in the Premier League is always going to cost more than counterparts coming from other leagues.

We've also been tracking Branthwaite since before his loan to PSV so he's clearly a talented player who has been on our radar for a while. What does it even mean to be the Bellingham of centre backs?
 

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A young English player who has done well playing in the Premier League is always going to cost more than counterparts coming from other leagues.

We've also been tracking Branthwaite since before his loan to PSV so he's clearly a talented player who has been on our radar for a while. What does it even mean to be the Bellingham of centre backs?
Then given the state of our finances, its better to find prospects in other leagues.
 

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Then given the state of our finances, its better to find prospects in other leagues.
Maybe but that also depends on who else we can find and how those players compare in terms of fee and quality.

There are plenty of advantages to signing talented homegrown players if they're the right fit. We did that well under Ferguson and it gave us a good foundation to work from over a prolonged period. Branthwaite looks like he could be a good fit so we should try to do a deal if we can agree a fair price. FFP might force Everton to the negotiating table.
 

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We need cover 2 is not enough, next year new European format adds at least 2 extra games, having 2 left sides centre backs who are left footed makes total sense.
Yes, I'm advocating having 2 left backs and 2 left sided centre backs. However, signing Branthwaite for some ridiculous fee is not the one.
 

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Why would Everton sell for 30-40 million, if it's obvious that he's a way better player than that?

I feel like the same argument is being brought up against his potential high fee that was brought up against the Hojlund transfer.

If our scouts identify him as an elite level talent, despite a lack of experience at the highest level, much like Hojlund, then it isn't that big of a risk.
 

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A young English player who has done well playing in the Premier League is always going to cost more than counterparts coming from other leagues.

We've also been tracking Branthwaite since before his loan to PSV so he's clearly a talented player who has been on our radar for a while. What does it even mean to be the Bellingham of centre backs?
My point is that whilst he's good he's not at the kind of level that justifies a massive fee yet. Far from it.

If he was the stand out defender in the league then fine but he isn't.

So by the Bellingham of Centre backs I mean a true generational talent.

Rio Ferdinand was a generational talent worth paying a massive fee for. This lad still has a lot to prove.
 

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My point is that whilst he's good he's not at the kind of level that justifies a massive fee yet. Far from it.

If he was the stand out defender in the league then fine but he isn't.

So by the Bellingham of Centre backs I mean a true generational talent.

Rio Ferdinand was a generational talent worth paying a massive fee for. This lad still has a lot to prove.
And you base that on the number of PL games he's played so far, or have you actually watched his performances? Because he is on a high level already.
 
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My point is that whilst he's good he's not at the kind of level that justifies a massive fee yet. Far from it.

If he was the stand out defender in the league then fine but he isn't.

So by the Bellingham of Centre backs I mean a true generational talent.

Rio Ferdinand was a generational talent worth paying a massive fee for. This lad still has a lot to prove.
I don't think that level of talent currently exists among defenders. Even if they did I doubt they'd be coming to this incarnation of United.

Fees for young players are very rarely decided by what that player has achieved in the game because more often than not the buying club is paying for the potential. City spent a daft amount on Gvardiol last year because of what they thought he might become rather than what he is now.
 

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Then given the state of our finances, its better to find prospects in other leagues.
I think you are right that we have to look elsewhere, he looks a really good prospect but Everton are going to demand 70m for him, maybe more. Given we need so many players, I think players like him and Neves from Benfica are ones to revisit in a year or two if still at current clubs.