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It was a good move for him but he's just not top top quality so he won't be a starter at a club that aims for the CL for example. A sub, yes. But not a starter. With that said, Leverkusen is a good club for him.
Good move for him. He's not world class level, IMO, and he wanted more of a guaranteed starting spot iirc.
Would have been a great squad option to have though, especially with our lack of quality upfront.
I think it's best described as "he's found his level", which some might not agree with, but I do.
Would have been a great squad option to have though, especially with our lack of quality upfront.
I think it's best described as "he's found his level", which some might not agree with, but I do.
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I'm happy for Chicha. He deserves a prolonged period of success after having been pushed around and been a bench player for so long.
It's just annoying that his purple patch coincides with our goal drought.
It's just annoying that his purple patch coincides with our goal drought.
some very cheeky posts in here.
Bayern leverkrusen are a very decent side, not far behind the current utd. If he is good enough for them he would of been fine for us this year.
Bayern leverkrusen are a very decent side, not far behind the current utd. If he is good enough for them he would of been fine for us this year.
So happy for him!
This feels like seeing an ex you chucked and having pangs of doubt that they were actually hot after all 
LVG spot on like always..
they play a completely different system, so your conclusion makes little sense. Leverkusen play insane pressing and are a very direct team. Without the ball he has to hustle defenders all game long and with it he just has to get at the end of balls in the box. He doesn´t have do to anything, where he isn´t particularly good at, while his high energy and his ability to score from inside the box are used to his best. For United he´d have to play completely different and would suffer.
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excellent timing by Chich.I'd imagine if Rafael was a raging success at Lyon, his thread would be bumped left, right and centre as well
Exactly. Its not like we are spoilt with abundance of world-class strikers in our squad, so that Chicha was deemed as a surplus. Its not like Bundesliga is a tier or two below EPL. Glad to see Chicha doing well there. May it long continue.
He's clearly good enough for us... he was in the past (you know, when we actually scored goals and won things) and he still is now.
Anyway well done to him for banging them in for Bayer.
Anyway well done to him for banging them in for Bayer.
I'd argue that he's ultimately not good enough for United (a team aiming to compete on all fronts), unless he's playing the role he was prior to leaving - that of third choice striker/rotation player.
He is simply too limited to be a viable first choice option for a top club in my opinion.
Key word being ultimately. Right now we don't have better strikers than him.
But who would have foreseen that last Summer? The decision to let him go was the right one at the time. He had numerous chances here but never quite made the grade as a starter.
This has been one of the players LVG clearly misjudge.
Very happy for our Chicharito!
Very happy for our Chicharito!
We had already let go of van Persie and Falcao, it made a lot more sense to keep Chicha than to sell him. LvG put all his eggs in the Rooney shaped basket, and we are suffering at the moment as a result of it. It wasn't even as if we were paid an amount for him that made any sort of difference to us.
He´s in our hearts !He's...he's...he's not ours anymore
Hernandez finished both 2010/11 and 2012/13 as a starting centre forward at Manchester United, scoring 20 and 18 goals in each season respectively. Its not true to say he never made the grade as a starter. Sir Alex liked him, sadly his successors did not.
Wtf is that!He's...he's...he's not ours anymore
Wasn't he a sub in 12/13? Van Persie was #1.
Leverkusen play a completely different style than United I'm quite sure he would look a lot less great in van Gaal's system.
Leverkusen's style is completely different to United's, he's found a perfect team for himself who play the way he likes and can be the main man finally.
It wasn't that difficult to predict it. In his 4 full seasons here, he outperformed and outscored Rooney twice, despite that he played less minutes than Rooney in each of those seasons.
Add to that, Chicha is younger and isn't past it.
Could Chicha have been good for us? Of course he could, because he was good enough for us in two seasons when we won the league. Not his fault that LVG decided that he isn't based on 20 minutes of football.
We played 4-4-2 for the bulk of the season. Only against tough opponents did we play 4-5-1. Hernandez finished the season playing up top with Van Persie after Sir Alex decided Rooney wasn't going to play under him any longer. He started and scored in both the Swansea (H) and West Brom (A) games at the end of the season. He also partnered Van Persie for a decent whack of the winter while Rooney was not being used, which is when he bagged that late winner in the 4-3 win over Newcastle (H) and both he and Robin tore Wigan (A) apart.
If we had still been playing 442 or something like that he would have worked for us but theres no way in hell he fits into any LVG formation
He's your typical classic no9 who, once upon a time in the days of four-man midfields and strike partnerships, may have cut it at the highest level. But like others of his ilk - Saviola, Huntelaar are the first that come to mind - he's had to take a step down to carve out a productive career. That's not a slight on Leverkusen, who play some entertaining football, but a realistic assessment of where he is relative to Real and United's needs of a centre-forward/target-man.
Gomez was Bayern's best player in LVG's second season at Bayern, and he is a poacher too. He doesn't have a better technique than Hernandez, he influences the matches less than Hernandez. On the other side he is physically stronger and better on the air.
The sad fact is that we bought him out of nowhere, helped establish his reputation as a forward and sold him for no real profit.
Really? Who cares about the money. What did you expect? Him to go for 10m more? That would be less than half of what we wasted on Falcao. About a fifth of the money we lost on DiMaria and Falcao last year.
We have plenty of money.. So much that we dont care about being prudent with it any more,
He wasnt sold to a rival. He got a good move and its working out for him.
Not being a dick over his transfer fee was the least he deserved for being a really good player for us.
Did you mean to post in the Henning Berg thread?He's...he's...he's not ours anymore
Scored more goals than our entire team during a certain period. Starting for a team who is around our current level. Yet he's not good enough. Thank God we've had Rooney who is excellent at other stuff apart from scoring goals, which nowadays is a secondary requirement for a striker.
There could have been more competition for his signature and consequently more options for himself to choose form if we hadn't completely destroyed his reputation by the Moyes nightmare, followed by the loan to Real, which did nothing for either him or us.
Not exactly from nowhere considering that he was already a Mexican regular and scored twice in World Cup.
Anyway, he scored 59 goals for us and was an important part of the team who won the league and reached UCL final in 2011, and the team who won the league in 2013.
Moyes and Van Gaal (especially the later) decided that he is shit though. Which looks to have been a big mistake.
We bought him before the world cup started for a reason, to keep the competition low for his transfer fee and even agreed to a friendly for our trouble.
A good few of us could see it last summer. When a player delivers like he did in his first season for us, and then gets little opportunity to reprise that, it's short-sighted to ship him out based on the fact he hasn't delivered. He never had a run as poor as Rooney's, so where's the logic.
The way we play. We need our strikers in the build-up.
Put him in a team that doesn't need that. He can play for and score for anyone. He'd have been TERRIFYING for Arsenal, or Chelsea last season, or Barcelona. He absolutely is a world class poacher, and as such any team that could make use of a poacher, will get a return from him.
Put him in a team that doesn't need that. He can play for and score for anyone. He'd have been TERRIFYING for Arsenal, or Chelsea last season, or Barcelona. He absolutely is a world class poacher, and as such any team that could make use of a poacher, will get a return from him.