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Javier Hernandez | Sevilla player
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If only United had drawn a club from that weak league. Things would have been different in the Champions League.
If only United had drawn a club from that weak league. Things would have been different in the Champions League.
I think we're aspiring to be better than those teams, unfortunately the philosophy has happened. When Bayern sign him then I'll accept that maybe he was good enough for us.If only United had drawn a club from that weak league. Things would have been different in the Champions League.
I'm really happy that he gets starts now and can show his quality on a consistent basis.
It also looks like he is a really great fit for Leverkusen's fast paced playing style.
It also looks like he is a really great fit for Leverkusen's fast paced playing style.
Well we scored 2 against the 3rd best Bundesliga team and could only manage one against a newly promoted team today.If only United had drawn a club from that weak league. Things would have been different in the Champions League.
Wolfsburg were the only team we played in the group that we didn't struggle to score more than one goal against.
As depressing as it is to see him banging them in from our point of view, I wonder if he'd still be scoring a similar number for us. I doubt it. Bayer's style of play suits him, not ours.
He's scored 17 for Leverkusen. And 1 for Mexico.
Philosophy.
I think I'd rather we changed our style of play.
Do you seriously think it's good as it is?
That Welbeck feller has better link up play.
He's miles better than Rooney and Falcao so why not? Still a better no 9 than Martial as well, he got all the potential in the world tho.
No chance he'd be scoring like that for us. He'd get dragged down to the same level as all our other attackers.
He would look awful here. Our style of play wouldn't suit him at all. It feels as though we need an elite level player to look half decent going forward.
I know it sounds silly considering what we are going through...but he is a Bayer level player not an Elite club player. Basically he is doing exactly what I thought he would do if he went to a team below the elite clubs and played week in/ week out.
He should be here and in the team. He might not be top class but he scores goals.
Where did I suggest that
I just said that the way we currently play wouldn't allow him to give us the goals he's given Bayer. I have never once said I like the way we are playing right nowHe'd be getting a few goals like the Fellaini one today, clumsy finishing but who cares, i think with him in the side you'd have won a few of those 0-0s or at least scored and opened the game up a little more.
simple as that.
Martial is a better player, and is being forced to find scraps himself.
could you imagine Hernandez as a lone front man here? Would barely get a kick
Bayern had room for an ancient Claudio Pizarro on their team in recent years; I think Manchester United can find a space for Javier Hernandez. Hell, he was good enough for two SAF-led teams that won the Premiership.
Agreed, to an extent.
Martial is undoubtedly a better player and far better at creating chances, but he's not an instinctive finisher yet. We saw that with his scuffed shot after being gifted the ball. Hernandez would probably push defences deeper than Martial does, so would arguably create more space for our other players...
I'm mega-excited by Martial but he's not found his 'role' yet...
Question is, if he was still at United, would he be scoring the amount of goals hes scoring now? I can't see it.
He was unhappy and LVG didn't rate him so no, he would be getting trash minutes and probably have a goal or two.
No, but that's not the question really.
The question is "if he was still at United, would he be scoring more goals than our current crop of forwards?". I think the answer is yes - he'd damn sure be a better attacking substitution than Nick Powell.
People can argue all they want about whether Chicharito's good enough for a top club or not (ironic really considering he helped us win the league), but the whole point is that as of now, he is a better goal scorer than anyone in our squad. We're basically relying on Martial and some wing play to get us goals. Chicharito is easily a better goal scorer than Martial, and we could use him badly right now. I understood why we sold him, he wanted to leave to get playing time, and his confidence just wasn't there anymore. But we absolutely should have bought a replacement then. LVG's ridiculous transfer window where he got rid of so many players, and failed to replace them is seriously costing us right now. We could even use RVP right now, that's how desperate we are.
Even if he started every game under Van Gaal, I don't think he'd have the same amount of goals he's got now. Not because of him, but because we seem to create little chances under Van Gaal and play a style Javier wouldn't strive under, in my opinion.
Exactly. Even Falcao would be a better attacking substitution than Nick Powell.
Well that's true. And so would RVP. And even Falcao.
But we all complained about these lads when they were misfiring and to be fair, most had no objections when they were shipped out. We're light up top and we should have added to the squad. But Hernandez was far from impressive over his last year with us, so whether he's hit a purple patch or the Leverkusen system just suits him, there's no point in pretending he'd be great for us now. He wasn't before he left and he wouldn't be now. And yes, that is, in part, because of LVG and the system we play.
Why exactly was he sent away?
He didn't look awful in his first season.
Leverkusen won 5-1 today against a side which hadn't been defeated for three months.
I wish he was here to be awful for us.
He was class that season. Under LVG however, he'd be pointless. I think he's a good player but under these conditions we play in, he would struggle imo.
He didn't look awful in his first season.
Leverkusen won 5-1 today against a side which hadn't been defeated for three months.
I wish he was here to be awful for us.
Hernandez hardly had any opportunity to be impressive - how on earth can anyone judge him based on a handful of appearances when he wasn't able to develop any confidence or momentum.
how many goals has united as a whole scored for comparison?
Maybe not under LVG, I'll grant you that. But at United Hernandez had ample opportunity to impress and rarely did. Under Ferguson he grabbed some vital goals and proved himself a great finisher. After that, we weren't creating nearly as many chances and he was asked to do more than just finish chances and he often looked completely out of his depth. I'd have actually liked us to hold on to him, but there weren't too many on here crying when he left for Leverkusen.
likes scoring goals, doesn't like passing backwards
21 in the league, 38 in all competitions.
He's scored in every team he's been in no matter how they've played. His ratio has been better than 1 in 2 everywhere. I think it's pretty much nailed on that we'd be scoring more with him upfront, Martial and Depay to the sides and Mata behind him even in the current system.
Too many just accept blindly what they are 'told'.
How many also said OGS was only any good as a sub - not based on their own conclusions, that's for sure. And then when he finally got his chance, he replaced Beckham on the right wing, and he and Ruud were the best strike partnership in terms of goals scored, since the 60s. Do people really believe that by some miracle he suddenly became good enough? He was always good enough.
Hernandez probably isn't the complete player. I'd happily take just the goal-scoring side of him.
I remember finding it weird that LvG sent a very hard-working and mobile striker like Hernandez away, considering he was such a fan of Ivica Olic at Bayern München. I wonder what changed in van Gaal's evaluation.