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Love his confidence going forward. Great play for Nani's goal.
True it could be Rio and Vidic rotating, who saw that comingPersonally I always knew he was this good. He was very unfairly scapegoated at times last season, and particularly after the City game this season.
He's a class centre half, always had the ability, just needed to show it consistently. Has been superb this season, and as has been said, has stepped in for the best centre half in the country and hasn't looked out of place.
Another thing too, plenty thought Smalling and Jones were going to be our centreback pairing for years to come, they're going to have to play superbly well to dislodge Evans. I'd suggest when everyone is fit and well it's going to be very hard to leave Evans out.
Vidic is number 1 if he comes back anything like the player he was. I'd put Rio ahead of Evans due to the understanding he has with Vidic, but on form Evans probably deserves to play ahead of Rio. Its a tough oneTrue it could be Rio and Vidic rotating, who saw that coming
Yeah I didn't suggest in my post that Evans would be first choice or anything, Vidic when fit is the number 1 by quite a way, Evans on current form gives Fergie a difficult decision to make. Smalling and Jones are now behind him in the pecking order, and at worst Evans is 3rd choice. Rio will be looking over his shoulder when everyone is fit.Vidic is number 1 if he comes back anything like the player he was. I'd put Rio ahead of Evans due to the understanding he has with Vidic, but on form Evans probably deserves to play ahead of Rio. Its a tough one
I think realisticly Rio and Vidic will play whenever fit, but Rio has fitness issues and Vidic is heading into his 30's on the back of a serious injury, I wouldn't be shocked if Evans plays more matches than any of our defenders next seasonVidic is number 1 if he comes back anything like the player he was. I'd put Rio ahead of Evans due to the understanding he has with Vidic, but on form Evans probably deserves to play ahead of Rio. Its a tough one
It's strange. Jones somehow 'looked' better out there, but it was Evans who actually was doing the better defending. Jones just has that natural look to him whereas Evans has that uncoordinated look.
It sounded weird but I do agree with him.
Jones oozes class, even if he's not doing anything. Evans looks awkward from time to time.
There was nothing awkward or uncoordinated about Evans' performance yesterday, nor did Jones ooze class in comparison. And that's no dig at Phil, he was good and will no doubt be a beast of a player. I call preconceived notions, Evans had a mediocre 10/11 while Jones is the exciting new kid on the block. Chances are the latter's gonna hit a rough patch at some stage too, but will it change the fact that he's a talented player?
From the Jones thread back in August. Wouldn't be surprised to have the exact opposite argument with these lads next season if Jones plays in the Olympics and needs a bit of time to shake of his jadedness. The lesson here, kids, is to not mix up ability, potential and form.I think they're just talking about their technique and stance. Some players just look classier on the ball. Smalling does, Jones does. Evans doesn't, but it has no bearing whatsoever on him as a player, just the way he looks.
Smalling and Evans is the future, IMO. Jones has a different role to playEvans, Smalling and Jones. We could be sorted out in central defence for almost the next 10 years. Glad we stuck with him, better than Pique.
That's what I thought too. But after seeing Jones play in various positions, I'm not so sure. Maybe that natural energy is best used for surging runs from defence, as we've seen Rio and Smalling do from time to time. It takes the opposing players by surprise, thus making the runs more effective. I'm not sure it will look as good if he tries it from midfield. As for the right back position, Rafael is making a very strong case for himself.Smalling and Evans is the future, IMO. Jones has a different role to play
yepBiggest compliment you can give him is that we're not missing Vidic.
You mean last season? he had only played a few seasons for us before this one and his first 2 was very good.He was below par the past few seasons, but he's had a hell of a year. He's got his confidence and knows he has competition for his spot, yet has held it down solidly.
Smalling, despite being fantastic, can't get a game either. That's a testament to Rio's fitness this season, as well.
Great awareness and for that first time pass, i am becoming sorrier by the day he is not English!Cheeky assist for Nani's goal as well. So coolly done.
Who actually looks comfortable though when strong, pacy players like that run at them? There are not many, Victor Moses has looked a handful for any defender whenever i have seen him.He has massively improved this season and looks class when teams aren't pressing us high up the pitch. When players run at him he still looks vulnerable as Moses showed during the Wigan game.
He's 24.Who actually looks comfortable though when strong, pacy players like that run at them? There are not many, Victor Moses has looked a handful for any defender whenever i have seen him.
If he could lift his head up occasionally and start making the most of the positions he gets in, he could become a really good player in my view. Bit selfish and wasteful atm, but only 21 and time to learn.
Tbf though, most rival fans will look for negatives rather than positives regarding our young players. Let's face it there were many on here who wrote him off too early, i admit i was far from convinced myself this time last year!I am having a raging argument about how well he has come on the past two seasons, one person compared him to Andre Santos. Jonny is one of our own, will never be fully appreciated outside of OT.
That bit was still about Moses Liam, should have clarified that better reading back. I know Evans is 24!He's 24.
If Evans carries on improving, then he will be in and it will be the rest fighting for a spot next to him.Which then begs the question, when Vidic is back in, will his development stall? Will he go backwards? I've noticed his ball skills have improved a lot when playing with Ferdinand, so perhaps he could take over from him next season? Obviously not every game, but those games which Rio needs resting in (which will become more frequent) Evans could perhaps fill the void.
He's more than a luxury player. I know he's getting older and has had his fitness worries, but he's been fine lately and when Vidic and him are available, they should be first choice for us without any shadow of a doubt.I think Evans and vidic will be first choice. Ferdinand is a great player, but age and fitness mean for me he shouldnt be guaranteed first choice anymore - a luxury player if ever there was one.
Luxury player isn't an insult - almost the opposite in fact. I just think with 3 quality CBs coming through plus Vidic, Rio is the one who needs to make way to not hinder their development.He's more than a luxury player. I know he's getting older and has had his fitness worries, but he's been fine lately and when Vidic and him are available, they should be first choice for us without any shadow of a doubt.
Oh yeah, I should've read your post better. I don't think it's an absurd suggestion to think he could be partnering Vidic next season, with Rio coming into the team now and again. We play enough games a season for him to have 20 games and Evans still getting 40. It's all about him carrying his form into next season.That bit was still about Moses Liam, should have clarified that better reading back. I know Evans is 24!
If Evans carries on improving, then he will be in and it will be the rest fighting for a spot next to him.
I completely disagree. With Rio and Vidic, we've got a partnership that we know will be successful. For me, it would be suicidal for Fergie to simply break up their quality partnership in what could be it's last couple of years.Luxury player isn't an insult - almost the opposite in fact. I just think with 3 quality CBs coming through plus Vidic, Rio is the one who needs to make way to not hinder their development.
Yes, but Ferdinand has been equally as good and we know how well he plays with Vidic, who should be the first name on the teamsheet when he's back fit.Evans should play all games for which he is fit he has been amazing this season.
Three or four months ago, you wouldn't have had too much argument from the Caf but it's a different world now. Rio has made a superb recovery after a ropey early season but Jonny is a different player than he's been at any stage in his career. More physicality, great on the ball, oozing confidence. Bar Kompany maybe, I wouldn't swap him for another centre half in the division. Alex will have a decision to make.Yes, but Ferdinand has been equally as good and we know how well he plays with Vidic, who should be the first name on the teamsheet when he's back fit.
He's undoubtedly improved, but I really don't see what he's done that's been any better than Rio if I'm being honest. Both have been on par with each other.Three or four months ago, you wouldn't have had too much argument from the Caf but it's a different world now. Rio has made a superb recovery after a ropey early season but Jonny is a different player than he's been at any stage in his career. More physicality, great on the ball, oozing confidence. Bar Kompany maybe, I wouldn't swap him for another centre half in the division. Alex will have a decision to make.