Except hes also said they are not good enough
Jose saving his skin - yet again.. (Manager v Players blame game)
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This.
At the end of the day it's up to him to lead. If can't get the tune out his players for whatever reason-- it's time to go!
Why can a team like Bayern Munchen constantly win the german league and be in or near the CL finals working on a much smaller budget than us? I would argue that they spend their money more wisely, have a better structure in place and work much harder on the football aspect of the club while we seem to be more focused on the commercial side. The decline since 2011-13 is there for all to see and must be caused in a big way by the management of the club as a whole.
I'm not saying you are but a few posters are jumping from thread to thread altering the goalposts as they go.
If we are heavy favourites to beat the 5th best side in Spain then surely that's progress? But then they'll enter another thread telling us about how terrible we are going forward and how the league table is a lie in terms of us against Liverpool / Spurs.
If we are so bad going forward then why were we favoured v Sevilla? If we do need attacking coaches then why is a quarter final CL seen as the minimum?
The logic is skewed but maybe that's because there's so many threads framed a little differently discussing the same fecking thing.
I don't know. You seem to think you're smart enough to manage our club. Why don't you figure it out? It's basic English, after all.
I love the fact that he came out and said that he was training them for 3 days to move the ball quicker etc.
Well its either you've only started training them 3 days ago.
Or
You've been training them the whole fecking time and they still don't do what you want.
They control the german market and they managed that by looking like the better organized club in Germany which attracts the best german players. On top of that they have enough money to compete with most clubs salary wise. The british market is a lot more broken, English players are not as good as their german equivalents and as a group they don't really have a favorite club to join.
I don’t think Jose is working with ‘duds’ but then again we are 2nd. I think that’s a fair return with the players/squad that we have
I do too which is why Mourinho's comments after the match were so baffling.
Yeah I agree. With the potential for more. Both parties have to improve.
Bayern gets dibs on every good German player they want from their league. Imagine if we could get Kane for pennies. That's whats happening in Bundesliga and hence they don't spend huge amount on players. Goretzka, Lewandowski, Hummels, Gotze, Neuer ect.. were all got for pennies from their opponent clubs. Manutd don't have this advantage as all the PL teams are loaded with cash. We need to pay extra to secure players as everyone knows we're stinking rich. On top of this, the mistakes we've committed since the appointment of Moyes followed by LVG and the players they have purchased has set us several years in decline.
Tell this to Jose.
It's amazing. Last week anybody that moaned about the football would have been asked what's your problem we are second and in the quarters of the FA Cup. Now Jose has said the squad is not good enough and the people who were decrying people for moaning last week are now going on about how spineless the squad is. It's quite sad really.
Apparently now it just proves how exceptional Jose is because he can work wonders with a squad that he has only been able to spend a messily £300m on. I mean can you imagine where Spurs, Liverpool or Chelsea would be if they'd only had £300m to spend on players.
It is difficult, what's your point? Actions speak louder than words and he doesn't come across as someone who is content.
I have no confidence in both manager and players.
It's the style of football 90% of the people are complaining about. Why is that so hard to understand. There's no bloody joy there; both from the fans and, it seems, from the players. That's not to say I'm absolving the players of all blame and haven't got much of an issue with Jose coming out yesterday and having a go at them, but he's been here for 2 seasons now and we don't look like a "team". Not even close sometimes.
That's the issue. Not so much where we are in the league.
How did you guys tolerate his whiny ass?
Precisely.
But we still have similar. It's now "shut up, we're progressing!"
Thats like buying a bungalow and complaining about the lack of stairs.....a bit dumb!
How precisely did he save his skin ? Was he going to get sacked if he didn't win yesterday ? What am I missing ?
...what?
We didn't buy the bungalow though Woodward brought it for us.
Agree with OP on everything. Disliked Mourinho when he was not United manager, dislike him even more now. We're just a cup team now if we are lucky, can see City dominate the league and with Liverpool's rapid improvement, 2nd place will be a battle from next season as well. Not sure what the rush was with offering him an extension on his contract. Going to be very expensive to get rid of him when we eventually do, assuming his clauses include qualifying for the champions league.
On results, Jose deserved a third season IMO but due to the very acidic and combative nature of his man-management, we risk losing many players this summer (outside of the list of players who I would like to see go) and I don't trust in his ability to better what he has achieved this year, due to it already looking like he's lost the trust of much of the squad and the performances seem to be getting worse than better. Hence I think its an almighty risk to persist with him as the fall-out could be ten times worse than what we have already seen this week.
Results wise, you'd have to be a spoilt brat to complain. 2nd in the league etc is more than good enough for a second season.
Not sure if serious. The German league is a one horse race where one club has a strangle hold of siphoning away the best German talent from their competitors. Also, Bayern have the same record as us in the CL over the past decade (3 appearances, 1 win).
He is trying to protect his own reputation. Saying it is not his fault saying his players were not playing how he told him to play.
He did say be near the final. And in the last five years or so their record of advancing to the further stages of the competition has been far superior to our own.
Are you fkng stupid? Where did I imply I was interested in running our club?
In terms of God given rights, playing good football is in our own hands. It's what the players practice and train for through the year. Or is that too much for you to comprehend?
He is already making excuses. His words don't show any conviction that he genuinely believes he can overtake City. All teams will spend. By his logic, we will never be able to overcome City unless they have a disaster.
Not what Jose said. Not sure who, on here, is saying that, too.
Yeah I saw that. As if there's a trophy for making the quarters or semis.
People have been accusing our players of being mentally weak, that may be so, but how does it explain Mourinho's signings. One is already been shunted out of the club, while Pogba, Sanchez and Lindelof were doing a great job tearing apart Brighton yesterday. So how many more hundreds of millions do we give to Mourinho to buy such quality players so he can have them on the bench.
Chelsea have spent close to 250M this season. Not like there woking on pennies. Spurs and Liverpool fans do not have the expectations of our fans. None of their teams are going to finish above us and still happy to keep their managers. Also none of their rivals are doing better than them and hence fans are contempt. I think City winning it in style is throwing us off this much. If City was in 2nd and we in 3rd or 4th , this would've not been such a talking point.
Everyone understands that. I would definitely want us playing better , Can't see Jose seeing otherwise too. The only reason i could think off is that we have players who are in different pages. 5 seasons of decline isn't something that can be taken so lightly. At this point where games are coming thick and fast, the only thing that matters are the results. We're getting most of the results right, means Jose is definitely doing something right. We need to give him at least a season more to see what he can do. Sacking him now after finishing second sets a bad precedence for any manager out there.
Truth of the matter is had Jose simply been doing a good job we wouldn't have such a divided fanbase like this with split opinions on him. I doubt you'd see our rivals fans split over opinions regarding their manager beside Arsenal and they're struggling.
When there is a split opinions among fans about their managers it usually means said manager isn't exactly doing a good job otherwise there wouldn't be any outrages from vast splits of fans in the first place.
And what normally happens is that the manager eventually get replaced and everyone move on or the board stick with such divisive figure and they see things turn for the worse, with the obvious example being Arsene Wenger at Arsenal.
I've seen it with Moyes and Van Gaal. We had these ridiculous arguments to justify why they're supposedly doing a good job and only players letting them down until reality finally dawn on even the most apologetic ones.
And most arguments being used now to justify Mourinho averageness are mostly a bunch of recycled ones used for both Moyes and Van Gaal, "players are shit", "we're miles behind x, y, z teams", "we need 6-7 players", "we need a clearout" etc have become all way too familiar but eventually the real issues get found out. Unfortunately we just even been able to find the right appointment to lead us and that's where I blame Woodwards(except for Moyes).
Same old recycled tripe from some people, just different days(different managers).
When there is a split opinions among fans about their managers it usually means said manager isn't exactly doing a good job otherwise there wouldn't be any outrages from vast splits of fans in the first place.
And what normally happens is that the manager eventually get replaced and everyone move on or the board stick with such divisive figure and they see things turn for the worse, with the obvious example being Arsene Wenger at Arsenal.
I've seen it with Moyes and Van Gaal. We had these ridiculous arguments to justify why they're supposedly doing a good job and only players letting them down until reality finally dawn on even the most apologetic ones.
And most arguments being used now to justify Mourinho averageness are mostly a bunch of recycled ones used for both Moyes and Van Gaal, "players are shit", "we're miles behind x, y, z teams", "we need 6-7 players", "we need a clearout" etc have become all way too familiar but eventually the real issues get found out. Unfortunately we just even been able to find the right appointment to lead us and that's where I blame Woodwards(except for Moyes).
Same old recycled tripe from some people, just different days(different managers).
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I generally agree.
There isn't a trophy but clearly we need to be playing considerably better to even reach the stages that Bayern have been managing these last few seasons.
Why? Because players who earn 100k per week can't stand the pressure? Is his fault that shaw is overweight? Is his fault that some players don't show desire?Some of Jose defendersMust be paid to write this genius stuff.
This jose hate is too much these days
Those would fall under manager's responsibilities.
And I have a feeling Bayern are going to muster more than 1 goal and 4 shots on target against Sevilla.
And yet their results are no better than ours over the past decade. 1 win 2 losses.
Just picked the first one I saw.
Constantly being in the best final 4 to 8 teams in the CL year after year must say something about the strenght of that team. And they do that in style by playing attacking football every year.
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