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Jose saving his skin - yet again.. (Manager v Players blame game)
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@Regalia Mourinho had most people on his side just a week ago when he pulled that win over Liverpool. The tide turned when we went out to Sevilla rarely making an attack. And since then Mourinho has been belittling the club and throwing the players under the bus.The toxic nature surrounding everything is all on him right now.
He should have stayed at one of the City Gate Suites off Cheetham Hill Road. I've just been there on a stag weekend. Lovely place.
Where? I know that this is a slur that is thrown at anybody that dares say a word against Jose but I have seen no sign of anybody being Pro Pep in this thread.
It was a slur that was thrown at me the other day but couldn't be further from the truth. I mean Feck City and everybody to do with them.
Secondly bringing up the Special Olympics as though it is an insult is low and is something that shouldn't be tolerated
Time to stop being so precious about the player's feelings. If they can't respond positively to some criticism then maybe they don't belong here.
Mourinho - "if the clubs are in a better situation than us stop investing and we do invest, we can be side to side. If they keep investing the same or more than us, it’s difficult. It’s as simple as that. It’s difficult."
Yeah, really driven to see us overcome City, as can be seen from the above quote from just 2 days back.
What a fool Fergie was all those years ago saying he will knock Liverpool off the fecking perch. He didn't know that what Mou said is the correct way to show your commitment to becoming the best.
I noted the Special Olympics comment too. Cannot believe anyone would post that shite on here.
He can criticize players all he wants behind close doors and during matches. When he does it during press conferences he is just trying to save his own skin and protect his own reputation. And the players will realize that.
People here are telling that Mou should have done better with the resources available. He is finishing his second season with us and we did nothing of note in CL or EPL. Moreover, most of the players that he has bought are not doing well. So, supporters have each and every right to doubt him. Being knocked out by Sevilla without even putting a proper fight shows that we are not doing well in Europe either. The aim is to win EPL and do really well in CL. If we do not really challenge for the Prem next season, he should leave imo.
He believes in his own methods, and overall his record demands that respect. It's like when he was talking about the win against the Scousers, when he said we controlled the game without the ball. If the players don't believe in his methods, it will all crumble. I think he's holding the ship together by being strong/arrogant about his MO. I know if was following someone, in charge, then I'd prefer someone who had 100% confidence in his methods, there's nothing wrong with that per se. We don't know what he's like behind closed doors. I suspect he's more forgiving that we give him credit for.
Why do you place us above Sevilla? Do you realise how we look to the rest of Europe yet Sevilla beats us and its this huge embarrassment?
Jose says there are a few Sevilla players that'll get in our side, the Caf melts down.
They then log into the Pereira thread to tell us why this Valencia sub is so amazing that it'll only be down to Jose's inadequacies if he doesn't walk into our side to become first choice.
Our club needs a clear out and it could take another 2/3 years if were lucky.
To win the EPl we need to become the best side in Europe over the next 4 months. Nobody can transform us that quickly.
Wasn't that a swap deal for a player most would have traded for free?
This encapsulates my stance. I'm still fine with him here but he can certainly get more out of this squad.
I know.
Can't see Man Utd sacking Jose, he is the only manager to ever to stop Guardiola retaining a league title
His recent press conferences does not seem like a man fully confident in his own methods.
Well I place us above them because we are 2nd in EPL and they are 5th in La Liga, because we have one of the most expensive squads in the world, and presumably one of the best managers around. Alsowe were favourites in that tie. Two seasons with Jose and we are still really really far from challenging for top honours. I dont believe that it takes 20 new players and 4 seasons to win the Prem. But I agree to disagree.
Not this nonsense again.
Why would he buy a house in the Manchester area when he already owns one in London where his family are settled? Have you seen where he's staying at? He basically has his own floor in the Lowry hotel where he gets all his food cooked for him etc. All the coaching staff are there too yet the Mourinho out brigade will have you believe his staying in some shite travelodge room with his bags already packed and ready to go.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ws/lowry-hotel-salford-jose-mourinho-14120280
So, how come we were so shit before? 1 trophy in three years? Highest place in the league being 4th?
Indeed. It is this inconsistency of selection and reactivity to the opposition. Expecting miracles after two days of training is bizarre
Wasn't he also a Mourinho signing and player of the year in Germany before joining us?
Do you even read this place?
Tons of folk have been saying we've been sleepwalking for months, only to be told 'shut up, we're winning' So that's utter bollocks.
Yes and no.
More assists than any player the season before we signed him then or did I make that up in my head as well?
I'm sure there was some big thing he did that made him special before we signed him.I'd like to see him take responsibility for the performances, he seems to just take a swipe at players as soon as questions are asked of him. I'd also like him to answer questions on training and tactics. We all know how City, Spurs, Arsenal, Scousers play. How has a journalist not asked Jose what sort of tactics we employ ? What are you doing to get the best out of these players ? Because I don't see a lot of improvements and I'd like to see some accountability
The slightest thing which indicates to a player there's a chance you'll outlast the manager at the club weakens the manager's position. Rightly or wrongly and no matter how pathetic it is to mention his stay at a hotel does give the impression (even on here with many) that he won't be living in a hotel in 3-4 years.....room service should not come above giving all indications you're here to stay for the long haul..even if....you ain't!Not this nonsense again.
Why would he buy a house in the Manchester area when he already owns one in London where his family are settled? Have you seen where he's staying at? He basically has his own floor in the Lowry hotel where he gets all his food cooked for him etc. All the coaching staff are there too yet the Mourinho out brigade will have you believe his staying in some shite travelodge room with his bags already packed and ready to go.
Yes, nothing of note. A European trophy and a league cup. 2nd in the league now, despite the other sides in the top 4 having more talent. We know it’s not good enough, he knows it’s not good enough, but he needs time to properly build a squad in his image.
I realize there is a *vocal* group on this forum who live in a fantasyland with leprechauns, rainbows and herds of unicorns where Utd win EPL, CL and the FA cup every year. It’s not happening. We play in the most competitive league in the world.
Give the man some time. Instead of assuming the worst and blaming him for everything (clearly he was at fault for Pogba’s misplaced passes v Sevilla!) support him and the players who clearly support him and ARE performing like Lukaku and Matic, Lingard and Rashford.
He had a good season but was never player of the year. He won an award given out by a paper/magazine for players' player of the year. Not the same thing.More assists than any player the season before we signed him then or did I make that up in my head as well?
I have to admit I was not excited when Mourinho was brought in and mainly because I like high pressing attacking football and bringing the game to the opponent. If you look at the best sides in modern time they more or less play that kind of football and combine that with good attacking fullbacks and wingers and then you are able to open up tight defences. But I agree with Mourinho that he hardly inherited a group of world class players. I feel this decline started shortly after the 2010/11 title win even though we won agian in 2012/2013(Van Persie) and mainly because we let the spine of the team grow to old together and when age caught up with them we had a massive problem.
Those players that have their names in bold letter are those I would call high class players at that time. If you compare the teams of this season and last season to the one in 2009 I think it´s clear to see that Mourinho is right when stating we need better players. How many of the current squad would get into the 2009 or 2013 team?????? Is the simple truth that we have let our standards slip and that is the reason for the current status? Is it right when looking at the 2015-2016 squad that Mourinho inherited that only De Gea and Carrick despite his age were players of the highest standard?
2009 Van der Sar
Neville- Rio- Vidic- Evra Here Neville is coming to the end of his career as by his own admission
Valencia - Carrick- Scholes- Giggs
Berbatov Rooney
Subs: Park,Hargreaves,Fletcher,Rafael,Evans,Nani,Owen
2013 and last Ferguson team and getting to be an old/tired team:
De Gea
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Valencia Fletcher Carrick Giggs Vidic,Giggs,Scholes all getting closer to the end and Rio/Evra also. Here Rooney also has the spat with Fergie and he should have been sold then.
Van Persie Rooney
Subs: Hernandez,Nani,Welbeck,Scholes,Smalling,Jones,Evans
2015/16 the season before Mourinho came:
De Gea
Valencia Smalling Blind Shaw
Mata Carrick Herrera Depay In my mind only 2 players fit into the top tier of players here
Rooney Martial
Subs: Jones,Darmian,Rojo,Fellaini,Young,Lingard,Rashford
2017/18 team:
De Gea
Valencia Bailly Smalling Young Today´s team has 4 in the highest bracket in my estimate but there are some there that could/should be capable of that in Martial,Rashford,Sanches,Pogba
Mata McTominay Matic Pogba Sanches
Lukaku
Subs: Martial,Rashford,Lingard,Fellaini,Herrera,Carrick,Shaw,Rojo,Blind,Darmian,Lindelof,Jones
Those players that have their names in bold letter are those I would call high class players at that time. If you compare the teams of this season and last season to the one in 2009 I think it´s clear to see that Mourinho is right when stating we need better players. How many of the current squad would get into the 2009 or 2013 team?????? Is the simple truth that we have let our standards slip and that is the reason for the current status? Is it right when looking at the 2015-2016 squad that Mourinho inherited that only De Gea and Carrick despite his age were players of the highest standard?
2009 Van der Sar
Neville- Rio- Vidic- Evra Here Neville is coming to the end of his career as by his own admission
Valencia - Carrick- Scholes- Giggs
Berbatov Rooney
Subs: Park,Hargreaves,Fletcher,Rafael,Evans,Nani,Owen
2013 and last Ferguson team and getting to be an old/tired team:
De Gea
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Valencia Fletcher Carrick Giggs Vidic,Giggs,Scholes all getting closer to the end and Rio/Evra also. Here Rooney also has the spat with Fergie and he should have been sold then.
Van Persie Rooney
Subs: Hernandez,Nani,Welbeck,Scholes,Smalling,Jones,Evans
2015/16 the season before Mourinho came:
De Gea
Valencia Smalling Blind Shaw
Mata Carrick Herrera Depay In my mind only 2 players fit into the top tier of players here
Rooney Martial
Subs: Jones,Darmian,Rojo,Fellaini,Young,Lingard,Rashford
2017/18 team:
De Gea
Valencia Bailly Smalling Young Today´s team has 4 in the highest bracket in my estimate but there are some there that could/should be capable of that in Martial,Rashford,Sanches,Pogba
Mata McTominay Matic Pogba Sanches
Lukaku
Subs: Martial,Rashford,Lingard,Fellaini,Herrera,Carrick,Shaw,Rojo,Blind,Darmian,Lindelof,Jones
I thought we passed this topic already. Mourinho himself killed it earlier. Let's not recycle useless argument for the sake of it.
And if it wasn't for Mourinho's post match comments we would have a ton of "shut up, we're winning" type posts from many here.
I just don't see how it weakens his position. The players stay at the Lowry too so they will know how nice that hotel is and can see why Mourinho prefers staying there rather than buying a place or renting somewhere. He's basically staying in an apartment there.
I'm a Jose loyalist on here but he is the one who buys the players and he has had less hits in that respect whilst at United than perhaps whilst at his other clubs. Very strange for him he's done better with the young lads at the club than the A listers brought in.....He needs to up his game as much as any player at the club. He's more than capable.
Don't give a feck either way who the manager is at the minute, but it's equally gullible to be swept along by a media-led narrative that he's this dinosaur capable of only playing dour football. Does he look like he's going to piss the league anytime soon? No. Are we a shambles who only play shite, will win nowt and have a mid-table squad under him? Also no.
Our problems aren't half as bad as is being made out. He's allowed to criticise players to get a reaction, didn't say they all needed selling, just they weren't sharp or committing themselves enough. Lukewarm performance against a defensive side, in the snow, in a cup competition in a world cup year and for you that's evidence the players have turned? No, stop crying, take a step back and you'll see it's bollocks.
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We are debating it on here...it's been the talk in the media at various times....If you have 2 options and 1 courts that reaction and coverage...the other doesn't...don't bloody choose one that does! It's a simple choice. You don't believe a man who buys a house vs one who lives out of a hotel gives any indication of his long term intentions? Really thats odd.
100% agree. Think we should get rid at the end of the season.
Someone not following football looks at these threads, he'd be thinking we're fighting relegation battle. We've beaten every top team this season bar one above us with a game in hand against them. Chill out people, we're doing quite good!!
Agree with you and I think we have some really promising young players in Tuanzebe,Mensah,Chong,O´Connor,Garner,Gomes and Greenwood and hopefully they will get chances in the coming seasons. But Mourinho hardly got a lot of A list players to start with.
Tell Mourinho that.
To be fair on Jose, he has deflected any negative headlines about the players and placed the spotlight on himself.
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