Jose saving his skin - yet again.. (Manager v Players blame game)

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I honestly can't believe that we have the most gullible fans on the planet it seems.

So now we're meant to believe that mister Mourinho the paragon of attacking virtue has been teaching them attacking football all week and the players aren't buying it?

What about the rest of the season when they were following your instructions to a tee, no hint of any disharmony and the football was still shockingly poor.

I think we all know the squad in terms of quality and mentality isn't quite perfect but mate you brought Pogba and Mkhi and Lindelof - probably the three biggest fannies at the club right now as well as splurging on Sanchez who isn't mentally looking like iron man either under your management.

So we are meant to sell everything and trust you of all people to rebuild it?

The players look depressed under his management. He has sucked out the joy in their game. Shaw and Martial are a classic case in point of Mourinho bullying young players who even when they try - he'll paint a false narrative of how they play and fans buy it hook line and sinker time and time again. Martial was one of the few attacking players who was trying to be enterprising and yes he was rusty but being shoved around and benched after coming into great form will do that to a young player and mess with their head.

Shaw who admittedly is a fat blob, was being praised for training hard again - comes back into side and then gets dropped for no reason only to get picked yesterday - was decent and nowhere near as bad as some - and Jose makes it out like he's had a Moreno .. classic Jose hatchet job against a player he's had an agenda against since his Chelsea days. FWIW Shaw criticism by lots of managers so why not let him go - why hold on to him just so you can bully him for sport.

Give these guys a new manager with half the narcissism, an attacking methodology and I swear to you.. half the team if not more will respond to it and performances will pick up. They don't want to play for him - simple as that and successful teams before us have also done the same. They rejected him. Imagine Madrid fans backing Jose over what eventually become multiple Champions league winning squad. Not saying we're that good but this squad has enough quality to possibly win a league and at least play helluva lot more entertaining than what we've been subjected to under him.

Players are not blameless here but for me the buck stays with the manager. He's desperately trying to save his reputation and his ego can't take recent criticism of his management and he's trying to pin it all on a very mentally flawed squad. Yes we have some childish players but are they the sort of lads who come across like egotistical cnuts who would refuse to put in a graft under any manager? They have never cared about the club? Not really they just seem your average young lads who want to play good football, enjoy themselves and someone like Klopp would have them eating out of his hand. They don't want to be associated with this football and his weird and ad hoc selection policies must drive them mad.

Mourinho has to go first and foremost before we also bin some of the players. Right decision for all parties. He's toxic and all that cringeworthy schmoozing he was doing on the touch line yesterday doesn't hide the fact that this is no longer a manager you trust with clubs who are expected to play more proactive football and with younger players because his ego takes precedence over their development.
 
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They didn’t look depressed up until before the Sevilla game and within 3 days they look depressed again? Jesus. How fickle some of you are.
 

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He isnt here for the long term....only trophies. Some people were very excited that he was going to build a dynasty with us but i dont see it. Hes just throwing money around looking for quick fixes.
 

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Think I missed the fun. What happened today with Jose? I just saw highlights of the 2-0 and we were hit and miss like normal
 

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Spot on, this has all the hallmarks of a Mourinho meltdown and everybody is in the firing line, i do believe some of these players need a kick up the ass but the way he's gone about himseld recently is just ridiculous and this is why people didn't want him, just brings toxicness everywhere he goes, it's annoying cause me, and i'm sure a lot of other people, were hoping he'd turned a new leaf and he'd leave all this behind in managing our club, but he hasn't, it's the same old and if history repeats itself again the players won't have it and they'll all turn on him. I certainly don't buy the part about him teaching attacking football all this time but the players just haven't bothered for the majority of the season, why wouldn't he of mentiones it before. All is certainly not rosy that's for sure and there's more to come yet I feel.

What does worry me is that it's obvious what he's doing, he's done it before, there's historical evidence at nearly every club he's been at and yet some people are falling for it and refusing to see the truth out of some misguided support I feel
 

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The OP is right though. This is some of the worst man management I have ever seen. A scorched earth policy. He needs to be gone and it needs to happen soon.
 

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But the joke will be on us when his diehard supporters on here receive Xmas party invites and we don’t.

For what’s it worth, this “I’m with Jose” line that’s organically appeared in many posts tonight, might be the most try-hard, cringeworthy shit I’ve ever read.
 

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But the joke will be on us when his diehard supporters on here receive Xmas party invites and we don’t.
Jose would've dropped Jesus for Methuselah and demoted Mary.
 

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Think I missed the fun. What happened today with Jose? I just saw highlights of the 2-0 and we were hit and miss like normal
Exactly it was a typical performance under Jose.. one which would normally be overlooked as a job done and how we put them away effeciently but because Jose has made it out like it was one of the worst performances of the season - the top red sheep have responded accordingly
 

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He's always been all about self preservation. That is why I've always been amazed when some here say he spouts the shit he does to take the focus away from the players and onto himself.

Anyways, I don't understand his end game here. He is smart enough to know that if he falls out with half the team, he will be the one that gets the boot. No club can afford to replace half the team. Surely he's not stupid enough to think this is some unique scenario? The smart man that he is, he knows that he's done it before and got sacked. So which club does he think he's off to?
 

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He's always been all about self preservation. That is why I've always been amazed when some here say he spouts the shit he does to take the focus away from the players and onto himself.

Anyways, I don't understand his end game here. He is smart enough to know that if he falls out with half the team, he will be the one that gets the boot. No club can afford to replace half the team. Surely he's not stupid enough to think this is some unique scenario? The smart man that he is, he knows that he's done it before and got sacked. So which club does he think he's off to?
PSG is probably the only big club he has left or say an Inter. PSG are desperate and he wouldn't have to do much coaching there so they can play attractive even with him there for a year or so.

He's fast running out of options after this job. Unlike our fans, most boards of big clubs see through his shit and will not want to touch him with a barge pole when he's back on the market.
 

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PSG is probably the only big club he has left or say an Inter.

He's fast running out of options after this job. Unlike our fans, most boards of big clubs see through his shit and will not want to touch him with a barge pole when he's back on the market.
I'll be amazed if PSG want him. Doesn't suit the profile they are building towards at all. They're more likely to want an Ancelotti.
 

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Exactly it was a typical performance under Jose.. one which would normally be overlooked as a job done and how we put them away effeciently but because Jose has made it out like it was one of the worst performances of the season - the top red sheep have responded accordingly
Yeah it is sort of funny people who criticize him here are called "moaners" when Mourinho is the moaner in chief. If someone here had a thread right after the match criticizing players like Mourinho did the thread would be locked.
 

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Yeah it is sort of funny people who criticize him here are called "moaners" when Mourinho is the moaner in chief. If someone here had a thread right after the match criticizing players like Mourinho did the thread would be locked.
Exactly!

But fecking Mourinho calls his players the Renford Rejects and all the usual suspects just nod along.

Can’t wait until Mourinho decides Lingard’s a little cnut. The Caf won’t know what to do!
 

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Mou is right though, how many of these players are ready to drag a team to a league title. They need to get to the next level or they will be replaced because mou isn't going anywhere. Even the remnants of fergies title winning team, most were bit part players, only Valencia and Carrick can be said to have played major roles. The bit part players and new additions who haven't won anything now have to show they can be the ones who shoulder the burden.

Look at the matches which cost us seriously this season, loss to huddlesfield, the Leicester match among others, all winnable easily when on form, it boils down to consistency and mentality to be ready and able to deliver 100% every match. That's what mourinho wants to see and he is right. This is what it takes to win the title.
 

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Mou is right though, how many of these players are ready to drag a team to a league title. They need to get to the next level or they will be replaced because mou isn't going anywhere. Even the remnants of fergies title winning team, most were bit part players, only Valencia and Carrick can be said to have played major roles. The bit part players and new additions who haven't won anything now have to show they can be the ones who shoulder the burden.

Look at the matches which cost us seriously this season, loss to huddlesfield, the Leicester match among others, all winnable easily when on form, it boils down to consistency and mentality to be ready and able to deliver 100% every match. That's what mourinho wants to see and he is right. This is what it takes to win the title.
If he falls out with half the side, he will get the boot.
 

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I am not sure if he is trying to get a reaction from players or make himself available for PSG or whatever next season. It was a bizarre reaction.

If he continues with it, he will get the boot sooner or later
 

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I am not sure if he is trying to get a reaction from players or make himself available for PSG or whatever next season. It was a bizarre reaction.

If he continues with it, he will get the boot sooner or later
The sad thing is I think the club will wait until it all comes apart before they make a change.
 

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Oh good, yet another shit thread blaming everything on manager. Maybe we should have caf collectively manage and teach football to United players.
 

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Wrong man management style. Mou is not a fool. He has been sacked enough times in his career to know how this will end if fans keep criticising the style of football and he is unable to win the PL/CL.

This is his twisted motivation technique. Unfortunately it doesn’t work with every player and will do more harm than good.

Edit: The OP is a rant though. Sounds like someone poured all their frustration into one thread and in a single direction.
 

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The state of this thread is hilarious.

Jose has called out players for not listening to his instructions something which he could have last week. The players do deserve a kick up their backsides. Why are suddenly people forgetting that we have the best league record in this calender year, even better than the mighty Liverpool and the English media's darling Manchester City. We have scored 2 goals or more most of the times, and have been getting results from all situations. If the players are not listening to his instructions, what is he supposed to do? I'd rather call out my players after a win(like Fergie did on multiple situations) rather than calling them out after a defeat. No he is not going to lose the dressing room, people need to calm down a bit. Doing it before a break makes even more sense and I am quite sure he has the backing of Ed Woodward when he is doing this, either you listen to the manager, or you take the boot and I hope the players get it straight up. Jose is going to leave at the end of the contract, but I don't see anything in yesterday's comments which looked out of place.
 

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If people like OP believe that some other manager can get more out of these players, especially when things are going tough, then deluded and stupid are only words to describe such thinking. What Mourinho is doing is risky but he probably has drawn a line knowing he has club's backing and will replace such players if there is no improvement. Also I don't care about the so called progressive football if it doesn't bring trophies and with our current bunch even if some managers may get more pleasing on eye performance, it won't bring trophies. More likely we will be worse in table.
People should really keep their biases and hate towards Mourinho aside before commenting.
 

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The state of this thread is hilarious.

Jose has called out players for not listening to his instructions something which he could have last week. The players do deserve a kick up their backsides. Why are suddenly people forgetting that we have the best league record in this calender year, even better than the mighty Liverpool and the English media's darling Manchester City. We have scored 2 goals or more most of the times, and have been getting results from all situations. If the players are not listening to his instructions, what is he supposed to do? I'd rather call out my players after a win(like Fergie did on multiple situations) rather than calling them out after a defeat. No he is not going to lose the dressing room, people need to calm down a bit. Doing it before a break makes even more sense and I am quite sure he has the backing of Ed Woodward when he is doing this, either you listen to the manager, or you take the boot and I hope the players get it straight up. Jose is going to leave at the end of the contract, but I don't see anything in yesterday's comments which looked out of place.
Agreed. Why is this even another thread, just add it to another bitch fest.
 

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The specific comments that he'd been drilling them on faster passing, movement up top and overlapping fullback play came off as total bullshit. The other day he rambled on for over 10 minutes about the loss to Sevilla, seemingly going off the misguided notion that the loss was why fans were so angry, it feels like he has then gotten wind that the issue is actually the quality of the football that many United fans value over purely results, and so tonight when we actually win under his shitty methods he takes it upon himself to throw all the players bar his two favourites under the bus for not playing the attacking football he'd been teaching them over the past two days....earlier in the season he'd have branded tonight's performance as "humble pragmatism" but now he's moving the goalposts, sure signs of a self preserving con artist.
 

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The state of this thread is hilarious.

Jose has called out players for not listening to his instructions something which he could have last week. The players do deserve a kick up their backsides. Why are suddenly people forgetting that we have the best league record in this calender year, even better than the mighty Liverpool and the English media's darling Manchester City. We have scored 2 goals or more most of the times, and have been getting results from all situations. If the players are not listening to his instructions, what is he supposed to do? I'd rather call out my players after a win(like Fergie did on multiple situations) rather than calling them out after a defeat. No he is not going to lose the dressing room, people need to calm down a bit. Doing it before a break makes even more sense and I am quite sure he has the backing of Ed Woodward when he is doing this, either you listen to the manager, or you take the boot and I hope the players get it straight up. Jose is going to leave at the end of the contract, but I don't see anything in yesterday's comments which looked out of place.
Yeah players deserve credit for that.
 

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The specific comments that he'd been drilling them on faster passing, movement up top and overlapping fullback play came off as total bullshit. The other day he rambled on for over 10 minutes about the loss to Sevilla, seemingly going off the misguided notion that the loss was why fans were so angry, it feels like he has then gotten wind that the issue is actually the quality of the football that many United fans value over purely results, and so tonight when we actually win under his shitty methods he takes it upon himself to throw all the players bar his two favourites under the bus for not playing the attacking football he'd been teaching them over the past two days....earlier in the season he'd have branded tonight's performance as "humble pragmatism" but now he's moving the goalposts, sure signs of a self preserving con artist.
And many people here would not have complained by the players' performance if Mourinho did not.
 

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If people like OP believe that some other manager can get more out of these players, especially when things are going tough, then deluded and stupid are only words to describe such thinking. What Mourinho is doing is risky but he probably has drawn a line knowing he has club's backing and will replace such players if there is no improvement. Also I don't care about the so called progressive football if it doesn't bring trophies and with our current bunch even if some managers may get more pleasing on eye performance, it won't bring trophies. More likely we will be worse in table.
People should really keep their biases and hate towards Mourinho aside before commenting.
I do agree with much of what you've said, but I have to question this comment. We have a good squad, with good players, let's not forget that. I'm happy with Mourinho to be honest, but people have (somewhat valid) criticisms of the play style he's brought, and the seemingly harsh comments directed towards players. Mourinho historically is a man that brings titles. He doesn't bring the most gloriously entertaining and expansive football, so absent silverware, is not a fair question to ask as to whether or not he's really getting the best out of the squad? Just posing the question. I still back him.
 

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And many people here would not have complained by the players' performance if Mourinho did not.
Yep, and if they had they'd have then been lambasted, threads would be locked and taglines would be assigned for not supporting the players.
 

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I'd rather call out my players after a win(like Fergie did on multiple situations) rather than calling them out after a defeat.
Ferguson never called out individuals. Even with the David Beckham incident, he'd refuse to get sucked into the presses questions. Ferguson was famously overly defensive of his players publicly. And our players done some fecked up stuff. Keane and Cantona especially. Scholes refused to play in a cup game, and was quietly shunned by the gaffa, but we never found that out until Scholes told the story years after he retired. Not to mention all those goalkeepers who were painfully shit, and Ferguson didnt hang them out to dry. Not even Taibi.

You dont hang your players out to dry. That leads to ... well ... the same thing that happens to Mourinho at most of his club. He leaves because either the fans, the players or the board are sick of his shit and things on the field go tits up.
 

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If people like OP believe that some other manager can get more out of these players, especially when things are going tough, then deluded and stupid are only words to describe such thinking. What Mourinho is doing is risky but he probably has drawn a line knowing he has club's backing and will replace such players if there is no improvement. Also I don't care about the so called progressive football if it doesn't bring trophies and with our current bunch even if some managers may get more pleasing on eye performance, it won't bring trophies. More likely we will be worse in table.
People should really keep their biases and hate towards Mourinho aside before commenting.
Every team in the continent that's going to win the league is playing progressive football, even the CL winner is going to be one of those clubs. Playing attacking football and winning trophies do go hand in hand.
 

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I do agree with much of what you've said, but I have to question this comment. We have a good squad, with good players, let's not forget that. I'm happy with Mourinho to be honest, but people have (somewhat valid) criticisms of the play style he's brought, and the seemingly harsh comments directed towards players. Mourinho historically is a man that brings titles. He doesn't bring the most gloriously entertaining and expansive football, so absent silverware, is not a fair question to ask as to whether or not he's really getting the best out of the squad? Just posing the question. I still back him.
What I mean is, getting more in terms of results. Maybe we will play more fluid but I don't think our squad is suitable to both attacking and making sure to do defensive part well while playing such football and also managers who could do it better. It is not as if Mourinho has problem with fluid football in attacking half, his successful teams were good and effective in attack.
 

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I am not sure if he is trying to get a reaction from players or make himself available for PSG or whatever next season. It was a bizarre reaction.

If he continues with it, he will get the boot sooner or later
If PSG bosses have half the brain they won't touch him with a barge-pole.
 
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