Joshua Zirkzee - Player Discussion

I admit that analyzing the squad is not my strong suit, but I'll try. I think Zirkzee would have a nice role, not a starter all the time for sure.

We need 6 'attackers' next year, is that about right? (maybe 5 with Bruno sometimes front 3?)

Cunha?? (or other striker)
Delap??
Diallo (I don't think he will be regular WB)
Zirkzee
Obi ?
Hojlund?


Garnacho - sold?
Rashford- sold
Antony-sold
Hojlund -sold? (I bet he stays)
Sancho - sold

Not sure where to put Mount....
 
He deserves a chance. Even when it's the usual shite served up by the team he has shown a bit of cunning. The league might be a bit much for him right now but it's not a negative to keep him.
 
If Zirkzee can only play as a false 9 then it's him that needs the strict system. Most managers don't use that type of striker (and it seems to be something even managers who previously did are moving away from), so chances are he won't be much more suitable for another manager who came in and played a different formation.

There are a couple of positions that are fairly specific to Amorim's system (mostly the wingbacks). Striker isn't one of them.

In saying that, I like him and hope he can be useful enough to keep around, albeit I doubt it'll be as a starter.

I totally agree, but Amorim has shown that he has no tactical flexibility at all. This is why he needs players of different skillets because him having 4 Gyokeres strikers when that tactic might not work in a particular game will probably hound his ability to win that game because he can't ask Gyokeres to drop deep, or more likely Gyokeres won't instinctively drop deep.

Garnacho is the same, he isn't a wide attacking midfielder but a much more direct penatrative type player. We can have 4 Cherki's playing with that intensity and passing ability but there will be times when we need to have a more penatrative direct player to take on the line.


CMs is the same. Do we want another 4 versions of Ugarte, or would we like a deep lying playing maker, a box to box, a number 6 ball winner etc. Sure there are players we should be prioritising first because they fit the system the best, but having a squad of versatility shouldn't be underestimated.

Zirkzee give us something quite unique as a forward & it's constantly seen on the pitch where the opposition get easily opened up by his skill creating actions.

The problem is these are currently not leading to anything.

I think a bit of a moot point anyway because Obi so far looks quite far away from being PL standard at his age and will probably need some loans before we even consider him in the mix.

System striker 1, System Striker 2, Zirkzee
System LAM, RAM, Amad, Bruno, Garnacho
System DLP, No 6, Box to box, Mainoo, Bruno

These are kind of the squads I want us to build.

It not only allows us to have flexibility during Amorim's charge, but it stops us having to reshape the whole squad as soon as a new manager comes in.
 
He isnt such a bad option when you look at his price as relatively cheap.
Someone like Strand Larsen cost 25m, Delap 30m. Dorgu was 27m? We did pay alittle over the odds for Zirkzee but we did it when his reputation was at its highest. I dont think his value is going to reduce too much.
 
I admit that analyzing the squad is not my strong suit, but I'll try. I think Zirkzee would have a nice role, not a starter all the time for sure.

We need 6 'attackers' next year, is that about right? (maybe 5 with Bruno sometimes front 3?)

Cunha?? (or other striker)
Delap??
Diallo (I don't think he will be regular WB)
Zirkzee
Obi ?
Hojlund?


Garnacho - sold?
Rashford- sold
Antony-sold
Hojlund -sold? (I bet he stays)
Sancho - sold

Not sure where to put Mount....
Kobbie has been used as a CAM too, seems to perform better there for now.
 
I'd move him on if the opportunity arises but reckon he'll be here next season.

Pre season he has to turn up fully fit and ready to go. In as good a shape as can.

None of this taking months to get up to speed like this season.
 
He isnt such a bad option when you look at his price as relatively cheap.
Someone like Strand Larsen cost 25m, Delap 30m. Dorgu was 27m? We did pay alittle over the odds for Zirkzee but we did it when his reputation was at its highest. I dont think his value is going to reduce too much.
Yeah he was a good bit of business, I still think we have yet to see the best of him but he will be a good player to take off the bench in games next season, if of course he doesn’t force his way into the team
 
I feel like Ineos will have started to break down Amorim's needs by position and Zirkzee helps cover a few of them. He present something different to all the others players competing for his positions so, whilst he might never start, he will always be an option to accommodate different styles of play. If you widen this out to the whole squad you can guess at players we know/think are 1st team and those who are young/backup. bear in mind this is not to win the PL, this is to get back to CL places/Top 4.

  • Orange being quality/injury concerns or youth player.
  • Green being clear and obvious transfer need.

First Team LevelSquad/Young/Cheap cover
GKOnanaNEED/Bayindir
RWBDalotNEED/Maz
RCBYoroMaz/Heaven
CCBDe LigtMaguire
LCBMartinez (NEED)Shaw/Heaven
LWBDorguShaw/Amass
CM (ball winner)UgarteCase/Collyer
CM (creative)BrunoNEED
10AmadGarnacho/Zirkzee/Mount/Mainoo
10NEEDGarnacho/Zirkzee/Mount/Mainoo
CFNEEDRasmus/Zirkzee/Obi

There's some other younger players + loanees but have not put them in. I don't think we'll have the budget for a GK (in case people want to tell me how bad Onana is, if we do 100% we should buy one but I suspect we'll pic someone younger up we think can become No1 on the cheap). Delap, Cunha alone are nearing £100m combined if we get them.
 
I would expect next season we will see less of him. We will strengthen our midfield, it's been very weak this season.
Him and Garna should not be starting games every week. Ideally they should be the first sub options and starting lower league and cup games. We've absolutely run Garna into the ground having being forced to play him for almost 2 seasons now.
Hopefully next season we get an opportunity to play them how they should be, but looks like Garna might be sold.