The correct decision on an upward trajectory and he has the qualities which the team lacks.
He's also outperformed Anthony, Sancho and Mount who are in and around his position despite having such a shaky start.
Joshua Zirkzee - Player Discussion
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The correct decision on an upward trajectory and he has the qualities which the team lacks.
He's also outperformed Anthony, Sancho and Mount who are in and around his position despite having such a shaky start.
It always feels a little needlessly personal and a little unkind to discuss a players weight. I just hope his injury doesn't effect how lean he had gotten. I think it had clearly played a role in his improvement as well as naturally settling.
I trust the club’s fitness staff will keep an eye on his weight.
Hopefully, I think it's more down to whether he noticed the difference and wishes to maintain it.
The club will only be able to do so much.
I genuinely think cutting his hair would make him a bit faster.
It would probably make him a little less tired 10 minutes in to the second half.
It would probably make him a little less tired 10 minutes in to the second half.
Sheringham came up in the Bruno thread and in hindsight I think there's a case for him being a Pound Shop version of that for United. He's never going to be physically dominant or prolific, and I don't think he'll ever be a starter long term, but in the right team I could see his linkup play being situationally useful and causing real problems as a sub. Covering two positions and offering something a bit different in both probably gets him a lot of leeway too.
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As unpopular as it might be on here, if we could get back £30m for him we'd be mad not to take it.
He seems to have got immensely popular for simply being better than Hojlund. Being better than Hojlund isn't a quality in itself.
He doesn't score, very little aerial prowess, doesn't have the pace to stretch the opposition or get in behind their defence.
We'll sign a new striker in the summer, but if he's injured for any length of time - we're back to exactly where we are this season - a team with a striker who can't score, and expect us to perform like a midtable team or worse for as long as we're playing a striker who can't score.
As a 10 he should always be behind the pecking order of Amad, Bruno and whichever new signing we make in the summer for this position.
If at all possible I'd be looking at selling Zirkzee and loaning Hojlund (since Hojlund is unsellable at this point), and finding a way to bring in 2 strikers.
Ideally it would probably be the last scenario you mentioned, Hojlund develops (potentially) for a year somewhere else where there is less pressure on him and we recoup the majority of Zirkzees fee, then we get two new strikers in.
But for me I just can’t see us getting two strikers in one window, which means keeping one of them in the club along with Chido, Zirkzee has certainly been an improvement on Hojlund especially in the second half of the season imo.
If we keep him, do we still expect him to play as a CF or one of the AMs?
I believe he has a lot of potential. Especially if he improves his output. He is technically gifted, has a great pass in him, can score headers. The only issue I see is he is not the fastest. He can be fantastic in the right environment in the right, whatever that might be.
I have started warming on him. He has upped his game. It is a bit unfortunate that he lacks a bit in physical traits. But he has responded magnificent to the early sub and I think he was booed as well. He has shown good mentality.
I think he is versatile enough to sub in at either of those positions. A top striker, him and Chido for rotation is not bad for a team looking for a top 6 finish next season. Plus, he can play as #10 when Amad, Cunha, Mount, Mainoo & Bruno aren't available.
Though, I would still sell him if anyone stumps up the money we paid for him last summer.
Nor did firmino and how successful and intregal was he to liverpools success?
Firminho did score to be honest
Both. I would imagine if he stays he’s second choice striker (assuming we buy a new one), and about 4th choice AM.
I agree with your take except we shouldn't sell him for less than what we paid for him. I don't see him contributing enough as a #10, and at best he is a backup CF who is not very prolific.
Milan were prepared to pay his buyout clause but backed off due to the agent fee which needed to be paid. I am sure one of the Italian clubs will take him.
I agree here. He isn't a good fit for our team as it is, there was a shout for ETHs system as he has the potential to be great when having two wingforwards next to him he could set up for but thats not the case in our team. He is lauded on here because his technical level is pretty good within a sea of not great technical levels. He had to play because of injuries and letting go two nominal starting attackers in the winter. Some of the over the top criticism wasn't cool and I think he did find his feet to a degree but if we had the chance to recoup a good chunk of the outlay we made, I think we should do it. He isn't a good fit for either position as we speak, even though I have no issue saying he can seem like the lesser evil. Don't think he is made for the PL.
Firminho scored 11 goals and Zirkzee scored 7.
When you consider just how bad Manchester United are now compared to the Liverpool team Firminho walked into (not great but also not relegation form), I think it's neither here nor there.
10 league goals to 3 for Zirkzee by the way
Seems a nice guy. Will be here next year
What’s this (out) in the op. Seems a bit daft
I actually agree very much with this. Højlund being his benchmark means he gets overrated quite a bit.
For the most part, I also don’t see him reaching many chances in the box or creating shots for himself. He takes better care of the ball, but is not a big goal threat.
Definitely wouldn’t mind selling if the price is right. As a back-up that can cover multiple roles he is fine, but overall I think he is kind of an awkward fit.
Thats neither here nor there. One had 48 appearances and 11 goals the other I think 47 and 7 goals. Given the shitshow we've been it's neither here nor there.
Firminho really started adding value after he was settled.
Its quite obviously does matter (PL goals) but yes any players tends to add the most value after they are settled.
Rightly so.
Good.
Why does it matter? Youre weighting goals against other teams which makes little sense. He's scored vs Sociedad and Lyon for example.
Point being, the initial post said Firminho scores goals, well in that case so does Zirkzee if you look at the relative quality he's worked with.
I think in a well functioning side he would be a great asset as an impact sub/back up player. Not first XI choice for any team with ambition but a very useful squad player.
If/when Ruben inevitably switches to proper 3-5-2 Zee wiil be rotational attacker fighting Cunha and Delap for starting spot upfront.
-----------------Vítek
-----Yoro----DeLigt---Heaven
--------------Wharton
----------Bruno----Mainoo
Amad----------------------------Dorgu
------------------------Cunha
---------------Delap
"B" Team:
--------------- -Kovář
-----Maz---Maguire---Fredricson
----------------Ugarte
--------Collyer---------Koné
Dalot-------------------------------Amass
--------Garnacho--Zirkzee
Squad players: Harrison Graczyk - Kukonki Kamason Fletcher Chido Obi
On standby: Shaw Martínez Mount
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People have actually said that?
For me, i like him because he is a big bastard with good feet and is a bit of a baller, i actually enjoy watching him play football.
And i also really like how he has responded to an awful start. Seems like has worked hard to turn things around and got back into the starting 11. That is how we want our players to react to setbacks. No clue why Höjlund enters the evaluation here..?
I’ve warmed to him and I feel he will do well in a more attacking and fluid United side that we all hope next season will bring.
He’s going to play in one of the 10 positions, rather than CF. A pacy, attacking WB such as Diallo would work well with him as he’s the ability to create space and move the ball quickly.
He’s going to play in one of the 10 positions, rather than CF. A pacy, attacking WB such as Diallo would work well with him as he’s the ability to create space and move the ball quickly.
Comprised of a tap in on his debut and a brace in the 4-0 laugher against Everton back on December 1st. Not scored in the league besides that. I have no axe to grind with Zirkzee but he is so clearly not up to the standard required and unlike guys like Antony and Hojlund he was signed for a sensible enough fee that he can be moved out this summer without harming our financial position and might even generate a small profit.
Will be an immense player as soon as Amorim leaves.
Doesn't suit 3421 because that tactic doesn't use a False 9.
It's like using Firminho upfront and asking Bruno and Cherki to create chances for Firminho to score.
Zirkzee needs Salah & Mane type forwards playing off of him, not Attacking midfielders trying to play Zirkzee in.
Only weakness is his stamina but I think considering his age that this should improve.
A very fun player to watch & has the potential to be the top 1-3 false 9's in the world.
Getting rid of him because he doesn't fit Amorims strict system doesn't make sense.
Doesn't suit 3421 because that tactic doesn't use a False 9.
It's like using Firminho upfront and asking Bruno and Cherki to create chances for Firminho to score.
Zirkzee needs Salah & Mane type forwards playing off of him, not Attacking midfielders trying to play Zirkzee in.
Only weakness is his stamina but I think considering his age that this should improve.
A very fun player to watch & has the potential to be the top 1-3 false 9's in the world.
Getting rid of him because he doesn't fit Amorims strict system doesn't make sense.
Amorim is going nowhere. The rest of your post makes me believe you either are Josh Zirkzee, his agent or his mum.
Even I could play with those 2 and form a deadly trio.
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Keep him and sell Hojlund.
If Zirkzee can only play as a false 9 then it's him that needs the strict system. Most managers don't use that type of striker (and it seems to be something even managers who previously did are moving away from), so chances are he won't be much more suitable for another manager who came in and played a different formation.
There are a couple of positions that are fairly specific to Amorim's system (mostly the wingbacks). Striker isn't one of them.
In saying that, I like him and hope he can be useful enough to keep around, albeit I doubt it'll be as a starter.
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