Exactly, I also find it a bit amusing the amount of people declaring ‘he will start as a right back’. Especially when he isn’t a right back.
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means feck all? means feck all? Mate, the Sancho thread has about 300 pages before it had anything this good
rejoice!
According to an Ajax fan on here, Timber was brought up as a RB in their academy but was played at CB by ETH after being promoted to the first team. I'm guessing their top performing RB named Mazaroui was among the reasons Timber position was switched, and if he was trained as a RB all through his youth career then he would be more than capable of playing as a RB.
Seen a few on here rate him but I've never been impressed with Alvarez so it's interesting to see an Ajax fan feel the same. He really benefits from a backline of highly technical players in Timber, Martinez, Blind and Mazraoui because if your back 4 wasn't as good on the ball as those 4, his technical limitations would be exposed.
Though, you could look at him as a necessary evil as he offers physicality to an otherwise small defence.
Timber is a fine choice at RB. Especially if, like ten Hag has shown with his uses of Blind and Mazraoui, he plays as an inverted one who acts as a cm in possession. He's played a fair bit at RB already.
That's what I heard, too. This isn't an alien position to him.
If I were in United management, I'd go all in for Gvardiol and Ndicka. Combined they wouldn’t cost more than 50 million. We can get this much money selling Maguire. Even if we don’t sell Maguire, these are the kind of centre backs we need to be targeting. Not a baby who can’t even jump higher than 6ft and miss places his passes regularly.
One crap video and people think they are expert on the players they never watched play (ignore if you meant some other player)
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He's played a fair chunk at right back over his career and for the Dutch national team in the past. It suits his skill set. It suits our team needs/strengths/weaknesses. It's just a logical move if we were to sign him, especially while he adapts to the league.
Who is in the final?
IF he’s going to play RB, it’s down to the opinion of the coach who gave him his debut and knows the players capabilities more than any of us
That’s up to ETH who knows him a hell of a lot better than any of us
20 years old...shit, he'll need a lot of patience and afforded time. Willing to give him that, but we all need to temper expectations.
How many 20 year old defenders have taken the PL by storm? If he was that good, then everybody would be on him, especially Chelsea.
He would be a good signing based on price, age, and raw ability with Lindelof and Varane (possibly Maguire) around. And if EtH feels like he can be a flexible player like Brown, Smalling, and even Jones switching between CB and FB then settling on a position a few years later, then fine.
United need good footballers who can contribute in various situations. Seems like Timber fits that criteria and has a lot of room to improve and mature.
How many 20 year old defenders have taken the PL by storm? If he was that good, then everybody would be on him, especially Chelsea.
He would be a good signing based on price, age, and raw ability with Lindelof and Varane (possibly Maguire) around. And if EtH feels like he can be a flexible player like Brown, Smalling, and even Jones switching between CB and FB then settling on a position a few years later, then fine.
United need good footballers who can contribute in various situations. Seems like Timber fits that criteria and has a lot of room to improve and mature.
unless he Cancelo like on the ball then I disagree
Yes, he was but AWB was brought up as a winger in the Crystal Palace academy. McTominay was a striker in our academy. You wouldn’t dream of playing those players in their academy positions bar emergencies. Somebody had a chart earlier in the thread showing that he has played right back 4 times for Ajax. That isn’t exactly compelling evidence that he’ll be a huge improvement.
So we should never question a managers selection choice because they will always know their players better than us?? Maybe we know the premier league better and are more familiar with the challenges a centre back will face. Also, ETH’s selection isn’t perfect. I follow Ajax twitter accounts and they’re constantly giving out about him starting Klaasen over Kudus, Haller over Brobbey. He played Dest over Mazraoui. He’s a (hopefully) great manager. He’s not infallible.
No one is saying he’s infallible, but the man hasn’t even managed a game or signed anyone yet and people are questioning his decision making.
Maybe. But a bit interesting that he played two games in a row there this spring after soley playing CB for a long period. Makes you wonder if ten Hag wanted to test him there. I also see that transfermarkt have him at 49 games at RB, 8 as LB and 120 as CB. And considering our options at RB, I can understand people discussing it. Especially considering how EtH have made use of fullbacks.
Especially if the defender has strength, like Timber has.
But the naysayers will be back in full force after he loses his first header
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised!
Off course he’s not infallible but he knows what the player is capable off. Don’t forget the lad is only 20. Fergie used to start players in one position to gain experience before transitioning them to another position when they’re older. There is absolutely no reason why the lad can’t play RB, none at all. He’s fast, strong, a good defender, a good passer and can carry the ball far into the opposition half. I mean what else do you want from a right back?? Serious question. Just because someone has played a different position more at 20 does not mean he can’t play elsewhere. It’s just where Ajax needed him.
let’s see if he joins and if he does, then let’s give him a bit if support before moaning about a 20 year old before we’ve even seen him in United colours!
Yeah our fanbase is bonkers. They want things to improve but already moaning about how we get there before he even starts! Bonkers
No idea why people think Timber will be coming in to play rb. If we're signing him I'm pretty sure he'll be playing 90% of his games for us at cb. He's never played any substantial time at rb. ETH obviously doesn't think his height will be an issue. I personally think it's some naivety on his part on what's required in the PL but we'll see. There are certainly loads of things Timber excels at. I am quite wary of how aggressively he presses also. We already have Maguire getting caught out of possition contantly due to pushing up and Timber does this constantly. He's better at it then Maguire but we're going to need our team as a whole to be much better at pressing players to get past this issue imo. ETH seems to trust Dalot so he'll probably be our starting rb for this season. Timber will probably be the emergency backup in case of injury or maybe Laird/Williams will have a bigger place in the squad.
Well we certainly wouldn't be signing him as a centre half because he is demonstrably crap in the air. Also, if we wanted a centre half surely we'd get Lisandro Martinez, who's good in the air regardless of his height, is a more natural defender and is left footed to boot.
If we signed him to play at right back, we still wouldn't have a good natural right back in the squad. So it looks like we'd still have to buy one.
What exactly are the links to him? Because the only places I've seen him mentioned is tabloids - no reputable sources that I'm aware of.
If we signed him to play at right back, we still wouldn't have a good natural right back in the squad. So it looks like we'd still have to buy one.
What exactly are the links to him? Because the only places I've seen him mentioned is tabloids - no reputable sources that I'm aware of.
This is just patronising. We have a history of buying square pegs for round holes which has left us with one of the most unbalanced and poorly constructed squads around and you’re having a go at fans that are pointing out that maybe we should take a breath and consider what the signing might fix but also the negative impacts it might have.
Of course it is. And ETH plays him as a centre half every week.
Timber played right back for Ajax like 3 times last season and once for the national team (after which van gaal said he didnt do a proper job and switched back to Dumfries immediately at halftime)...
Im not saying he cannot play right back or couldnt function there, but the amount of people here wanting him as a right back, where he hardly plays at Ajax is beyond me to be honest...
Im not saying he cannot play right back or couldnt function there, but the amount of people here wanting him as a right back, where he hardly plays at Ajax is beyond me to be honest...
Exactly. He plays centre half every week. And his form there has been so celebrated that it is likely to win him a big move.
If you want a RB, go and buy a RB.
How could you possibly make that statement?
He started/came on 5 times at RB but also moved to RB during the match in at like another 5 games (whenever Schuurs came on for Mazraoui, basically)
Interesting analysis. I haven't seen many games for Timber but looks a nice prospect. I do wonder how would he fit in IF we don't improve in advanced areas. I.e. if he is relying on McT, Elanga and out of form Rashford ahead of him.
We just have so many areas to upgrade... :-(
Quite funny to see internet warriors over-analyzing players, just because of YouTube clips and stats like height...
Timber is a great modern centre-back. Can also play RB, and some has speculated, that with more experience he could also become a great DM. Who knows, he is still young and developing.
Would I like him at United as a CB.? Yes.
Is he good enough.? Yes.
Timber is a great modern centre-back. Can also play RB, and some has speculated, that with more experience he could also become a great DM. Who knows, he is still young and developing.
Would I like him at United as a CB.? Yes.
Is he good enough.? Yes.
He looks very comfortable on the ball. Of course the Prem will be a higher bar than the Erevidise but with the current set of defenders we are very predictable and uncomfortable on the ball (prob with the exception of Varane).
Was there not one manager who said the tactic was to cut off the passing lanes to force the ball to Aaron Wan-Bissaka and then capitalise on him being a poor ball player?
All transfers are a risk but at the fee quoted, he looks the right profile to improve the team as we see it but also have time on his side to improve as a player.
Was there not one manager who said the tactic was to cut off the passing lanes to force the ball to Aaron Wan-Bissaka and then capitalise on him being a poor ball player?
All transfers are a risk but at the fee quoted, he looks the right profile to improve the team as we see it but also have time on his side to improve as a player.
Why is he wearing a Leipzig shirt? Isn't he associated with united? Seen him in mutv a few times .
Not at all sure. That's the first time I came across any of his YT content.
Has a higher duel win rate than Dias. Looks good!
Heard, he is quick so I am sold.
Heard, he is quick so I am sold.
Haha...is this Ed Wooodward here? It beggars belief that having been laughing stocks for ten years for our failures in the transfer market that the people expressing caution or over analysing potential signings are the ones being ridiculed. Everything you've said about right back and DM is a maybe, what I and the other "internet warriors" have argued about his poor aerial attributes is fact. But you do make a great point that "some has speculated, that with more experience he could also become a great DM". Argument over, you win.
Im not saying that he WILL play RB. I’m saying ETH will know whether or not he can. Do I think he’s capable? Yes. He’s only 20. He can be coached IF they have an idea to put him there. He obviously played his part in the Ajax system. We don’t know if it will be the same for United. If he plays CB I will equally be happy because there is a chance that he would replace Lindelof. At long last!
AWB likely going and still some question marks over Dalot, bring in a player that can cover RB and CB, is 20 years old and has worked with our manager before
Shite deal, too short, do not want
ETH has already evaluated our squad and will be targeting what he thinks will fix issues within the squad. Im sure everything has been analysed and thought about by ETH and his team.
Hence why I think it’s bonkers if fans think they know better
I know right!? Jesus. Give the man a chance to get startedAWB likely going and still some question marks over Dalot, bring in a player that can cover RB and CB, is 20 years old and has worked with our manager before
Shite deal, too short, do not want
If we sign Timber, it will be as a signing CB, a young center back that indicate the direction we want to go style wise, same will happen in the midfield and attack.
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