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Thiago Silva over Magurie every day of the week.Mendy
Varane, Maguire, Rüdiger
James, Kante, Jorginho, Shaw
Bruno, Mount
Havertz
Guess it could work
Thiago Silva over Magurie every day of the week.Mendy
Varane, Maguire, Rüdiger
James, Kante, Jorginho, Shaw
Bruno, Mount
Havertz
Guess it could work
Sure, I just tried to work with the names given in the quoted postThiago Silva over Magurie every day of the week.
Oh I didn't see that! Fair enough.Sure, I just tried to work with the names given in the quoted post
Haha. I'm obviously not saying get all of them but if any of those would consider the move at cut price deals due to the situation we should go for it.Manchelsea United?
If it ever came down to that, we would owe Arsenal first picks after they have bought all our players after they were shit for all these years.If Chelsea are in a really bad place in the summer we should be all over some of their players tbh.
- Mendy
- Rudiger
- Kovacic
- Jorginho
- Kante
- Mount
- Havertz
- James
- Tuchel
They would all be great signings for us tbh.
Maguire over Silva?Mendy
Varane, Maguire, Rüdiger
James, Kante, Jorginho, Shaw
Bruno, Mount
Havertz
Guess it could work
Never. But Silva wasn't part of the originally posted list here.Maguire over Silva?
Maguire shouldn’t be anywhere near that Chelsea teamMendy
Varane, Maguire, Rüdiger
James, Kante, Jorginho, Shaw
Bruno, Mount
Havertz
Guess it could work
Shouldn't be anywhere near the Utd team either.Maguire shouldn’t be anywhere near that Chelsea team
I remember you saying as much at the time. Sancho would be fantastic in our team.Thought you should go all in on Sancho back then and ignore Lukaku because he'd make your attack very static. But most Chelsea fans were adamant to get a striker back then.
Imagine Havertz and Sancho linking up, coached by Tuchel
This is a great point and is often the downside of positional versatility - especially when transferring to a new country and situation, having consistency in terms of where he's deployed and limiting how much he has to learn is valuable.Yes. He's still great as an 8/10 though. Excelled in that role for us, even more so than as a false 9. That being said it's probably about time the constant positional shifting stops so that he can really settle in. Plus he also has the best chances of starting for Germany as a false 9.
Yeah this has been notable. His back to goal play has definitely improved - suspect part of this might be the bad bout of COVID he had to deal with last season, especially as he struggled badly to get back up to speed once he was back.This. Harvetz, is a misunderstood player in the modern game. He is essentially a old No.10 being forced to play F9 and is in no way a winger. I would actually argue he would be better as an 8 than an 11 or 7.
As for him overall, if Chelsea run into trouble over their sale to new ownership and have to sell he is the player that I suspect will be the most prized.
A lot of people, get obsessed by stats these days, but Harvetz has been very impressive since he was about 17 with his in game intelligence. What a lot of people fail to see with him (especially those that watch on TV exclusively) is how he drags defences around with his movements off the ball. Considering he is doing this at his age is highly impressive as that is a very canny skill that you don't usually see from someone so young; it is similar to Crespo/Inzaghi/RVN where is takes two to mark him because they cannot keep a track on them, even though they're not the strongest.
Additionally, what has impressed me this season about him is how he has bulked up a bit and stopped being such a lightweight. Last season, he got builled quite a bit, whereas this season he is shielding the ball much better and also learning how to sh*thouse a bit. His physical development kind of reminds me of CR7's as he transitioned from a teenager to his man body (not saying he will be as good of a player, rather that he seems to have had a similar physical development.)
Anyway, I have been high on him since he was kid and I think he is now starting to show everyone in England what he is about.
As for that goal yesterday, the close control was just filthy, he literally had to take it like that as he only had about 1.5 yards to play with. Ridiculous.
Havertz is a problematic player. He's talented but he forces you to play a certain way if you want him to perform, and that pretty much determines your entire formation, a bit like Griezmann at Atletico back in the days or Dybala. He's not a great false 9 unless he can have wingers who will push forward, especially without Chillwell and a recoving Reese James. Is he good enough to build around him? Maybe, but it's risky. Players like Havertz aren't easy to properly integrate on the pitch but you can't put them on the bench because they're too good.Caveat that I've been on the lash a bit but what a fecking player he is. He's so much more comfortable with his surroundings this year and is really starting to blossom. Think he's our PotS so far pretty comfortably (ahead of Thiago Silva) and he's still just 22. The priority has to be buying players who complement him this summer - Lukaku has been an abject disaster and in retrospect @WeePat and I were completely correct that Sancho should have been the target instead.
Assuming we're allowed to sign players this summer Dembele is the one I want on a free - think he and Havertz would complement each other extremely well.
Imagine Havertz with players like Mane and Salah at either side or as a false 9 at Man City.Havertz is a problematic player. He's talented but he forces you to play a certain way if you want him to perform, and that pretty much determines your entire formation, a bit like Griezmann at Atletico back in the days or Dybala. He's not a great false 9 unless he can have wingers who will push forward, especially without Chillwell and a recoving Reese James. Is he good enough to build around him? Maybe, but it's risky. Players like Havertz aren't easy to properly integrate on the pitch but you can't put them on the bench because they're too good.
He's sublime. He's our outright top scorer now with 13 goals in all comps. He could have bagged himself a couple more if was allowed more minutes today.Caveat that I've been on the lash a bit but what a fecking player he is. He's so much more comfortable with his surroundings this year and is really starting to blossom. Think he's our PotS so far pretty comfortably (ahead of Thiago Silva) and he's still just 22. The priority has to be buying players who complement him this summer - Lukaku has been an abject disaster and in retrospect @WeePat and I were completely correct that Sancho should have been the target instead.
Assuming we're allowed to sign players this summer Dembele is the one I want on a free - think he and Havertz would complement each other extremely well.
That's exactly the kind of wingers I have in mind yes. The problem is, Mount is another of your key players for the future and I'm really not sure they both fit well together especially when mount is on the wing. Maybe a 4312 with Mount in the midfield?Imagine Havertz with players like Mane and Salah at either side or as a false 9 at Man City.
He’s playing there for us. 3 teams who play 3 different styles and he would compliment every style.
He is certainly not problematic.
If I were Chelsea I'd still try to get him from United. They could be tempted to sell him after the season he's having. I'd say you could offer them Lukaku but that's probably too much of a stretchCaveat that I've been on the lash a bit but what a fecking player he is. He's so much more comfortable with his surroundings this year and is really starting to blossom. Think he's our PotS so far pretty comfortably (ahead of Thiago Silva) and he's still just 22. The priority has to be buying players who complement him this summer - Lukaku has been an abject disaster and in retrospect @WeePat and I were completely correct that Sancho should have been the target instead.
Assuming we're allowed to sign players this summer Dembele is the one I want on a free - think he and Havertz would complement each other extremely well.
For us Havertz worked best with Brandt as a midfield partner who's not that dissimilar to Mount in terms of attacking play. Havertz is very, very versatile. Probably one of the most versatile top players around.That's exactly the kind of wingers I have in mind yes. The problem is, Mount is another of your key players for the future and I'm really not sure they both fit well together especially when mount is on the wing. Maybe a 4312 with Mount in the midfield?
I don't really agree with this "versatility" argument. It was exactly the same for Griezmann or Dybala. They look versatile but they're really not in my opinion, because you can't play them efficently as real forwards and they're not great on the wing either. So it's either 8/10 or 10/false 9, which automatically limit your choices formation wise.For us Havertz worked best with Brandt as a midfield partner who's not that dissimilar to Mount in terms of attacking play. Havertz is very, very versatile. Probably one of the most versatile top players around.
I guess I just disagree. Havertz hasn't shown he needs runners going past him to play well - he's entirely adept at playing on the shoulder of the last line of defense in a way that Dybala especially wasn't. If he were a pure false 9 as you say, he'd have never scored the goals against Newcastle or Real Madrid recently - he's just an all around brilliant player. As you say Dybala and Griezmann (albeit to a lesser extent) have both been pigeonholed into roles as a second striker working off a partner and I just don't think that applies to Havertz based on his time at Bayer and Chelsea to date.Havertz is a problematic player. He's talented but he forces you to play a certain way if you want him to perform, and that pretty much determines your entire formation, a bit like Griezmann at Atletico back in the days or Dybala. He's not a great false 9 unless he can have wingers who will push forward, especially without Chillwell and a recoving Reese James. Is he good enough to build around him? Maybe, but it's risky. Players like Havertz aren't easy to properly integrate on the pitch but you can't put them on the bench because they're too good.
He can do it, but that doesn't mean it's the best for Chelsea as a team. He has 7 PL goals in 22 games with 3 assists, it's just not consistent enough. Sure he'll score a great goal in the box every couple of weeks because he's a good player but that's not his best quality.I guess I just disagree. Havertz hasn't shown he needs runners going past him to play well - he's entirely adept at playing on the shoulder of the last line of defense in a way that Dybala especially wasn't. If he were a pure false 9 as you say, he'd have never scored the goals against Newcastle or Real Madrid recently - he's just an all around brilliant player. As you say Dybala and Griezmann (albeit to a lesser extent) have both been pigeonholed into roles as a second striker working off a partner and I just don't think that applies to Havertz based on his time at Bayer and Chelsea to date.
He didn't spend all of those games at CF. Don't forget Lukaku was the main starter until after the new year. Since he's been the main starter at CF, he's scored 8 goals in 11 games.He can do it, but that doesn't mean it's the best for Chelsea as a team. He has 7 PL goals in 22 games with 3 assists, it's just not consistent enough. Sure he'll score a great goal in the box every couple of weeks because he's a good player but that's not his best quality.
Havertz played as a CM the majority of time for us. He actually showed his best performances in this position for us, especially in his 17 goals season. He can't play on the wing, that's true.I don't really agree with this "versatility" argument. It was exactly the same for Griezmann or Dybala. They look versatile but they're really not in my opinion, because you can't play them efficently as real forwards and they're not great on the wing either. So it's either 8/10 or 10/false 9, which automatically limit your choices formation wise.
But yeah I can see him play with Mount in the midfield.
As @WeePat said, he was moved around earlier this year to accommodate Lukaku - most of his appearances in the first half of the season were as a hybrid CAM / inside forward in our usualy 3-4-2-1. Since moving to centre forward more or less exclusively, he's been very consistent and miles ahead of Lukaku (granted that is a very low bar).He can do it, but that doesn't mean it's the best for Chelsea as a team. He has 7 PL goals in 22 games with 3 assists, it's just not consistent enough. Sure he'll score a great goal in the box every couple of weeks because he's a good player but that's not his best quality.
Chiesa was THE one until.... Also Chiesa suits Tuchel's style 'to a T'What we need is a technically great, fast, goal scoring wide player to play along the front line together with Havertz and Mount. Werner will surely leave so it should open up a spot. We are crying out for a player like Son/Jota/Luis Dias/Mané/Salah etc. Someone who can run their socks off, stretch defenses, and most importantly put up great numbers. That way we can have a fluid front 3 with all of them switching positions constantly.
That could be a good role for Gnabry but his playstyle is really similar to Werner. Gnabry is better, but I don't think Gnabry instead of Werner will have THAT much of an impact.What we need is a technically great, fast, goal scoring wide player to play along the front line together with Havertz and Mount. Werner will surely leave so it should open up a spot. We are crying out for a player like Son/Jota/Luis Dias/Mané/Salah etc. Someone who can run their socks off, stretch defenses, and most importantly put up great numbers. That way we can have a fluid front 3 with all of them switching positions constantly.
If Bayern somehow can’t agree a new extension with Gnabry we should try for him. If Barca can’t agree a new extension with Dembele we should try for him. Just someone who has an elite mentality and doesn’t crumble like Werner and CHO do.
If the Boehly group bid is accepted they already have one of the architects of Liverpools roster for the Fenway group in their fold apparently, so the mention of a lot of those guys and how the team could be built could be prescient.What we need is a technically great, fast, goal scoring wide player to play along the front line together with Havertz and Mount. Werner will surely leave so it should open up a spot. We are crying out for a player like Son/Jota/Luis Dias/Mané/Salah etc. Someone who can run their socks off, stretch defenses, and most importantly put up great numbers. That way we can have a fluid front 3 with all of them switching positions constantly.
If Bayern somehow can’t agree a new extension with Gnabry we should try for him. If Barca can’t agree a new extension with Dembele we should try for him. Just someone who has an elite mentality and doesn’t crumble like Werner and CHO do.
What do you and other Bayern supporters think of Gnabry generally? Do you want to keep him?That could be a good role for Gnabry but his playstyle is really similar to Werner. Gnabry is better, but I don't think Gnabry instead of Werner will have THAT much of an impact.
It's not unlikely you could get him though. His contract runs out next summer and the contract extension isn't sure at the moment.
If we can't extend his contract in the next months reports say that our board will sell him this summer to prevent another Alaba/Süle situation and losing another great player in his best years for free.
A few months ago I would have definitely said yes, now I would say it depends.What do you and other Bayern supporters think of Gnabry generally? Do you want to keep him?
I said this before we signed Lukaku. Our best and most fluid football last season had Werner in the team. Yes he missed a ludicrous amount of chances but we MADE clear chances, his speed unsettles defensive lines and creates space for others, prime example Havertz goal in the CL final. Lukaku was simply a luxury purchase that hasn’t worked like Shevchenko.I think Gnabry is an excellent and very underrated player. He's a bit like Müller as he shines through his great decision making and movement but also has very good technique and good pace. He's also one the most two footed players around I think.
Werner is much faster and more direct, though. He's theoretically the perfect fit.
I really struggle to understand the Lukaku signing. If Werner would have been trusted to sort out his finishing, you'd have had a 30 goals a season player who works very naturally with a mobile false 9 like Havertz. I think the Havertz goal yesterday was a good hint what type of player Werner can be when he has self esteem.
Yes, the goal in the final is the perfect example. Lukaku is generally a good player in the right system but was never going to fit into Tuchel's style of play.I said this before we signed Lukaku. Our best and most fluid football last season had Werner in the team. Yes he missed a ludicrous amount of chances but we MADE clear chances, his speed unsettles defensive lines and creates space for others, prime example Havertz goal in the CL final. Lukaku was simply a luxury purchase that hasn’t worked like Shevchenko.
Poor finisher, but I absolutely loved his performance today.so what do we make of this Havertz guy? Do we regret him not being at United?