Kai Havertz

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  1. May 18, 2019

    ColoRed New Member

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    Yeah he'll stay another year now Lkusen are in CL again. If we just could buy him :drool:
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    OutlawGER Full Member

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    Sane? De Bruyne?

    We haven't even signed many (notable) players from the Bundesliga in recent years. Only Goretzka, Hummels and Süle come to mind.
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    Yeah, I don't think it's as much a forgone conclusion as it used to be. Bayern can probably match any wages offered by PL clubs, but whether they are willing to do so for him is another question. Their current squad needs a lot of investment and while they have loads of money it's not unlimited (same for everyone other than city/PSG). I'd also be very surprised if they'd suddenly start spending more than they can afford in the long term.

    If the big PL clubs really go for him they stand every chance to sign him.
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    I think he is probably the player I want most in the world even over DeLigt and Sancho. When he eventually signs for one of Europe’s elite I’m going to be heart broken.
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    marktan Full Member

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    Hmm wouldnt be sure about that, having never watched havertz play I can safely say Sancho is the better player.
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    SportingCP96 Full Member

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    Would love if he went to Dortmund. He would be a star.
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    :lol:
    You’re missing out then if you’ve never seen him.
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    ATXRedDevil Full Member

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    My thoughts entirely. Hell, I’d trade pogba for him now, no questions asked. (I don’t mean a literal swap deal, I know pogba ain’t going to Bayer).
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    JDoe Full Member

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    Dortmund can't afford him. He won't go for less than 100m (we already bid 90m and got rejected). Hopefully he will join us, I'd break the bank for him if I was Hoeneß. Destined to be a world-class player if he isn't close to one already.
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    SportingCP96 Full Member

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    Oh didn't know that. That sucks Dortmund would of been great for him but he is so talented I am sure he will end up at Bayern.
  11. Jun 8, 2019

    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    This kid is sensational.
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    reddev3 New Member

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    Just watched a youtube vid so that's the scouting done, reminds me of Zidane, sign him up!
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    Did Voeller say recent they want to sell him abroad if he goes? Thought I read that somewhere although I know if he insists on going to Bayern there isn’t much he can do. Very few top German players seem to abroad.
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    Yeah, coming to think of it, he could go for less if he moves to a foreign club. Völler hates us and surely would bleed us dry if he were to go to us. Like with Vidal I could see him going for way less if he decides to move abroad
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    Zehner Full Member

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    Vidal moved for more than you bid. Völler would've sold him to you if you had offered enough and if all this "Vidal will move for what we offered or he'll come next year without a fee" stuff from Heynckes didn't happen.

    That being said, you're right. Völler recently said that he'll do what's possible to prevent Leverkusen players sigming for national competitors.
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    Bit of a weird one because as good as Dortmund are it’s a bit of a side step really is it not. It’s not like Leverkusen are paupers. They have good players and a decent team in general. I would think if and when he moves it’ll be to one of the big teams.
    Dortmund always seem to me like a stepping stone club, a bit like Spurs really.
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    I can see that point for sure but I feel at Dortmund he would have more exposure he would play European football he would play in a great system. At Bayern there is more pressure to succeed immediately where as at Dortmund he would be able to grow more patiently. In my opinion obviously.
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    I mean I would say is pretty much ready to go he finished Leverkusen top scorer and broke a Bundesliga record being the youngest player ever to score 17 goals.

    I do however think as you say if he was at Dortmund already he’d probably have more European exposure as I said in this thread and another one earlier it seems like he has gone under the radar a bit and maybe that is in part to everyone being obsessed with Sancho.

    Leverkusen will be in the champions league next year as they finished 4th. Might have a qualifying match, not sure. Anyway I don’t see him moving this summer so his profile might have risen by this time next year.
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    SportingCP96 Full Member

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    What makes you think he won’t leave? Is that the report coming from Germany? Would be good for him and Bayer if he stayed 1 more season.
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    Aloysius's Back 3 New Member

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    17 goals :eek: that's insane
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    There are only a few teams that could afford him and most of those teams have players in those positions that are good. No reports, just my own opinions.
    So just going off of that unless maybe a PSG or United fancy taking a swing I don’t see anyone else that could make it happen that would want to.
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    First teenager to score 17 goals in a single Bundesliga season. Think he had 4 assists in the league but it was 20 goals and 7 assists in all competitions.

    Some of his goals were :drool::drool:
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    Is he a CAM or a RW or a CM when it comes to the long term future role in your eyes?
    Could he play alongside Pogba if we had a complete defensive minded anchor man for example?
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    I’m not sure but my hindrance is more Pogba than Havertz @Zehner might be able to give you a better opinion than mine on that but initial impression is probably not.
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    BlueHaze Full Member

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    Yeah 17 goals for a 19 year old is actually an insane number. I can't see him going anywhere this summer but when he does inevitably go the fee will be absurdly high.
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    Havertz is the best CAM we could sign, but I'm pretty sure Fernandes is the one we are going to get (which is okay).

    I can see Bayern Munich singing Havertz, Sane, Werner, Pepe in the next to two transfer windows.
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    Havertz and Brandt both played as 8/10 hybrids under Bosz. Bosz deploys them in a very aimilar fashion to how Pep plays Bernardo, de Bruyne and Silva.

    I don't think he'd fit particularly well to Pogba. But maybe that's me as I don't like him as a player and think his style of play is like the antithesis to the system Havertz looked best in. For all his technique and strength I believe Pogba isn't a very intelligent midfielder with bad decision making.
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    @Aloysius's Back 3 what Zehner has just said is pretty much the way I’d be leaning as well as in Pogba is the problem as I think you need a guy more like Herrera who will sacrifice his game for Pogba whilst still having a DM and I just don’t think Pogba is that great in working space with others. So for me it’d be a bit of a waste of Havertz talents.

    However if we are in for Fernandes I see the same issue occurring and if we are going to plod ahead and try it I’d rather get Havertz than Fernandes and if Pogba decides to leave next year no big we have Havertz, bring in Aouar to be his partner and a good DM and we’ve improved massively.
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    Okay I see so Havertz is a technical player with a particular attacking ability that may get lose if Pogba is doing the same thing?

    I think Pogba's attacking ability is overrated and needs to concentrate the way he plays for France - a simplified game of both the dirty work and the slight flair.
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    Zehner Full Member

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    That's a very shallow analysis IMO. Havertz is more of a typical playmaker than Brandt if you ask me. Brandt's strengthes are his one twos, short passing, dribblings in tight spaces etc., but you rarely see him playing 30m key passes or switching the play. That's Havertz' resort who has an excellent passing range. In fact his role model was Mesut Özil and you see many similarities in their styles, his goal scoring coming on top of that.

    I could see Havertz being played as a false 9 though, dropping deep and making tge play but also getting a lot of opportunities and maybe even crosses since he's also a superb header of the ball.
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    When you say technical I wouldn’t say he is like a D.Silva, B.silva, Iniesta or the likes. They make the comparison in that video of bits of Ballack and Kroos. He does have a decent eye for a pass and can work patterns but for me he is probably more In the mould of a midfielder of the likes of Lampard, Ballack but he can also do a lot of the more suttle stuff like you’d see from say an Ozil or Kaka. He’s just a really promising looking player and it would be madness to not be seriously looking at him.

    I don’t think Pep for example would want him in say his system but he could probably do a job there.
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    95% of top german footballers stay in Germany now.
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    Zehner Full Member

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    Disagree. He's nothing like Lampard etc. The only similarity to Ballack is that he's remarably dangerous with his head for a midfielder and a good shot taker from outside the box. But not even in the slightest does he have Ballacks physicality and strength.

    I'd actually say he's the perfevt Pep player and that's because he flourished immensely under Bosz who plays a very similar system to Guardiola.

    I do agree he's no Bernardo or David Silva since he lacks their low center of gravity. But he's a very elegant and technical player, like Zidane, Özil, Laudrup, Iniesta, Riquelme, Cruyff or Kaka.
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    I’m not making a direct comparison with Lampard I was just using that as sort of an example of I think he is better being a bit more direct and ghosting in to the box and so on instead of the build up and passing you’d see from someone like a Silva, Iniesta and the likes.

    I think Bosz’s system might have similarities but for me I don’t think Havertz would be the typical sort of player that pep would look at and think that’s my guy. Maybe Brandt but not so much Havertz but then you’ve seen I would imagine a lot more of him than me.
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    Zehner Full Member

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    I understand that one may get this impression primarily knowing Havertz from highlights but if you regularly watch him play 90 minutes you'll see that he's actually one of those 90+% passers, not a vertical midfielder. He rarely loses possession, doesn't take many risks or shots from unlikely positions etc., prefers easy passes to move the ball around the field and so forth. Vertical or direct would be one of the last terms I'd use to describe him. He's more subtle, patient and creative. 100% sure Pep would absolutely love him.
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    This is exactly the type of player we should be going for. Get him now before he makes the move to a bigger club. And I love that he is left footed but isn't afraid to go to his right. Please sign this kid up...
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    A left footed Ballack type. I'd have this guy as Pogba's replacement if the French star leaves.....
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    Hoped there is a sudden link seeing this thread so high. :( Should be after him.

    Edit: oh, it's also in the football forum, my bad :wenger:
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    Wouldn't be surprised if he joins Bayern on a free in a few years.