I follow bundesliga And serie a religiously. Leverkusen And Dortmund games especially in the bundesliga. No need to throw crap on the wall like you have with your comments mate.this guys watched a Havertz YouTube video on repeat for 2 days and suddenly he’s a scouting expert.
Don’t worry @Open Goal I'm sure somebody will be hiring you very soon for such insightful analysis!
He's certainly nowhere near KdB right now, but he's better than KdB was at the same age - KdB was still at Genk for his age 20 season.
Thank you sir, I was just following the theme you started with your analysis.
All United fans here follow Utd yet youlll see huge arguments about relative strengths of players that everybody has seen hours of footage on.
For £80m they sure better hope he's close! I know if United were signing him he'd have to be playing like Zidane and Ballack combined.
Mate, you should quit while you're ahead. Asking that your post get stickied is cringeworthy to say the least and it's perfectly understandable that you're getting roasted for it.
I honestly believe United are underrated. I like Ole as a person, but if United had an elite manager they should be challenging for the CL trophy Next season. People talk down on Maguire a lot but him and AWB have transformed you to top 3 defenses in the world in my view. It will only get better as season go. Pochettino would be a great manager for your team and I think United should go for someone like him.
Considering City spent €75m on KdB when he was 24 & prior to PSG destroying the market with Neymar, I don't think the fee is that extortionate!
What on earth?? You think that Man United are better than all but two of Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Bayern Munich, Liverpool, Manchester City, & Sevilla? Curious to hear this argument.
I agree with it being cringeworthy, but that comes from being tired of reading arguments on here like broken records between Chelsea and United fans who have no clear idea what position Havertz even plays to begin with. Were all reading two people arguing over something theyre both wrong about to start with.
Yes, potential is there absolutely with the correct manager. Deadly attack with a strong midfield and a steel defense. Adding Sancho to the mix and absolutely they're CL contenders. Again, with the right manager emphasis.
Understandable but you'll have to build a thicker skin if you want to survive here! Don't think @Adam-Utd did anything wrong personally, just have to accept the banter.
I'm sorry but all of those teams are better defensively than Man United. Attack has nothing to do with it.
Time Vickery has a superb take on this. Oscar comes from an extremely poor background, his entire life he was striving to make it as a professional footballer not for trophies or glory but because him making it meant he could lift his entire family out of poverty for generations. To us in Western Europe, we look at this as a waste of talent, he looks at this as 100% mission accomplished. Who are we to judge tbh?
Using clean sheets and goals conceded is not the best metric of one's defensive strength in my view. I must say that the reason we have conceded less than your team is because we set up more defensive against decent opposition, hence score lines like 5-3, 4-0 3-2 are quite rare with United.
If you're coming onto a public forum, you need to understand that people will have a different opinion to you.
I think Sancho has a higher ceiling than Mbappe. Havertz probably not but that's okay, Mbappe is a monster.
I apologize if I came off that way. I am new to the forum and will try better to be wary of how I might come off to others.
Absolutely spot on. Couldn't have said it better myself to be honest.
Oh trust me mate, I'm not stupid enough to argue that Chelsea are better than United defensively. I'm just shocked that anyone can argue in good faith that United are among the 3 best sides in the world defensively - all those I listed are better I'd argue.
Bold claim - obviously I can't say definitively that you're wrong but I'd point to the relative difference in CL performances between the two. Mbappe has destroyed top class opposition dating back to his days at Monaco whilst Sancho hasn't really pulled up trees to the same extent.
I'd just take issue here - our use of 3-4-3 seems to have been born out of necessity (i.e. Kante getting injured). What stood out to me the most about our last game vs. Wolves was that we actually were in a 4-3-3 shape for most of the game - James played as an 8 more or less and Azpilicueta moved to RB.
He looks a good player but not of world class pedigree. He also looks like he excels more in a counter attacking setup rather than a possession based system of which lampard prefers the latter. The Oscar comparison is not really about style but more of the position. If you buy him for 90 million euros I’m afraid if you were to sell him down the line it would be for much less. You’re already overpaying by the looks of things. 55-60 seems a fair price.
Maybe you should first get rid of that newbie tag before worrying about your analysis being pinned.[/QUOTE]This is genuinely baffling. We sold Hazard for ~4 times what we paid for him when he was 28; the only way you can actually think we'd take a loss on Havertz at age 21 is if he flops completely. You say ~€60m is a fair price but at the same time we'd have to accept far less should we sign him for €90m - do you actually think that a prime-age Havertz at 27-28 years old would go for €60m?
Im still laughing at this. You want your opinion to be pinned as a fact?
the point is that 90 million is too high and you are overpaying. Is there any reason why you think any team would ever pay 180-270 million euros for him? Even if he was bought at 60 I don’t think he will ever be good enough to command a 120 million sale at worst.
Well no, I don't necessarily think he'll command a €200m+ fee but I just don't see how we would ever lose money on him unless he completely flops at a Torres-esque level.
I've had a few discussions on here. For me, there are three elements of quality for a football player: Technical ability, physique and decision making. With young players, the first two aspects are usually the best developed. They can improve by maturing and learning from their mistakes - that's what we call potential. But Mbappe's decision making is already brillant. His physique is obviously absolutely world class. Where he's "just" an 8/10 is his technique. Sometimes he has great plays and skill moves in him but occasionally, he stumbles over his feet, forgets the ball, has a bad touch, struggles to control the ball under pressure and so forth. Sure, that's critique at a very high level but he's compared to the likes of R9, Messi, Cristiano, Neymar, etc. and I'm not seeing that he can reach their level since all of them are at least comfortably better in terms of technique. Sancho on the other hand has brillant technique. His close control is unreal and his decision making is improving day by day. You could also see that when PSG and BVB met in the CL. Sancho completely outshone Mbappe and Neymar (although the latter just came back from a long injury break). Also, Mbappe for instance had an absolutely atrocious performance against United. He lost so many balls and came across clunky. That's why I think that he's already hit his ceiling and won't improve much further from here on. Sancho on the other hand has everything a truly, truly great player needs.
The right 8 in a 4-3-3 is his best position if you ask me. That's where his strengths unfold best. He can utilize his pressing resistance and passing ability and at the same time has opportunities to make his runs into the box and finish off attacks. He's could be great as a number 10 or false 9 since he's got the perfect skill set for those positions but so far, his best games occurred when he was played in midfield.
Pochettino sucks.
I liked Oscar very very much. I'll take another Oscar
Your analysis makes sense I'd say. I suppose the only issue I'd have is the assumption that Sancho is a 10/10 in terms of physique - obviously he's rapid, but I am not 100% convinced he's ready to cope with the physicality of the PL off the bat. Technically though I agree that he's better than Mbappe at the same age.
The idea here is that this'd be the worst case scenario for Chelsea should we sign Havertz - obviously I'd prefer that he finishes his career with us, but I just don't understand the argument that he'd represent a significant financial loss unless he's Torres-level atrocious.
Your post was insightful and I'm sure a lot of guys on here will read and apprreciate the effort. But that won't stop the wind up merchants and it won't stop the easily triggered either.
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I dont think it has anything to do with him leaving. Theyre clutching at straws in my opinion on twitter. Ill be watching it though. Good little pregame video before our final!
We are CL contenders if we buy Sancho and hire a manager who has never won the CL before? Or a meaningful trophy for that matter?
As of today, Kai will be 3rd best AM in the league behind KDB (best in the world) and Bruno (super stats for 3 seasons now).
This is a tired cliche. Leagues go in cycles in terms of strength, and strength begets strength.
Poch almost won the CL with a weaker team 12 months back and he has never won any trophy.
