Kaka was responsible that a team of pensioners won the CL he did this singlehanded. For me the best player in the world
Kaka
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This is just my belef of course, but i would not think it right for a player who has only snone in domestic competition to win eitehr of these awards. It would have to be a rare brilliance indeed, whether they pligh their trade in England, Spain or Italy.
Absolute bollocks.
It was a combination of many players, Gattuso as much as anyone. Granted he was brilliant in many of the games, Champions League form alone is not enough for such an award.
the Liga is regarded as the hardest league to play in?
don't be daft. i've read several interviews in which professional players themselves admit that teh Prem is by far the toughest league to play in. i recall Puyol of all people saying this after Chelsea had 'roughed them up' last season.
also, Kanoute and lately Dudek were giving interviews in the Spanish press about the fact that in the Liga, it is easier to play since you are allowed a lot of space and time to express yourself. moreover, the refs allow a far lower level of contact...
tactically, Liga is on a par with the Prem. teams mostly prefer to attack rather than defend, with a few exceptions, such as Valencia.
Serie A, however, is a different kettle of fish.
i remember last season before our games vs Roma, Spalletti was saying that 'our league is more technical than theirs, so we should have a great chance of beating them'....very ignorant words, when you consider the evolution of the Prem over the past decade or so. of course we shoved them right back down his throat, and rightly so, since we taught him an important lesson.
it is a hackneyed Italian position, one not even Milan adopted. they recognised at once that we have very technical players, who, in Ancelotti's words 'play and let the other team play'...
precisely. people here are jumping on press-fuelled hyperbole to re-write history.
Gattusso and Pirlo were important ingredients in Milan's victories. Ambrosini as well played much better than he has over the past five or so seasons, so much so that he is now almost an automatic selection.
the Liga is regarded as the hardest league to play in?
don't be daft. i've read several interviews in which professional players themselves admit that teh Prem is by far the toughest league to play in. i recall Puyol of all people saying this after Chelsea had 'roughed them up' last season.
also, Kanoute and lately Dudek were giving interviews in the Spanish press about the fact that in the Liga, it is easier to play since you are allowed a lot of space and time to express yourself. moreover, the refs allow a far lower level of contact...
Gravesen too wasn't all that complimentary when playing in La Liga as i recall.
Thierry Henry will probably win it, him or Ronaldinho
I never knew that Milan only played one game in the Champions League....
Inzaghi scored twice, does that make him a contender? Kaka was also largely anonymous in the final until his assist. Mascherano seemed to make sure of that.
the Liga is regarded as the hardest league to play in?
don't be daft. i've read several interviews in which professional players themselves admit that teh Prem is by far the toughest league to play in. i recall Puyol of all people saying this after Chelsea had 'roughed them up' last season.
also, Kanoute and lately Dudek were giving interviews in the Spanish press about the fact that in the Liga, it is easier to play since you are allowed a lot of space and time to express yourself. moreover, the refs allow a far lower level of contact...
tactically, Liga is on a par with the Prem. teams mostly prefer to attack rather than defend, with a few exceptions, such as Valencia.
Serie A, however, is a different kettle of fish.
i remember last season before our games vs Roma, Spalletti was saying that 'our league is more technical than theirs, so we should have a great chance of beating them'....very ignorant words, when you consider the evolution of the Prem over the past decade or so. of course we shoved them right back down his throat, and rightly so, since we taught him an important lesson.
it is a hackneyed Italian position, one not even Milan adopted. they recognised at once that we have very technical players, who, in Ancelotti's words 'play and let the other team play'...
I'm actually not going to bother addressing you point for point as I don't have either the time or patience, clearly you do not understand the differance between perception and truth. Iam not saying that la liga is harder to play in than the prem, I am saying that it is seen by many on the continent as harder to play in and that is the point.
It does not matter what you think about la liga as you don't hand out awards. You only have to look at the fact that alot of people used to say that Messi would not make it in the prem because he is too lightweight and would get "kicked and muscled out of most games". This is the perception of the premiership, as a league that embraces overly physical play at the expense of technical ability.
That is not a tag that gets changed overnight so even when you have a player playing beautifull technical football at the top of he's game he gets tarnished by the league itself. La liga is seen by most within Europe as a more technicallly minded league than the prem if you asked most coaches around the game to list leagues in order of technical ability(required) Serie A would be first closely followed by la liga and perhaps england would come third with Germany to follow.
It just a question of perception, not reality and until that changes you will not see a player winning european player of the year based solely on Premiership performances. lets not forget that alot of British academies still turn down players because they are "not big enough".
have i not already stated that a lot of people within the game reckon that it is harder to play in the Prem than it is in the Liga? - i've even cited who just to illustrate my point. it's not just i who think these things, but people who have actually played in both leagues, or whose opinion (e.g. Puyol) counts for much.
incidentally, Baptista, just to add to that, was in the press recently, saying that it is harder to score in the Prem since (his words not mine): 'the defenders there are far more athletic than in Spain'. of course he may just be making excuses, but when a fair few players who've seen action in both leagues come out with the same thing, then there's more than a grain of truth to it.
of course the Liga is seen as more technical than the Prem. only a fool would argue otherwise. but let's not forget the initial point you made: that the Liga is more difficult to play in than the Prem, which is quite ludicrous really.
Henry was a joy to watch in the Prem, and the fact he didn't win it at least once is more an indictment of the award than of the league. same goes for Maldini.
The european footballer of the year is voted for by European journalists, not footballers, hence why the opinions of Puyol, Baptista and any other footballers don't actually matter.
I also at no point said that la liga is the hardest league to play in so you really need to stop misquoting me, I said that it is perceived as a harder league to play in. That will not change no matter how many players suggest otherwise, when a greater percentage of English teams outside of the traditional big four make an impact on europe then it just might.
You should read a copy of World soccer magazine(their journalists do vote for world player of the year) The prem is still seen by them as a money rich league devoid of tactical depth and characterised by physical challenges and comical defending all of which leads to exciting but largely untechnical football. Its not footballers opinions that need to change its journalists.
For what its worth I still think that Ronaldo has still yet to show anywhere near the same importance to united in europe that Kaka shows for Milan on the same stage and so according to the rules he will never win the european footballer of the year until either he performs for us in the CL on a regular basis or leads portugal to an European/world cup.
Sorry but I don't make the rules I just explain them.
I'm assuming you mispelled or wrote ther wrong words but just in case laliga is not considered a harder league espically when compared to the epl....
laliga prides itself on flair, technique and passing and the general play is attack first,defenders or midfielders hardly run at your throat or hack your legs, if you have the ball you'll be given time to pass it or encouraged to take on the player,so if you've got good technique you'll excel well which hardly warrantes it as a hard league.Why don't you look at Messi's goal agasint levante,he gets the ball near the peanlty area,dribbles well but at no point the defender even shows the slightest idea that he is going to make a tackle, granted messi probably left him mesmerised but as he found out agasint liverpool you'll hardly get an oppurtunity to take on a player here,it's hard work and team ethic that comes first in the epl which makes it the toughest league in the world by far.
Kaka scored seven goals for Milan against fairly weal opposition, look at who Milan had in their group, then they had Celtic who put up a spirited resolve but ultimately were knocked out by a superior Milan and it wasn't until Milan played us that Kaka was pretty damn good. In fact, he was Milan's only offensive player in the first match at OT, he scored a very good first goal then made the second all himself (with a bit of help from Evra who took out the one we don't speak of who used to wear number 4 for us), then in the second he scored again but Seedorf was better in that match, so was Ambrosini.
Ronaldo should be European Player of the Year!
Ronaldo should be European Player of the Year!
The Ballon D'Or is given to the best Eurpean player over the past 12 months.
Kaka had only the CL to focus on and did quite well in that competition whereas Ronaldo had the CL, the League and the domestic cup to focus on, he got to the finals of the domestic cup, the semi-finals of the CL and won the league, overall he was much more consistent than Kaka over three competitions whereas the Brazilian was consistent in just one of the competitions, for that reason Ronaldo should win the award.
Messi was injured for 4 months last season, otherwise he would've had a great chance of winning it this year. Some of his performances in the last campagin where absolutely sensational.
Kaka had only the CL to focus on and did quite well in that competition whereas Ronaldo had the CL, the League and the domestic cup to focus on, he got to the finals of the domestic cup, the semi-finals of the CL and won the league, overall he was much more consistent than Kaka over three competitions whereas the Brazilian was consistent in just one of the competitions, for that reason Ronaldo should win the award.
Messi was injured for 4 months last season, otherwise he would've had a great chance of winning it this year. Some of his performances in the last campagin where absolutely sensational.
And Ronaldo couldn't even score against fairly weak opposition in Europe last season!
Kaka scored 10 goals in Europe last season, no matter what you said its still impressive for any players! Kaka was a European winner with 10 goals and Ronaldo was a disappointment in biggest stage last season (CL semi and FA cup final etc) although he was untouchable in the league. Usually the biggest award is judged on the biggest stage too(World Cup, Euro Cup, CL etc).
Kaka should win it.
If the trophy is decided on Champions League alone, then perhaps, but Ronaldo killed it in the league and cup comps last season, every cnut had a poor FA Cup Final, it was dire, but he contributed with goals and assists in the cup along the way, and Ronaldo did assist in Europe and managed to score two, Rooney only scored four, how many did Inzaghi score, probably two but that twat will be remembered as the match winner.
It should be Ronaldo, and you should change your username to 'Kaka-cocksucker'
Lol You should change your name to 'Ronaldo-cocksucker' too.
The trophy is always decided on biggest stage such as World Cup, Euro Cup and Champions League, I am surprise if you don't know that one. If it is decided on domestic league and cups games, then Ronaldo might win it.
well there was no fecking World Cup in 2007 was there, and if there was merit from the last one involved, then Ronaldo played very well in that, despite being a bad diving cnut, a lot more than Kaka played although he scored a decent goal versus Croatia. And if the qulaifiers for Portugal that have been played come into account, then Ronaldo almost always plays well for Portugal, Kaka misses a lot of games for Brazil.
Change your name you, you should be backing up the fella you're named after, not sucking on Kaka's peen-eye. Sluuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrppp!!!
As was aldready pointed out Ronaldo had his focus on 3 competitions in which he placed major focus in the epl to help us.... kaka had just one.... Ronaldo was captaining his national side and scoring goals for them on a consistent basis while kaka` didnt even bother playing for his country in the copa america....
Ronaldo was mam marked,double marked and even thriple marked throughout the season wheras they hardly man-marked in the seria....
and more importantly people keep forgetting Ronaldo had a certain gattuso up his ass everytime he got the ball,kaka was allowed to float everywhere on the pitch,you just have to see the fianl where kaka` was man-marked out of the game by mascherano.....
i know its easier to compare players when the play in the same stage agasint each other but ronaldo played in counter-attacking team that had lost its zigger.
I'm assuming you mispelled or wrote ther wrong words but just in case laliga is not considered a harder league espically when compared to the epl....
laliga prides itself on flair, technique and passing and the general play is attack first,defenders or midfielders hardly run at your throat or hack your legs, if you have the ball you'll be given time to pass it or encouraged to take on the player,so if you've got good technique you'll excel well which hardly warrantes it as a hard league.Why don't you look at Messi's goal agasint levante,he gets the ball near the peanlty area,dribbles well but at no point the defender even shows the slightest idea that he is going to make a tackle, granted messi probably left him mesmerised but as he found out agasint liverpool you'll hardly get an oppurtunity to take on a player here,it's hard work and team ethic that comes first in the epl which makes it the toughest league in the world by far.
I haven't misspelled or wrote the wrong word the problem is that you don't understand the meaning of the word perceived or the concept of perception. None of your opinions given above matter as those are your opinions, and as i've pointed out in my last three or four post on this subject the european player of the year is voted for by journalists who honestly believe that both serie A and la liga are technically and tactically superior to the prem.
So once again i'll try to simplify it for you your opinion will only count when you vote for european player of the year. As for the Messi goal you talked about he could do that against any mid table prem side on he's day the fact is he didn't do it against a top four la liga side.
PS: look up the word perceived in a dictionary, it will further your understanding of the english language.
Ok so he had a bad game in the Milan derby, what about the other 30 games he played in? C.Ronaldo didn't have great games against us, Chelsea or Liverpool last season, how come you don't point those out? Apart from one game against Roma his CL form wasn't that great either. Kaka scored 8 goals last season in the league and I don't even know how many he set up and that means he had a decent return of goals per game. In the big games Kaka showed up, he destroyed your lot and against Liverpool set up the second goal and won the freekick for the first. Towards the end of last season Ronaldo was starting to run out of steam and Rooney hitting form at the right time was crucial in your lot winning the title.
But you simply can not discard the fact that Ronaldo played in a team which was in top form in the league that wasn't the case with Milan and like I said they were always struggling from day one in the league, lost Sheva so a challenge for the league title was never on in the first place.
Kaka's form in the league was mediocre regardless of their point deductions and this was in part due to his and Milan's sole concentration on the CL, whether they could put on a realistic title challenge is also irrelevant as they wouldn't have had to start with points deficit if they hadn't cheated in the first place.
Sheva's loss shouldn't be a factor as Milan got Ronaldo de Lima whereas United lost RVN but got no replacements!
Looking for such factors as excuses for Kaka's mediocre form in the league and Coppa Italia doesn't help as you could also look at similar mitigating factos in Ronaldo's case, for example against Milan, United had a complete make-shift back four and their squad was riddled with injuries to their first defenders and they had to play for three major competitions whereas Milan could afford to rest the likes of Kaka, Seedorf, Pirlo and Gattuso in preparation for the CL games. United couldn't as they had their focus on 3 competitons, and even then they managed to get to the semi-finals of the CL which isn't bad. Another factor that you could look at is the fact that Ronaldo is a winger, yet he got 23 goals and 20 assists for United from a wide position, whereas Kaka is the focal point of Milan's attack yet his figures aren't as impressive (18 goals and 9 assists) despite playing in a more advanced position in attack. His form for his national side has also been better than Kaka's in the past 12 months, etc.
All in all, Ronaldo's form was much more consistent over three major competitions whereas Kaka's form was consistent in only one, hence Ronaldo deserves it more.
There is only one clear winner; Fillipo Inzaghi.
For around four months last at the start of this year, Ronaldo was the world's most in form, and best player. His form tailed off at the end of last season, and he's currently gradually playing himself back into form. Ronaldo won us the league. Exceptional season considering how at the start of the season he was a hate figure in England.
Kaka for me played well in a few Champions League matches, notably against our make-shift defense, but was average in Serie A. He won the "Kaka V Ronaldo" match in the Champions League match against us though, mainly due to Ronaldo being doubled up on, Kaka playing against a make-shift defense, Kaka being rested whilst Ronaldo was jaded etc. Kaka was a huge reason for Milan's Champions League victory.
Totti played brilliantly all season for Roma in the league, but went missing when it counted in the Champions League.
Messi is currently in sensational form for Barcelona, and for me he is the most talented player on the planet. However had a fairly quiet season last season.
Since these kind of awards are usually given to players who won the big trophies (see Cannavaro) I would say Kaka is a big contender to win having won the CL, even though for me Ronaldo is just as deserving a winner, having been in sensational form for a consistent period of time.
I would not like the Ballon D'Or to go to Totti, simply because he has always had the talent to perform like he has done in the past 12 months, but has underperformed for a long time, and I do not feel he should be given the award for finally performing how he should have been for years. He also tends to go missing in big games, i.e. 7-1 and for his country.
Messi's great form is too recent, unsustained and unsupported by trophies to win the award.
Kaka for me played well in a few Champions League matches, notably against our make-shift defense, but was average in Serie A. He won the "Kaka V Ronaldo" match in the Champions League match against us though, mainly due to Ronaldo being doubled up on, Kaka playing against a make-shift defense, Kaka being rested whilst Ronaldo was jaded etc. Kaka was a huge reason for Milan's Champions League victory.
Totti played brilliantly all season for Roma in the league, but went missing when it counted in the Champions League.
Messi is currently in sensational form for Barcelona, and for me he is the most talented player on the planet. However had a fairly quiet season last season.
Since these kind of awards are usually given to players who won the big trophies (see Cannavaro) I would say Kaka is a big contender to win having won the CL, even though for me Ronaldo is just as deserving a winner, having been in sensational form for a consistent period of time.
I would not like the Ballon D'Or to go to Totti, simply because he has always had the talent to perform like he has done in the past 12 months, but has underperformed for a long time, and I do not feel he should be given the award for finally performing how he should have been for years. He also tends to go missing in big games, i.e. 7-1 and for his country.
Messi's great form is too recent, unsustained and unsupported by trophies to win the award.
It's hard to hate the guy ...
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IMO, he deserved it. Ronaldo's league performances definitely puts him in a tight second place, but it was the CL that might seal it for Kaka. I think Messi will be the winner next year though.
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IMO, he deserved it. Ronaldo's league performances definitely puts him in a tight second place, but it was the CL that might seal it for Kaka. I think Messi will be the winner next year though.
so is european player of the year just for europeans or people who play in europe.
If so Ronaldo can't lose.
If so Ronaldo can't lose.
Totti?
Well feck my old boots, who'd have thunk it?
Yep. Totti was fantastic last year. Scored some unreal goals for Roma.
At the end of the day though, no-one came close to Ronaldo.
Ballon d'Or is given to any player plying their trade in Europe, Ronaldinho won it a couple of years ago, so it is very likely that another Brazilian will win it this year even though, Ronaldo is the more worthy candidate.
Seriously, what is goin' on with this lad? He's never going to get back into that Madrid side if things carry on as they are.
Is he fit yet?
EDIT: Sao Paulo team doctor Rene Atala believes Kaka needs further surgery on his knee to be fully confident the injury is cleaned up, says Cadena Ser .
Is he fit yet?
EDIT: Sao Paulo team doctor Rene Atala believes Kaka needs further surgery on his knee to be fully confident the injury is cleaned up, says Cadena Ser .
He's just not going to replace Ozil.
Great player back in the day.
Great player back in the day.
He hasn't trained with the team for the past couple of weeks - no return date and rumours of more surgery. Basically he's been injured for two years now and hasn't really played for Madrid since November 2009
Biggest waste of money of all time up to this point.