Kobbie Mainoo (out)

Regulus Arcturus Black said:
No-one is paying 100m for Mainoo so it’s a silly if.
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Funnily enough I heard from a CFO of a football agency that Chelsea wanted to do this in the next summer window :lol:

I didn't pay any attention to it, but it was well before any Mainoo exit talk was reported.
 
As a reminder, just in case anyone forgot..

The problem isn't Mainoo being greedy, the problem is the culture that the Glazers have set - where the only thing that matters is money.

I guarantee that if there was a culture of everyone in it together where the players thought it was their salary demands that were forcing us to cut the dinner ladies, then they'd be more lenient and forgiving I'm sure.

But when they see the Glazers rinse every penny possible out of the club, why wouldn't the players also just wanna do the same thing too? I know I would - I'd rinse the Glazers for whatever I could get out of them, just like Mainoo is doing.
 
If he does not accept 60k, then sell him in the summer. Enough of giving stupid contacts.
 
Cassidy said:
Because they are crazy. Even if he was not injured a lot 120k is about the limit and I would even say too high for what he was achieved thus far.
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120k at his age after the season he's had is too high as far as I'm concerned. Maybe if it was the upper limit he could achieve with bonuses, and with the extra 25% for being in the CL, it would be acceptable.

He deserves more than £20k a week obviously, but there doesn't seem to be much logic or consistency with regard to the wages our young players are reportedly on:

Dorgu: £40k
Garnacho: £50k
Hojlund: £85k
Zirkzee: £105k
Yoro: £115k
Amad: £120k
 
Remember the geese said:
You're delusional if you think that is a realistic wage for Mainoo.
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We're one of the highest grossing clubs in the world, as we never tire of telling people. Mainoo started the European Championship final and scored the winner in the FA Cup final at 19 and now he's supposed to fall over himself to accept a long term deal on the same level of pay as a West Ham substitute :confused:
 
Kobbie scored the equaliser in the dying minutes of one of the most entertaining and dramatic games in the last 50 years - less than 48 hours ago.

And yet... every post is about his contract.

Times have changed.
 
cpresc said:
Kobbie scored the equaliser in the dying minutes of one of the most entertaining and dramatic games in the last 50 years - less than 48 hours ago.

And yet... every post is about his contract.

Times have changed.
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To be fair this is his transfer thread not his performance thread.
 
cpresc said:
Kobbie scored the equaliser in the dying minutes of one of the most entertaining and dramatic games in the last 50 years - less than 48 hours ago.

And yet... every post is about his contract.

Times have changed.
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You are not in his performance thread but in his transfer thread. It would be strange if the vast majority of posts weren't about his contract.
 
witchtrials said:
It doesn't really seem useful to think to think about his agent using anything as a stick to beat the club.

The simple fact is that the player and his agent will be looking to get the best deal they can from the club and one of the most relevant factors in this will be what other members of the first team squad get paid. That isn't about Mainoo or his agent criticising the club, it is about reaching a deal that represents slotting into the payscale at a level that he feels reflects his value.

I don't think anyone has suggested that Mainoo is demanding parity with Mount or Casemiro. But one of the questions that Mainoo and his agent will probably reasonably be asking is: is Mount's contribution over the next couple of years expected to be so much greater than Mainoo's that it's reasonable for Mount to be paid 2.5 times more than Mainoo?

I'm a bit perplexed over the revisionism over Mainoo's quality. Sometimes it feels like I imagined that that he was a key part of our midfield last season, that he was player of the match in beating City in the cup final, that he was widely acknolwdged to be one of the most promising players to emerge from our academy since the Class of '92 and that he forced his way into the England midfield, and was a starter in the Euro '24 final which England only narrowly lost.

The way people talk about him sometimes it's as if he has put in a couple of promising sub appearances.
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These days there's so many moving parts in a deal that no one knows where it might go wrong. There's the player of course, his agents, his sponsors and his mates. On the other hand there's the club, the accountants, the Sporting director, PR and the manager. Then there's the basic pay, bonuses and clauses to take in account. For example Onana was stunned with the 25% pay cut imposed in his contract if United doesn't make it into Europe. God only knows at which stage the deal is agreed. For all we know it might already been agreed and United PR are waiting for the right moment to bring it to the public. It could also be the case that the player had already made his mind up and he wants to leave or he's asking a salary of a first teamer and the manager doesn't him ready for that role yet which in turn is stalling things up.

All I can say is this. Mainoo has its set of skills and his set of weaknesses. He's got great talent but he can't play as a no first team no 8 in an Amorim system (or at least not yet) and he's been too injured to really test him as a no 10 (which in my opinion is his future role). Comparing him to Mount is unfair and irrelevant. First of all because everyone knows that such deals were stupid to start with and is something INEOS are trying to get rid off. Secondly we didn't pay Mount that salary to spend most of his career in the treatment room. We brought him here to be a key player. That salary reflects that. I am pretty sure that if INEOS were given the choice between giving 100k a week to Mainoo and get rid of Mount (and have those 50m back) then they'll choose the former.

I understand the posturing. He's negotiating a deal after all and TBF this is a good time to do it. The club is at an all time low so the club will be desperate for some positive PR + a number of high earners are leaving which in turn would free some cash. However its also true that United's finances aren't great, that Mainoo is not a first teamer yet and that he spent most of this year injured. Considering that he's still has a long contract ahead then he shouldn't really push too far
 
Red in STL said:
Must be a lot of Spurs fans in Cheadle, there's another kid in the background with the same kit on!
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Sometimes small clubs use kits of professional clubs. In this case the entire kit is Tottenham's away kit from 1996.
 
dubplate warrior said:
Yeah I'm not sure about that.
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Not sure about what? He has not earned a > 100k per week salary. Compared to Garnacho, he has not contributed more, they are approximately at the same level. To get 100k he must produce Amad level.

What's wrong with this?
 
Giggsyking said:
Not sure about what? He has not earned a > 100k per week salary. Compared to Garnacho, he has not contributed more, they are approximately at the same level. To get 100k he must produce Amad level.

What's wrong with this?
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Mainoo has done much more for us than Amad :lol:
 
dubplate warrior said:
100k for Mainoo sounds about right imo. Him, Amad and Yoro can command that kind of salary.
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I think it is not crazy money and it is manageable, I do not think he totally deserve it yet. But I understand him asking crazy money, watching average players we bought from other clubs (whom are never available) earn 250k must feel unfair for him.
 
I'd suggest anyone to try and get the best possible contract as long as they're part of the same capitalist system, no matter if they perform or don't. We don't exactly live in a meritocratic version of it and I don't see why he should be ruled out of Glazer (or any entrepeneur, basically) money. Sure, I get it should not lead to disturbances in hierarchy in case that's a main asset of your club, but I'd love it if my agent got me a better contract. I might need to change jobs and I sure hope that the money at the least doesn't get worse, especially since most of the jobs currently available to me aren't my passions. I hope for Mainoo that football comes closer to that feeling for him, but since he works for a very corporate club in a very commercial entertainment system, I don't see why it's bad he asks whatever he's asking.

Whether he should get it from the club and if it's good for their future is another thing, but that's why there's discussions to reach agreements. There's a reason the number one tip when getting into salary discussions is to ask for more than you're expecting to get. Who knows, maybe you're lucky. In the end, outside of having lost their private lives and since the internet having to deal with public backlashes (even) more directly, there's no ethical reason why a good football player deserves more money than a bad one. Or why someone good at trading deserves more money than someone who sits in their room writing poetry.

Football players get a lot of money because this is an entertainment business. But Harvey Weinstein isn't the reason I watched Inglorious Bastards. But I'm pretty sure at the time there's a good one he was the richest name attached to the project. Just like I'd rather watch Mainoo kick a ball than this old guy who buys shares to increase his assets and asks his communications department to write a speech that makes it sounds like he's doing it all out of love for the club.

Again, for the future United has to make a balance and follow this up with well thought out decisions, amongst which how much they want to increase the job offer's benefits. But I'll never blame Mainoo and others for aiming high.

Personally I don't care (enough) about money (on its own) to be able to hard ball in talks like this, plus I would like to have some certainty about my future if possible, so I'd probably act differently if I got an amount that's already insane (I already make more than I expected two years ago, and I don't even want to calculate what the difference is between mine and Mainoo's current income :lol:

Besides, what if he invests this money in more ethical fields than these owners and investors would? Why not support such a move? Am I not capitalist enough to support the big guys as much as I should? I really don't get it.

I have no idea what he'll do with his money, but I know a bit more of what people like Musk do, and then I'd rather take the gamble with supporting this teen, that I don't know besides highlights, a few games and occasionally using him in my eFootball team, honestly.
 
Red in STL said:
He's 19, of course he's not ready, how many 19 year old midfield players have you ever seen who were ready?
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Not many. But if he is asking for high wages as reported, not many 19 year olds will do as well..
If he is not asking for high wages, then it is a no brainer for the club.
 
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