Not sure he can press like they did tonight, watching Kobbie run is hard and he gets beat physically too.
Kobbie Mainoo (out)
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We need a duel so I can be the one.
Was inevitable we was going to be in the same thread at some point, surprised it took this long.
Why'd you go with Frank white if you don't mind me asking?
Was thoroughly confused why Frank White disagreed with me after I agreed with Frank White
Was thoroughly confused why Frank White disagreed with me after I agreed with Frank White
ffs... My bad.He can improve his physicality, and I think he needs to if he's to reach his potential. I'd hate to see him sold, but on the other hand we can't he handing out mental contracts anymore. Hopefully we reach a compromise and get him bedded into this team.
There's two frank whites? Wtf
Not at all, he wouldn't get close. However looking at the stats psg's distance travelled was very low.
Was thoroughly confused why Frank White disagreed with me after I agreed with Frank White
Whether he had protection or not wasn't the question. You basically claimed he's incapable of being a good CM.
He played next to Rice, who's obviously very good, behind Foden as a 10. Don't really see how he had exceptional protection.
Bellingham rather than Foden, sorry
Yeah I’d say that’s a fair range. Those saying £60m+ are delusional unfortunately.
For Kobbie to stay, he has to commit himself to improving his engine over the course of the summer. That's the tell. I think we need a DM and a striker, so we can sign those two positions now and wait to see how fit Mainoo becomes when preseason starts before looking at another AM
He has to get in the lab this summer. Not just working on his engine but on his passing too
It's not as easy as that, look at what he wants as wages if we are to believe the reports
Can we give him that money and the time to develop?
Can a player massively improve their pace
As it stands he cannot play as part of the two in the middle for Manchester United
You should not believe the reports
No one can really play in the 2 for United because the composition of the squad is poor Mainoo can play in a 2 next to the right player but he does need to improve as a player
My memory is a bit blurry, but the UEFA website have England lining up like this in the semifinal. Can't remember Mainoo having any issues here
All true but now the issue is what he wants as compensation while we wait for him to become that player.
If his demands are true as the reports suggest then we have to sell
If his demands are true as the reports suggest then we have to sell
Or there isn’t an issue. Its not like Chelsea would pay him 180k a week.
If he leaves its more likely to do with not trusting the club rebuild
Yeah that's why I sign posted that bit, as much as we all post here we are never in the know
I'm against keeping Amorim, I think it just doesn't fit the long-term vision of the club. I want Mainoo to stay and I think he will. There's tons of other players we can sell before him. Our academy isn't designed to produce players who function with 3 at the back.
And even then we are already short on quality midfielders in the club, we'd have to spend money on replacing Mainoo who can't guarantee a similar production. If we were targeting someone in the midfield who can guarantee results it'd be different conversation but there's no one out there that can for a decent price. Selling him for 50-60 and then buying someone for that same price does nothing but put us in a worse financial situation down the line. We'd just be papering the cracks with having to sell someone every year to offset our finances. The goal of the club financially should be to use our academy to produce players so we don't spend 100M+ every summer.
Making too many definitive statements about a player in his second season in senior football and who suffered multiple injuries. Lets see how he does after a summer off hopefully staying fit.
Amorim barely played him at all and when he did it wasn't in midfield, it's clear this manager sees him as expendable especially when he played him at the 10 and this is the position we are allegedly recruiting for harder than other positions
Lots of really good CMs had to play 10 before learning to play in a 2
Selling him and Bruno in the same summer, christ alive what a shit show that would be.
I've zero interest in Mainoo leaving, I can make my peace with Bruno, it would be sad, but Mainoo going would be sad for a whole host of reasons.
I'm hoping its contract nonsense, if we're really going to happily sell a brilliant young talent, I just will feel more and more disconnected from this club.
I've zero interest in Mainoo leaving, I can make my peace with Bruno, it would be sad, but Mainoo going would be sad for a whole host of reasons.
I'm hoping its contract nonsense, if we're really going to happily sell a brilliant young talent, I just will feel more and more disconnected from this club.
But that's the point he didn't play him as a 10 either, he just didn't pick him at all in any position really
And its his second season in senior football
Kobbie's biggest problem is that he has no forward or diagonal pass at all, and when I say he has none, I quite literally mean it. He's absolutely allergic to a forward pass of any kind. Doesn't play a through-ball, doesn't play a long diagonal, doesn't play a pass on the floor forwards to a striker's feet. If it's not a lay-off, sideways or a back pass it's just not happening, and I have no idea why. I could accept, at his age, that he attempted some reckless or immature forward passes, because at least that'd show some ambition, but it's just none at all.
Amorim has to have a talk with him and get into the kid's head that if you can't at least attempt a progressive pass then you're not going to improve. He's really good at specific things like carrying in small areas and crafting some shooting chances for himself, but he's not got the persistent goal or creative threat to play no.10, and he's not got any pass on him to play at CM. To drive this home, Ugarte is more ambitious in his pass selection. Ugarte.
Amorim has to have a talk with him and get into the kid's head that if you can't at least attempt a progressive pass then you're not going to improve. He's really good at specific things like carrying in small areas and crafting some shooting chances for himself, but he's not got the persistent goal or creative threat to play no.10, and he's not got any pass on him to play at CM. To drive this home, Ugarte is more ambitious in his pass selection. Ugarte.
This is a damning indicement. You make him sound like Neil 'bloody' Lennon.
He's really struggled this season but he's 20 so that's only natural for a young player, not to mention the absolute car crash that our club has been this year.
Hardly. He has good general technique and he may well have a pass in him, but he never attempts it, and that's an issue with him mentally, because if he's not even looking for those passes, then it's going to hamper his development.
He can't just be content with 3-4 yard pass and move. He has to challenge himself to expand his range.
In this moment in time his passing range is limited, that alone wouldn’t have been a problem if he was very athletic with a reasonable pace. But since he lacks pace and stamina than if you are a technical player that alone makes you very limited and dependent on other players or to put it more bluntly a luxury player. Utd unfortunately are in need of athleticism, pace and players with stamina to put a proper shift in. Would love for him to improve his stamina for the next season so utd can keep him, always love an academy player rising up to a challenge.
I would be sad if he leaves because he doesn't fit the manager's "style of play". He is an extremely talented youngster and one of the best on the ball I have seen come out of the academy. He had a bad second season and needs further development, especially his passing, but he has the tools to become an excellent player. And I think he has the desire too. He has been caught in injuries and this "where does he fit in this formation" nonsense. I am pretty confident that he would be very good in any three man midfield as the most advanced midfielder and will move in the two later in his career. We shouldn't let him go.
Greenwood, Garnacho, Rashford, Kobbie - these are the most talented bunch of youngsters to come out of the academy in recent years and it's depressing to think that none of them could be here come next season. They should have formed the core of our next great team. Unfortunately, the club is caught in this vicious shit cycle that we are not able to nurture them and harness their talent to our full advantage (except Greenwood, which is a different story altogether).
Greenwood, Garnacho, Rashford, Kobbie - these are the most talented bunch of youngsters to come out of the academy in recent years and it's depressing to think that none of them could be here come next season. They should have formed the core of our next great team. Unfortunately, the club is caught in this vicious shit cycle that we are not able to nurture them and harness their talent to our full advantage (except Greenwood, which is a different story altogether).
That’s my main problem with him too. The athleticism stuff is overstated — slower and physically weaker midfielders than Mainoo have excelled and will continue to do so. The problem has been the progressive nature of his passes.
I think it’s a solvable solution, though.
I really liked him the season before last and for England but he's been kinda wank this last season.
Not sure I'd be picking him in midfield ahead of Lavia, Enzo or Caicedo and I think the club has plans to use Andrey Santos next season.
These Chelsea links look like contract negotiation stuff to my jaded eyes.
Not sure I'd be picking him in midfield ahead of Lavia, Enzo or Caicedo and I think the club has plans to use Andrey Santos next season.
These Chelsea links look like contract negotiation stuff to my jaded eyes.
We’ll get the same problem with our youth and them not fitting Amorims ‘system’ as long as he’s here as our academies play a different way.
Already Garnacho doesn’t fit as he’s a winger and now mainoo doesn’t fit as he’s not a ten and not a dm
Already Garnacho doesn’t fit as he’s a winger and now mainoo doesn’t fit as he’s not a ten and not a dm
Garnacho played an inordinate amount of minutes for a player who doesn't fit. He just didn't deliver nor improve on the obvious aspects such as looking to set up teammates more and in this financial situation we find ourselves in, he has become dispensable.
Mainoo has contract issues and his demands don't match the player he is currently whilst there is a lot of work on his part to become that player. He also suffered an injury that kept him out for several weeks, so it's not only about fitting in but also about the club protecting value because if we don't sell now, our negotiating power only weakens from here on in.
There is also the small matter of needing money to fund a rebuild after the ETH/Murtough disasterclass. The physical and technical demands of this league aren't peculiar to Amorim, we will need Kobie to more athletic if he is going to play midfield for us plus we also need the security of a long term contract of we are going to be with him whilst he irons out his issues.
On one hand he’s very silky on the ball and is cold in front of goal. On the other his passing range is very limited and he has awful pace and stamina. Personally I don’t think he’s cut out of the premier league long term. The things he’s bad at you can’t teach - he’s not suddenly going to get a couple of extra yards of pace
I think that's more or less it. He's potentially a very good player, but to my eyes in the wrong system and, more importantly, the wrong league. I think he'd fit well in a barca-style 4-3-3
That said, there's probably something to be said for giving him a full pre-season, working on his weaknesses and bringing him along gradually next season, more as a rotation option.