Sorry I got the dates wrong. 1993 was the Jordan Chandler situation, but it was also the year when he merged with Sony. The later 2003 allegations were set up by Sony, which he and his lawyer both believed.
Dude was married to Mariah Carey at one point as well.
I think the above verse from Cherchez la Ghost is about exactly that.
Fecking hell, how thick are you? I don't think you have any idea what we are debating. You've been all over the place and contradicted yourself multiple times.
Just try to remember to get consent if you ever have sex with someone, ok?
Why is it always objectively thick people who say this? Projection?
So there’s zero actual evidence that Sony manufactured fake abuse allegations against MJ.
The timing of his dispute with Sony and the allegations were too convenient. Plus the mother of G Alvaro who made the 2003 allegations was reported to have industry connections
Evidence is important now? Wow.
Apparently only when it serves our agenda.
Funny you should say that because there’s more evidence that he didn’t do it than the opposite
You were the one demanding evidence on MJ's sexual offences and then weren't concerned about proof when you were throwing your accusation at Sony.
I’m not invested in the MJ guilty or not saga, just found it amusing you went from claiming an evidence-free conspiracy theory as fact in one post before demanding proof from @oates on a related matter a couples of posts after.
You perhaps need to check out who was having what convo with who.
So do you guys think it’s a coincidence that the accusations happened so soon after his fall out with Sony? With Janet Alvaro (mother of the accuser) reportedly having industry links, and had in fact made accusations previously on others in the music industry? Because I think that’s proof in itself.
You were the one demanding proof, now you are making accusations without proof. It's laughable but I have no further interest in talking about Michael Jackson.
You are not alone
I like Kobe and love basketball but upon reading the victim's testimony and his apology after, I believe he raped her and was fortunate not to go to jail. The situation is sad and emphasizes the power dynamics at play with wealth and celebrity in the United States.
I think @Sara125 has just got a bit turned around and around somehow.
It should come as no surprise that this is the case. People get emotionally attached to people and aren't willing to believe they have the capacity to do wrong. That of course doesn't preclude the possibility that they in-fact didn't do anything wrong, or that said events that took place could be interpreted differently by various objective observers. The fact that the accuser rejected a trial will leave any sort of definitive conclusion eternally shrouded in doubt.
The problem arises with those who mention it but also, in the same breath, say something along the lines of "we're not defined by our worst moments" or "none of us are saints". I once called this dithering pensioner who reversed into my car a "stupid dumb sad old decaying cnut" and one time I parked in a family parking spot, realised my kid wasn't with me, and didn't move my car. I also pretend to be fast asleep some mornings when the baby wakes up and it's meant to be my turn to get up with him. Equating most people's worst moments with rape is something that goes completely against what we find acceptable in normal life, but for some reason we excuse it when talking about someone who just died. Which would be fine if the person wasn't also being deified - called a genius or a perfect family man - at the same time.
vicious.Maybe most of the people saying that about Bryant also have some moments where consent was withdrawn and they proceeded anyway.
I can't remember her name but the rep from the WNBA on 5Live the day after he died was saying that he was a modern day philosopher and visionary but that "we all have skeletons in our closet" in the same sentence. It took me a while to realise that she was talking about a fecking basketball player.
Statements like these actually don't mean anything and in reality, are just PR talking points.
Its hard to pigeonhole him into being just a basketballer. He was very much a cultural icon as well, which tends to make people view him in a very different light than your average run of the mill athlete. Other than Jordan, he was probably on par with James in terms of cultural icon status.
True, but they do rile people up. I always find that a lot of negative comments come in the face of sycophantic remarks, but maybe that's just me.
True as well, but like I said I just tuned in and was amazed that after all of her comments she was talking about Kobe. I grew up watching the Lakers so you can imagine how I felt when I heard the news but her words just left me stunned.
It is meant to rile you up. Statements such as those in the context of news medium go hand in hand. It isn't an anomaly that you reacted in the way you did.
I don't like being manipulated. This makes me so angry that I'm going to grab a diet coke and a beach holiday.
Because rape cases not involving rich or famous people often result in convictions?
Why must it be that people are emotionally attached and are unwilling to think someone is incapable of doing something wrong? I haven't seen much of that in this thread.
Oh boy.
They used to call that date rape. As if putting another word in front of rape made is a lesser offence.
I thought date rape was when someone you know raped you.
It's a logical interpretation then, right? Someone you know or even someone you just met, where a person could easily interpret that since you've ended up on their sofa, it's on?
No, that's not a point I made or alluded to.
I'm here with you
