Spot on.
Kurt Zouma / 180 hours community service + banned from keeping cats for 5 years
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Can we not give this chap a training course just like that goalkeeper who put up the nazi salute?
They would be investigating to see if there are signs of historic abuse, further injuries to the cats etc. In theory he could be prosecuted from the evidence the RSPCA find.
So are you telling me just because people think that race isn't involved at all in this incident, that means they are racist? That's an absolutely ridiculous take and I'm getting sick of reading that in here.
Zouma kicked a defenseless animal and is rightly being roasted for it, that's it. It has nothing to do with his skin colour.
It used to get some pushback but modern whips are lightweight & made of foam. They're designed to make a noise when striking the horse that the horse then responds to, rather than to actually cause pain to the horse. However, I'm sure that privately when the horses are being trained they're no doubt taught to associate that noise with some form of pain, I could be wrong but I'm still cynical about the people that train these horses.
To be honest, I realised that after I posted.
Its a fair point, and hopefully that isn’t the case.
Indeed, the Police have nothing to investigate. The incident was caught on camera and the man himself has already confessed and apologised. He’s bang to rights.
On the other hand he could get the cats back and have lessons on how to treat them properly. We don't know at this point.
Think it will depend on how much more money West Ham channel into the RSPCA unfortunately.
Just my two cents:
The over-reaction is astounding. What did he actually do? It was a bit of deft skill, breaking the cats fall and sending it across the floor with a well-timed sweep. It's not like he volleyed its head off or punched it off a wall. The cat wasn't even injured. Yes, it doesn't look good and he comes across as an idiot, but come on! Get a grip.
The 'racism' discussion that has entered the debate is a red herring. Antonio was asked a loaded question nobody else was asking or thinking, and take into account it was coming from click-bait media (Lads bible ffs). Nobody is questioning their dubious motives as that's their only purpose, to create click-bait media which they can sell adverts on top of. Everyone engaging with the racism debate is being taken for a ride.
The most disturbing aspect of this nonsense is the social approval / disapproval aspect to it (think 'cancel culture'), which is the final goal and purpose of social media, where 'good' citizens do the bidding of faceless tech billionaires busy creating a Black Mirror style dystopia for everyone.
Could be considered controversial!
The over-reaction is astounding. What did he actually do? It was a bit of deft skill, breaking the cats fall and sending it across the floor with a well-timed sweep. It's not like he volleyed its head off or punched it off a wall. The cat wasn't even injured. Yes, it doesn't look good and he comes across as an idiot, but come on! Get a grip.
The 'racism' discussion that has entered the debate is a red herring. Antonio was asked a loaded question nobody else was asking or thinking, and take into account it was coming from click-bait media (Lads bible ffs). Nobody is questioning their dubious motives as that's their only purpose, to create click-bait media which they can sell adverts on top of. Everyone engaging with the racism debate is being taken for a ride.
The most disturbing aspect of this nonsense is the social approval / disapproval aspect to it (think 'cancel culture'), which is the final goal and purpose of social media, where 'good' citizens do the bidding of faceless tech billionaires busy creating a Black Mirror style dystopia for everyone.
Could be considered controversial!
You sure mate? I mean, imagine the exhaustion one must feel upon being subjected to ad nauseum discussions of racism on the internet. Like someone graciously offered earlier, one would rather be racially abused in real life...
I'm trying really hard to figure out what in the feck this has to do with race, and I'm getting absolutely nowhere. 
I guess the issue is more about the idea that maybe we need to re-evaluate how we treat other animals.
Surprised people are getting so much uproar and debate about Antonio's response.
Was quite clearly a guy who didn't want to throw his teammate under the bus on national TV getting out of answering the question, nothing deeper.
Was quite clearly a guy who didn't want to throw his teammate under the bus on national TV getting out of answering the question, nothing deeper.
Hang on I didn't even mention race, I was more leaning towards the Vegan arguments... not sure what it has to do with race either. Man abuses cat and is pulled through the coals by social media, are you surprised? I doubt it would matter whether he was white or black, remember that woman who put a cat in the bin? She got demolished.
In a football forum. This is not the only crap thread I'm talking about I've seen trump and biden names mentioned in threads about upcoming managers so stop acting like you don't know this is a general problem with this forum and not exclusive to this thread. Footie discussion threads being derailed with these topics. Also hilarious you mention privelige when no clue what race I am myself. Either way pointless discussion.
If you are fine with threads, even footie threads being derailed with these topics then that's okay, but don't act like a smartass.
User name fits.
Yes but she was only sent death threats and had people calling for the death penalty because she was black, just like Kurt Zouma. Because as I’ve learned from this thread, we care more about cats than black people. And that’s why racism is relevant and Zouma did nothing wrong! But wait, that woman was white… so I guess that means that we have to put women below cats too, regardless of race.
West Ham should suspended him for the rest of the season get him to do some unpaid work at a Cat Sanctuary.
Best player or not if I was WH fan, I would not be happy him playing.
Best player or not if I was WH fan, I would not be happy him playing.
I don't think anybody thinks race is involved in this incident (if we want to call it that), we can pretty much all agree a white person getting caught on video doing the same would be just as under pressure. I think people acting as if Antonio has zero point in what he said of the response this got compared to racism in football is where people can make the point that there's some (blissful) ignorance on a valid point he is making.
There's only so much you can say about animal abuse, so people asking to stick to the subject....what subject? You're not going to get very far in a debate on animal abuse, are you? It's wrong and don't do it, Antonio addressed that. Racism is a much more complicated subject obviously, and while people can understandably dislike addressing it, or feel like it's overly used, that notion comes from a position where you're not really affected by it beyond inconvenience that it gets into your escape of sports. However, for someone like Antonio, or any black athletes with family and relatives that deal with it on a consistent basis, you will use any opportunity you can to bring it up, and seeing the level of vitriol aimed at Zouma over animal abuse and some of the lax response racism has gotten is obviously, clearly, most definitely going to get this kind of counter-point from a black athlete if you ask them about it, fair or not (and I think it's fair). He didn't get on his soapbox to make this point, they asked him a question and he answered them with something that I thought was far more interesting than just saying how bad animal abuse is and that he condemns Zouma's actions (which he did as well).
Can't it just be a case of him hitting a cat, which we all think is terrible and West Ham or whoever just try to find the appropriate punishment?
Except racism hasn't had a lax response compared to this. Or at least not the racism that Antonio was referring to - footballers being racist or the racial abuse of footballers on social media.
Cavani got a 3 game ban for an innocuous insta comment because of cultural ignorance (on the FA's part not his). Other players who were racially abusive got 8-10 game bans. Zouma isn't getting any FA punishment despite bringing a mountain of disrepute onto football and the premier league by extension. Why?
It’s the Caf.
Not just the Caf, the race angle is all over Facebook, saying all the call for punishment are because he is black.
Never been on that cesspool thankfully.
This was a fairly rational reply except that bs you wrote in bold. What people do on this forum, actually not this forum, on most forums is that they make daft assumptions based on absolutely nothing. How do you and others know what the person behind screen has been affected by? I could go on a tirade about the racism I was subjected through when growing up like for example when my brother and I as kids were chased by neo nazis carrying knives.
But as soon as you just ask people to please not bring these topics into every thread you hear the most deluded things like for example not being able to comprehend that racism is an issue just because you don't want to see it brought up everywhere. It's a sensitive subject. And it is completely delusional to make assumptions when you've no idea whom you are talking to or what they have gone through.
Your post is.
That’s simply not true.
The RSPCA can bring about a prosecution without the police. It would be common practice for them to be the lead agency with something like this and lack of involvement of the police is irrelevant.
We can say for certain if this was for example a Starbucks employe he would be fired on the spot. But once again just because it's a celebrity they get away with nothing. 2 weeks fine is piss in the river for someone that rich anyway. Multiple football players getting away with millions of dollars in tax fraud without serving a day in prison.
It's a big problem.
It's a big problem.
This is actually a crazy thought. Normal people get fired for similar. I mean normal people routinely get fired for racism. It’s crazy that players only get a certain amount of matches ban. It should be grounds for dismissal and baked into any players contract - if you are found guilty for racist abuse you get your contract terminated. But I guess these players are multi-million pound assets so it serves the club better to wait it out and have them continue playing. I guess this is the weird thing with footballers and their contracts, they aren’t just employees they are assets to the brand. Most employees can be fired and replaced within a month, a footballer is fired and the team have to BUY another one whilst also losing out on any fee they could recoup.
Perhaps the best option is to suspend and then sell at the next window.
You think so, I don't think your employer would none to happy for one of their employees to be plastered all over the news for being a lowlife animal abuser.
Seen people sacked for les, the abuse shown towards the cat is signs of a bigger problem.
The only joke here is your post.
It's not an assumption, those people absolutely exist in every community, my comment simply wasn't aimed at you. To say it's based on absolutely nothing when you can read how anytime those discussions go is...comical.
That has literally nothing to do with it, he's an asset that cost them millions of pounds, and is worth millions of pounds. If Starbucks paid 25m for Tina the barista, they would not be sacking her for doing something like this.
Once a vegan told me if I'm not vegan I shouldn't complain about human rights issues... So yes, probably.
Not just about him. It's a broader issue. They are being treated differently because they are rich celebrities or sportsmen. It is a problem, simple as. They even get charged for serial rape and get away without serving a days imprisonment.
Would you say the same thing if he kicked his child across the kitchen like he did to the cat?
Animals are living creatures and should not be treated as a lower level than humans just because they have an inferior brain capacity. I wouldn't treat you or anyone on this site as a lower level person just because you have an inferior brain capacity to Richard Dawkins.
A persons pet should be given just as much love as a persons child.
That's like saying we have no right to complain about any issue in the UK if we aren't actively trying to prevent famine on the other side of the world.
I find it ridiculous when people say 'you have no right to say this or that' just because there are worse issues going on.
Spot on, man.
Look at timeline of this thread. Topic is animal abuse, first big as this one on this forum for ages. First day, people who care for animals and animal abuse were on this thread wanting to talk about that social problem. Then, look at last 20 pages. Who is left on this thread and what topic is? Racism and people who want to talk about racism. Last 20 pages animal abuse topic just died.
Society today has dozen and dozen major problems (sexism, racism, powerty, hunger, child abuse, domestic abuse etc...) and you can't cover them all in every topic. That doesn't mean that you don't "care" for all of them. For everything there is place and time
Well there is a difference but I guess we aren't supposed to say that anymore?
Pretty fecked up though right? Giggs is such a snake.... One of my favourite players.