Bebestation
Im a doctor btw, my IQ destroys yours
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The attractiveness of our club is quite overrated imo.Mbappe gettable and we go and hand our number 7 to Mason bloody Mount
The attractiveness of our club is quite overrated imo.Mbappe gettable and we go and hand our number 7 to Mason bloody Mount
Qatar being embarrassed because they thought they could own anyone with money.
*chef's kiss*
No shit Batman. But to be described as “dominant”, you need to win things. I’d have thought such a “dominant” player would be winning the Ballon d’Or every year.Because you don't win Champions Leagues singlehandedly. Does this really need to be explained to you?
Qatar being embarrassed because they thought they could own anyone with money.
*chef's kiss*
On the flip side I wonder how much the Saudies can fk Mbappe over. Say he goes on a free or even forces move to Madrid. Will they never invite Real to play in Saudi? Will they never sign Mbappe when he's done at Real? They dont seem to be people that you should fk with when they have 600 billion dollars
There is no case. Mbappé could simply state that he regretted the extension after a few weeks and in the spirit of french and Europeans laws regarding professional freedom no judge would grant you a thing.
They have tried to assemble a team of stars as if it's Champ Manager and it's failed. They've hired the best managers and poached the best players yet can't make it work.
Professional freedom doesn't allow you to negociate a contract in bad faith if PSG manages to prove that point. And obviously no judge will grant anything because it'll never be litigated, unless PSG is trying to avoid payments of secondary bonuses like a loyalty bonus.
But I'll take your insights into account in the contract law cases I handle on a daily basis at my law firm.
To be fair you guys paid a record fee for Marquinhos back then, and another big fee for Thiago Silva. You somehow made Veratti stay there for life.PSG never poached the best players, the poached some of the best attackers, which is obviously totally insufficient to make a team work properly. The rest of the team is bang average for a club who aims at winning the champion's league, especially the midfield.
Apart from international football, where Mbappe is clearly better (due to playing for best international side), the rest you described there are not exactly true.Ronaldo's prime and talent is exaggerated to no end by his fans. He was a great footballer but to say that Mbappe isn't atleast as good a footballer is not true.
In terms of attributes: Mbappe is more explosive, a better dribbler and passer. Ronaldo was a better goalscorer, better at freekicks, better at longshots and much better in the air.
Interms of performances, Mbappe has done much better individually for France than Ronaldo ever did for Portugal. Although Ronaldo played in an Inferior team.
At club level, comparisons are more difficult. Mbappe plays in an Inferior league for by far its best club (that is run very poorly and has a eelatively poor mid and defence). Ronaldo played in one of the 2 best teams in one of the best leagues and had a better team (midfield and defence) behind him. Mbappe has given some great performances against big teams in the ucl (Barcelona, Bayern) to suggest he can.
All in all, Mbappe may never have the club career that Ronaldo had but he isn't an Inferior footballer to Ronaldo at any age. Ronaldo's greatness is about his numbers, success, longevity more than anything else he did on the pitch.
Qatar being embarrassed because they thought they could own anyone with money.
*chef's kiss*
To be fair you guys paid a record fee for Marquinhos back then, and another big fee for Thiago Silva. You somehow made Veratti stay there for life.
Ok.You’re objectively wrong, Mbappe as of now is nowhere near the levels Ronaldo reached. I’m not engaging this anymore it’s just comical that you’ve made one of the most ridiculous posts I’ve ever seen on this forum, which in itself is impressive, and are doubling down on it.
If your barometer is goals than surely you consider Haaland a better footballer because he scored 36 in the Premier league/52 overall (which obliterates Ronaldo's 31/41)?Why is it lies? he was scoring 50-60 a season in Spain against arguably the best club side ever in Barce and a very good Ath Madrid side. La Liga was a very strong league he would without doubt be doing unthinkable numbers in France.
In all honesty Mbappe must be one of the laziest attacking players in Europe and half the clubs in the PL would love playing against him
It would be massive for their league and they probably fancy their chances at keeping him longer once he’s there.So Saudi want to spend all that money to sign him on a 1 year deal?
They’ve allowed their favourite child to run the household so they’ve only got themselves to blame. He wouldn’t get that much freedom anywhere else.Kylian just comes across as a massive a-hole. PSG have only themselves to blame.
And Mbappe had won a world cup at 19. He also scored a hattrick at a world cup final whereas Ronaldo has a grand total of 0 goals and assists in the knock outs of the competition. Mbappe plays for a stronger team at international level, Ronaldo did so at club level both at Man Utd and Real Madrid.Cristiano Ronaldo had won the Balon d'Or by 24. Seems a bit more important.
Ok.
If your barometer is goals than surely you consider Haaland a better footballer because he scored 36 in the Premier league/52 overall (which obliterates Ronaldo's 31/41)?
And Mbappe had won a world cup at 19. He also scored a hattrick at a world cup final whereas Ronaldo has a grand total of 0 goals and assists in the knock outs of the competition. Mbappe plays for a stronger team at international level, Ronaldo did so at club level both at Man Utd and Real Madrid.
Look, I don't dispute that Ronaldo is one of the greatest ever footballers. But, my argument is simple; fans of his tend to totally exaggerate his allround play as if it was at a level never seen or very few will reach/reached. You'll always see videos being thrown around to back up the claim of how good a dribbler he was, how good a playmaker he was, etc.
It is not an exaggeration to say that Mbappe is atleast as good as Cristiano at his peak and I'd argue that the likes of Neymar, Ronaldinho, R9, Iniesta are/were better footballers outside of scoring goals. What makes Ronaldo great is his goalscoring and longevity. At everything else, there are/were others better.
Do they think they could force him on the plane or something? Ultimately, players of his quality decide where they want to go.
No shit Batman. But to be described as “dominant”, you need to win things. I’d have thought such a “dominant” player would be winning the Ballon d’Or every year.
He could well become “dominant”, but at this moment in time, he isn’t.
I really think the Vinicius thing is a bit exaggerated. Wasn't it the same question about Bale when he moved there? He'd always played on the left which was occupied by Ronaldo at the time but they did find a way. Bale adapted and they formed a formidable front line. The Galacticos did not work because they were very unbalanced. The team just didn't compliment each other, I don't think you can say that about the current team. If they fail, it will be for lack of quality and not necessarily balance IMO.Vinicius would be thrilled to see him in Madrid, because then he'll need to leave his best position and play on the right. Also Real would need to invest 400-500 million for Mbappe's first contract and that would limit them on future transfers and they still have only Joselu as their main 9. Last but not least, the best players don't always make the best team. No one knows this better than Madrid during their Galactico time. Who knows how Vinicius will perform on the right, if Mbappe starts to get all the balls and attention on the field.
Sure, he will make his goals, but there are quite a few variables behind this potential transfer.
Mbappe and Qatar - they completely deserve each other. I'll be honest I find it hilarious how all of this has unfolded.
I'll stop laughing though if it ends with City fielding an attack of Haaland and Mbappe
I agree.The attractiveness of our club is quite overrated imo.
I haven't seen much of anything to suggest though Haaland is that kinda person and is very much a team player. He seems to have very little interest in being a Hollywood like poster boy but perhaps I don't pay enough attention to make someone believe the opposite.I doubt either Haaland or Mbappe want to be playing in the same team. Players at that level are competitive and I'm sure each thinks he is the better player and would love a chance to prove it. I could be giving them too much credit but I don't think there's a tendency in football to do what the basketball stars have done, and team up.
Bale, I'm fairly sure, had played on the right wing for Spurs already and he was actually better there given the inverted wingers stuff we see. Vini would be cutting onto his weaker left foot if he's played on the left. It's really not a valid comparison and Vini would be significantly poorer on the right wing if he's moved there. Mbappe might not like playing striker but that's what he's going to have to do if he moved to Madrid.I really think the Vinicius thing is a bit exaggerated. Wasn't it the same question about Bale when he moved there? He'd always played on the left which was occupied by Ronaldo at the time but they did find a way. Bale adapted and they formed a formidable front line. The Galacticos did not work because they were very unbalanced. The team just didn't compliment each other, I don't think you can say that about the current team. If they fail, it will be for lack of quality and not necessarily balance IMO.
He is like Martial but scores goals and he assists.
I didn’t say he hadn’t excelled at domestic level. I said the domestic level he’s played at is second rate and there will be reasonable questions until he does it in a proper league, or if he does help take a team from elsewhere to the very top level on the European stage. You’d expect a “dominant” player to win accolades he hasn’t won. When he does, fine. Until then, you can keep repeating your nonsensical reasoning, but he isn’t a “dominant” player. That said, you think he’s better than peak Ronaldo, so that probably tells me all I need to know doesn’t it.Why on earth would Batman be used in this context? To be a dominant player, you have to put on dominant performances. Which he has.
Repeating yourself isn't going to make your fallacious reasoning any less wide of the mark. As others have tried to explain, you don't win trophies single handedly. That doesn't mean he hasn't excelled at domestic level, which is what you've implied.
I didn’t say he hadn’t excelled at domestic level. I said the domestic level he’s played at is second rate and there will be reasonable questions until he does it in a proper league, or if he does help take a team from elsewhere to the very top level on the European stage. You’d expect a “dominant” player to win accolades he hasn’t won. When he does, fine. Until then, you can keep repeating your nonsensical reasoning, but he isn’t a “dominant” player. That said, you think he’s better than peak Ronaldo, so that probably tells me all I need to know doesn’t it.
No shit Batman is a pretty common saying. Would you have preferred “no shit Sherlock”?
I agree with that. I didn't mean it in terms of him being a selfish player, just that he would be competitive. I see your point about him not necessarily caring about the glamor, though.I haven't seen much of anything to suggest though Haaland is that kinda person and is very much a team player. He seems to have very little interest in being a Hollywood like poster boy but perhaps I don't pay enough attention to make someone believe the opposite.
It absolutely is an exaggeration to say this.And Mbappe had won a world cup at 19. He also scored a hattrick at a world cup final whereas Ronaldo has a grand total of 0 goals and assists in the knock outs of the competition. Mbappe plays for a stronger team at international level, Ronaldo did so at club level both at Man Utd and Real Madrid.
Look, I don't dispute that Ronaldo is one of the greatest ever footballers. But, my argument is simple; fans of his tend to totally exaggerate his allround play as if it was at a level never seen or very few will reach/reached. You'll always see videos being thrown around to back up the claim of how good a dribbler he was, how good a playmaker he was, etc.
It is not an exaggeration to say that Mbappe is atleast as good as Cristiano at his peak and I'd argue that the likes of Neymar, Ronaldinho, R9, Iniesta are/were better footballers outside of scoring goals. What makes Ronaldo great is his goalscoring and longevity. At everything else, there are/were others better.
Don't be fecking stupid.It is not an exaggeration to say that Mbappe is atleast as good as Cristiano at his peak