No Mikel, this is Utd not Arsenal!
Liam Delap | £30m release clause?
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
No Mikel, this is Utd not Arsenal!
Have a sneaky feeling he's ready to lift off, and might be a bit of a fan favourite if he joins.
Hope he is ready for the pressure level cranked up thanks to Wilcox and Vivell putting all their faith in him
If you do a little research about U23 top scorers at top 5 leagues then Delap will come at 7th place. 4 of whom play in the French League (Kalimuendo, Emegha, Biereth and Stassin) while the other 2 in the German League (Ekitike and Sesko) which means that if one had to restrict it to the top 3 leagues in the world (La Liga, Serie A and EPL) then Delap goes on top. There's no denial that there's the potential of a top striker there. My only issue is that he shouldn't be our main striker though. He should come as cover/competition of more experienced striker who can guarantee us goals.
He strikes me as someone who won't be affected, but I thought Rasmus came across the same way early into his Utd career so what do I know!?
I don't agree, but either way, I think Rashford was the one that got away with everything because he was the homegrown golden boy of the club and could do no wrong and because those four were a tight knit group the others got away with it by proxy. I think if there was no Rashford the discipline on the others would have been stronger. That's to me why Rashford has been the biggest problem at the club in years, the tone was set around Rashford, his behavior was the benchmark that others followed, and others were held to. This to me is why Amorim got rid of him, he said I am running the show and I am setting the standards, not some player who thinks he's bigger than the club. He sent a much-needed message by getting rid of Rashford.
I am not too sure another young striker with heaps of pressure at our club is the answer. Only if Hojlund was to go on loan. I would rather see Watkins (unlikely at the moment) or someone like Mateta (PL proven) come in. Otherwise it seems like a waste of money.
According to reports is he off to Chelsea or united ?
Nobody really knows. Chelsea are linked with everyone but no idea how serious they are about Delap. Could be like the situation with Caicedo and Lavia a couple of years ago where they wait to see what happens and then jump in to try and hijack a deal late on. Our interest is genuine and we seem to have been given encouragement by his camp but until the window opens there is always the chance he changes his mind or gets a much better offer.
Just as you can point to 12 goals this season I can point to 8 goals in the Championship the previous season. Never mind the pressure of playing for United or our shite form which is relegation level and has shown no signs of improving.
But that doesn’t even seem to register with you as you have your head in the sand expecting things to magically improve next season based on absolutely nothing and are willing to argue it as if everyone else should share in these wild assumptions of yours.
Bore off now.
Er, you can't because he's proven to do 12 goals for a relegated side in the Premier League.
I think you're broken mate, take a break and lets call it a day. I feel sorry for you if you think we're going to finish in a similar position next season to be honest.
Can you cut it out? Whether we do or do not is really based on nothing certain and the reasons stated as to why we might not are no less valid than the reasons we may do better.
The club is in a very uncertain and unstable period and ruling out freefall to even worse predicaments than faced this season is asinine. There are no guarantees either way, and as has been pointed out the negative trending has been going on for three seasons straight now. There's nothing to say it has reached its end, especially not if the manager continues to struggle and recruitment fails to hit the mark.
We'd all like to believe this season is anomalous, but there's no guarantee the worst of it is over and done with.
And this, too.
If you two can't converse cordially, just stop talking. "Walk away" as the saying goes.
Because as i said, their goal difference is better than ours. League position and goal difference are generally fairly consistent.
My apologies
I think the real problem we've got is the failure rate integrating new players over the last decade of so, and I don't think it's all about quality and they can't all have overwhelmingly defective personalities.
Reminds me of Alan Smith, puts himself about on the field but a bit of a scorer of brilliant goals rather than a consistent source of goals.
Hence why we need someone proven to help him, one thing you can say is he would be coming here where majority of our fanbase has already wrote him off. So maybe this will work out different to those proven strikers signed recently.
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Spurs have a goal difference on +4, Brighton have a GD of +3 but I don't think Spurs are unlucky to be 17 points behind them. Spurs are right around where they should be based on their perfromances this season just like United. The league table rarely lies.
He won’t move to a club as a backup to a more seasoned striker IMO.
So you don't see him going to Chelsea or Newcastle then?
You don't move as a backup. You move witht the knowledge that you have to earn your spot in the squad and footballers like that are arrogant enough and self-confident to believe that they'll make the first team spot theirs. Considering the only competition have been notoriously criticized and were not the current manager's purchases then it's a no brainer move honestly.
I get the point they are trying to make
As simple as it sounds, people shouldn't use Hojlund struggling as a young striker at United as a stick to beat Delap with.
If we spent 70 million on Delap vs 70 million on Hojlund - we would have all picked Delap except Ten Hag because even at Atalanta Hojlund was nothing special.
The one thing that is scaring me a bit is that Delap has been a bit quiet in front of goal for a few games now.
If we spent 70 million on Delap vs 70 million on Hojlund - we would have all picked Delap except Ten Hag because even at Atalanta Hojlund was nothing special.
The one thing that is scaring me a bit is that Delap has been a bit quiet in front of goal for a few games now.
There's a big difference between being a backup and being in a 50/50 battle to being the main guy. That's why I can't see him going to Newcastle (unless they are selling Isak), but he could easily back himself to win the fight to be Chelsea's main striker.
Likewise, the oft-repeated scenario that we should sign both Gyokeres (or Osimhen) and Delap almost certainly wouldn't happen even if we had unlimited money. But signing an older, more experienced but less...good striker (a Mateta or Wissa for example) might still be possible if we can bring in enough funds. That would be the hope that I'd have, albeit I suspect that we'd use the money in other positions.
Yeah I would like to see us target someone like those two, however like you said it would probably be used for other positions. I could get on board if that was a CM though.
We need two strikers
A Rashford replacement (sell) and a Hojlund replacement (loan). He gets my vote for the Hoj replacement.
Zirkee is a 10 imo. He rotates with Bruno, Cunha, Amad + 1 more ideally.
A Rashford replacement (sell) and a Hojlund replacement (loan). He gets my vote for the Hoj replacement.
Zirkee is a 10 imo. He rotates with Bruno, Cunha, Amad + 1 more ideally.
Those two would cost at least £50m and would need replacing in a couple of years. Delap is far from a sure thing, certainly, and in an ideal world we wouldn't be going into next season with him as our main striker. I do think though that, on balance, £30m for him is a better move than £50m+ for one of those two.
Yeah Newcastle was the one I had in mind when I posted that. Chelsea - I think he could rate himself to try and displace Jackson who started the season well but also have been going through a massive drought.
My post was also aimed at (a minority admittedly!) some who’s been saying sign Gyokeres and Delap. I think Delap’s at that stage where he wants game time and to develop - it’s why he also left city, isn’t it? He “seems” to have the right attitude careers wise (I say seems because I know next to nothing about him) so I don’t see him signing anywhere he’ll be forced to play second fiddle (no matter how much he might rate himself).
Sorry bud, I wasn’t really referring to us but mostly had the links to the Toon (Isak) in mind. And the very, very little (read: nothing!) I know of Delap, he seems to have that confidence about him, which is good, especially when it comes to the pressures of the biggest clubs.
For the money, it's a decent deal £30M is peanuts for a striker these days.
My concern is that I don't think Delap has the quality to be a starter for a top club right now, and I'm not sure he ever will.
We urgently need a starting-quality striker, and with the limited funds we have, I don't think we should be spending on someone who looks like a second-choice option at this time.
My concern is that I don't think Delap has the quality to be a starter for a top club right now, and I'm not sure he ever will.
We urgently need a starting-quality striker, and with the limited funds we have, I don't think we should be spending on someone who looks like a second-choice option at this time.
this. For the fee it's a decent transfer, maybe even a good one. But he's not a starting CF for the ambitions we have.
What is the ambitions we have for next season?
Goes to show how difficult goalscoring is for strikers U23. Getting the ball in the net, with a few exceptions, is what players in their prime do.
Apparently top six. And if we win UEL we are not going to the CL to embarass ourselves
So a ST who can score 12 PL goals is good enough to get us to that right?
not really. A top CF who scores 20 goals would do that. Also, who says he can repeat his 12 league goals?
Yep the same questions can be asked about any Striker that you may want us to sign too.
Alan Shearer scored 13 league goals in 41 games for Southampton in 91/92. Probably no pens because of Le Tissier.
They finished 16th of 22 teams.
He went to Blackburn after the season.
Just saying.
They finished 16th of 22 teams.
He went to Blackburn after the season.
Just saying.
To finish top 6. That's what's being briefed.