Ronaldo No.9
Redcafe FIFA Champion 2010
He'll knock one out over his Ronaldo poster when he watches the replay
Highlight of your week, eh? You're such a fecking weirdo...
He'll knock one out over his Ronaldo poster when he watches the replay
Highlight of your week, eh? You're such a fecking weirdo...
Watching La Liga eh.Just blazed a woeful penalty over the bar. Messi, that is.
Over-rated.
It's okay for you to post about it, but you have a problem with me posting about it?
Highlight of your week, eh? You're such a fecking weirdo...
Correct. It was either this or "The Joy of Teen Sex" on C4 (which is considerably less sexy than it sounds)Watching La Liga eh.
Run out of films to watch have we?
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.Correct. It was either this or "The Joy of Teen Sex" on C4 (which is considerably less sexy than it sounds)
Xavi does not play that deepThe fact Xavi plays deep, yet still creates a ridiculous number of chances (35 or so direct assists in 08/09, never mind others like this), indicates he successfully plays that killer through-ball on a regular basis. It's one thing slipping the ball through past the last defender, another thing entirely piercing two lines of four.
Decotron in contributing feck all shockerYou're not good very at this are you?
....It happens to the best of us
I kicked a penalty the other day, it hit the corner flag, I got stick from my mates for a month
Xavi didn't play deep under Rijkaard either. He played on level with and slightly to the right of Deco. And generally, Deco worked harder and better at tracking back than Xavi did as well.Xavi does not play that deep
ever since Pep took over he has been utilised further forward than his previous seasons with Rijkaard with very little defensive responsibilities, zilch compared to him under Rijkaard
infact the 2008/09 season was further forward I've seen him
Read this and learn Frankly Vulgar. I'm no the only one disagreeing with your assement of Messi's pasing.
Deco was sensational for 2 seasons, he outshone Xavi in my opinion, apart from his lack of goals he was fantastic in every department.Xavi didn't play deep under Rijkaard either. He played on level with and slightly to the right of Deco. And generally, Deco worked harder and better at tracking back than Xavi did as well.
Deco really is an oddball. He was imo the quientessential modern midfielder in his first two seasons for barca. Fabulous playmaker who really took the burden off Ronaldinho from having to do everything in attack and worked incessantly and aggressively to win the ball back as soon as they lost it. Busy little fecker really. Great combo of technical player who knew his defensive responsibilities and seemed to relish them.
Then at some point he and Ronaldinho made a mutual pact to not give a shit anymore, and he went to perfecting the archetype of lazy latin skilful player who can only be bothered to be great when he feels like it.
Too hot? Mate you're a roundabout, most people gave up on you a long time ago based on your rediculous sense of self importance.:
Trust me, on here I challenge you when I'm certain you are wrong. In the same vein, I back you up vehemently if I'm certain you are right. In the same vein I also accept your opinion if it is viable, even if I don't ascribe to it. I never mince words nor pretend to know more than I don't know. If you find my style to hot for you. Sorry
No doubt Xavi is a master of his craft, maybe it's just this season he hasn't quite been matching the standards he set for himself. Messi has taken his passing up a gear this year. The game against betis wasnt a showcase however. He miss placed a lot and didn't look himself.The fact Xavi plays deep, yet still creates a ridiculous number of chances (35 or so direct assists in 08/09, never mind others like this), indicates he successfully plays that killer through-ball on a regular basis. It's one thing slipping the ball through past the last defender, another thing entirely piercing two lines of four.
I read it and i appreciated it, he used reasoning and evidence and it was his opinion. Gio talks sense, i appreciate his comments.Read this and learn Frankly Vulgar. I'm no the only one disagreeing with your assement of Messi's pasing.
You truly have issues. I don't have any sense of ''self importance'' what so ever. Never have never will. The problem with you is you throw your toys out of the pram whenever someone challenges you on a point you think you are making and you try and play the victim as a result. It's getting old.Too hot? Mate you're a roundabout, most people gave up on you a long time ago based on your rediculous sense of self importance.
Oh really? His said the very same thing I've been trying to get through to you. Almost verbatim.I read it and i appreciated it, he used reasoning and evidence and it was his opinion. Gio talks sense, i appreciate his comments.
You posted assist stats for this season of Messi and Xavi. If that was not an attempt to claim Messi is better than Xavi at passing then I don't know what else is.Did he disagree with my assesment? i never said Messi was the best, i said he was one of the best around..........
True. Xavi truly came into his own when Deco and Ronadinho gave up on football.Xavi didn't play deep under Rijkaard either. He played on level with and slightly to the right of Deco. And generally, Deco worked harder and better at tracking back than Xavi did as well.
Deco really is an oddball. He was imo the quientessential modern midfielder in his first two seasons for barca. Fabulous playmaker who really took the burden off Ronaldinho from having to do everything in attack and worked incessantly and aggressively to win the ball back as soon as they lost it. Busy little fecker really. Great combo of technical player who knew his defensive responsibilities and seemed to relish them.
Then at some point he and Ronaldinho made a mutual pact to not give a shit anymore, and he went to perfecting the archetype of lazy latin skilful player who can only be bothered to be great when he feels like it.
The only person you get through to is yourself.Oh really? His said the very same thing I've been trying to get through to you. Almost verbatim.
More lies? *feigns shock horror*You posted assist stats for this season of Messi and Xavi. If that was not an attempt to claim Messi is better than Xavi at passing then I don't know what else is.
Watching La Liga eh.
Run out of films to watch have we?
Incorrect it was the Copa Del RayCorrect. It was either this or "The Joy of Teen Sex" on C4 (which is considerably less sexy than it sounds)
only one i could find. He is fined for lifting his shirt and showing the message on it.Should have shown a better video there Franky. 6:20 done and I can't watch more. A lot of crap stuff in between with nothing going on and awful music. Created two chances during that time, a narrow shot from Villa and a pass straight to the feet to Adriano who was at full speed. Can't really blame him for losing control of the ball there.
I'll just take your word for that he created more chances but I couldn't watch that video anymore and don't know what incident he's possibly being fined for.
He's been like that pretty much ever since Pep came into town, once again in that game he showed more creativity and imagination in his passing but Xavi but say this and people would say 'bollocks, Xavi does it more week in and week out' once again, completely unfoundedJesus. Hate that rule. Can't put messages on your undershirt. Retarded. At least he wasn't carded right?
He's playing much more the 'all-over-the-place' role this season and perhaps the last and therefor is a more of creating focal point of the attack. Because of his quickness he's also very likely to be the first one to get the rebound after a team mate blows a chance he most likely created. Does that mean they're trying to get used to Xavi not passing all the good through balls? Or is that a crazy spontaneous sleepdeprived driven theory?
What irony He says the same thing I've been saying and you want to claim ''you couldn't understand''. My. You do love to act thick don't you...The only person you get through to is yourself.
Messi produced some great throughballs from deep in the world cup, he played as more of a playmaker than Xavi did for Spain who focused on controlling the tempo.What irony
Lies huh? So this below isn't your post?
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The fact is he created next to nothing. It's not like he was racking up assists, inspite of Argentina scoring goalsMessi produced some great throughballs from deep in the world cup, he played as more of a playmaker than Xavi did for Spain who focused on controlling the tempo.
Are you kidding me? Argentina are the kings of the possession game. At the best they play it at a pace much faster than the Spaniards. Just remember that goal vs Serbia in 2006.Argentina aren't a possession team like Spain, or atleast are not as good as keeping the ball, I don't see why Messi can't control the tempo in a team like Spain.
I remember him being praised to the highest heavens for a performance of such intelligence. While Xavi got the biggest plaudits and rightly so. You must have watched the game with some awful pundits summarising.I remember last year in the first leg against Arsenal Messi spent the entire game passing the ball around, just like Xavi and got nothin but criticism for not doing something 'special'
It is being claimed that his passing is up there with Xavi. If it was it would have been reflected in the majority of goals Argentina scored. Yet it wasn't. Messi was good at the world cup. But never produced a display of exceptional playmaking in any shape or form. Which has been my point form the start. As a playmaker he is far from Xavi's league. You get in that league when you are experienced. Not at his current age when you are not a Maradona.Watch this video if you have the time, chief,
Viddler.com - Lionel Messi World Cup 2010 - Uploaded by unloosener
it exploits a few myths about Messi's world cup and you can see the creativity never left, the main difference for me between him and Barca is that he was constantly picking up the ball in extremely deep positions while for Barca he's constantly allowed the freedom to be in the final third where he can hurt you the most
It's not an over statement given who he is being compared to.the brilliant passing is all in here, created next to nothing is a giant overstatement imo
But Xavi was not at his creative best at the World Cup, he made the most passes but not the best decisive passes. How involved was he in the majority of goals Spain scored, I would say Iniesta was more influential here.It is being claimed that his passing is up there with Xavi. If it was it would have been reflected in the majority of goals Argentina scored. Yet it wasn't. Messi was good at the world cup. But never produced a display of exceptional playmaking in any shape or form. Which has been my point form the start. As a playmaker he is far from Xavi's league. You get in that league when you are experienced. Not at his current age when you are not a Maradona.
It's not an over statement given who he is being compared to.
no, in the creativity stakes I believe Iniesta had a more influential world cup, that's all I'm sayingIniesta more effective than Xavi? You must be having a laugh Boss.
Iniesta was only more influential in killer balls and killer interventions in games. But Xavi made the team tick. Which is a playmakers job. Messi one day will make his team tick like that the way he did for the Argies at junior evel. But he isn't there yet and he certainly didn't do so at the last world cup.But Xavi was not at his creative best at the World Cup, he made the most passes but not the best decisive passes. How involved was he in the majority of goals Spain scored, I would say Iniesta was more influential here.
We''ll just have to agree to disagree then. Because I've seen Messi impersonate a Maradona type playmaker once. At under 20 level in international football. He literally run that team, the way Xavi runs Barca and Spain. He is not yet experienced enough however to do it at senior level. As the world cup proved.And watching those highlights Messi was involved the majority of the goals Argentina scored, he was their main man even when he's not scoring. As a playmaker Messi shows more imagination and creativity in his passing than Xavi. This side of his game is underrated because he scores so many goals and is the best dribbler around.
I think our main problem is the actual definition of a playmaker, where unfortunately everybody seems to have their own opinion which hinders discussions.Iniesta was only more influential in killer balls and killer interventions in games. But Xavi made the team tick. Which is a playmakers job. Messi one day will make his team tick like that the way he did for the Argies at junior evel. But he isn't there yet and he certainly didn't do so at the last world cup.
We''ll just have to agree to disagree then. Because I've seen Messi impersonate a Maradona type playmaker once. At under 20 level in international football. He literally run that team, the way Xavi runs Barca and Spain. He is not yet experienced enough however to do it at senior level. As the world cup proved.
Interesting, what sort of football did Spain play?Why are you people using the WC as argument? Spain weren't playing attacking football. They won most of their games 1-0. When 1-0 up they passed the ball around the middle and killed time. So Xavi pretty much did his job as well as possible.
It has to be disappointing for someone like Messi to not be able to score, let alone get himself some chances. In fact, he doesn't do that very much with Argentina at all. Being the creative spark in the team or not.
Indeed. One thing about the olympics though, I thought he and Aguero did a Xavi and Iniesta with that team.I think our main problem is the actual definition of a playmaker, where unfortunately everybody seems to have their own opinion which hinders discussions.
I also agree with you about the Under 20 world cup, he also performed to a similar level at the Olympics in my opinion but hasn't since but as you say I believe it will come with more experience
Aguero was stunning, the match against Brazil was the best of the tournament, he just needs to do it at a higher level but I believe if he's played in his right position he will. In my opinion Maradona played him too deep to be at his most effective, bringing Zanetti and Cambiasso along wouldn't have hurt either.Indeed. One thing about the olympics though, I thought he and Aguero did a Xavi and Iniesta with that team.
I'm hoping for a repeat of that at the next world cup