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Yeah, Dortmund were never in the relegation zone in his last season.
Feck Liverpool, but they deserve a lot of credit for the last 2 seasons, 97 points and a CL last season, and PL winners this season, with crazy consistency and 90+ points again. If we wrapped up the league every year in November/December we'd be delighted and wouldn't give 2 hoots about oppo's thinking its a "dull" victory..
I don't think you watched a single match of that season. You looked at the results and then formed your opinion. And now you're using your incorrect assumptions to judge Klopp's squad management at Liverpool (which lest we forget got them 97 points and a CL trophy last season) because they have lost a few games.
I find it so strange that even at 22 points clear Klopp seems to be prioritising a Premier League title race that was done and dusted in November. Winning the league and FA Cup double, especially with the lead they have in the league, would have really been something. Now it feels like they've sacrificed a potential treble for no discernible reason.
Oh, well, guess trebles are just for the Manchester clubs.
Oh, well, guess trebles are just for the Manchester clubs.
Not many Liverpool fans either if they are being honest with themselves. Going on winning streaks is cool and all, but it cant compare to lifting a trophy, even if its "just" the FA cup
Yea red Manchester clubs.. Mickey mouse domestic trebles aren't considered..
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Nah I’d be bored shitless if that happened. The best seasons were always the ones were we where neck and neck and every game mattered. Give me an 02/03 over a 00/01 any day
The tail end of 02/03 was remarkable. Big victories over Liverpool and Newcastle and the 2-2 draw at Highbury was a phenomenal game and is one of those games that stays clear in the memory. What a night.
I miss when we were good
I miss when we were good
I get you, but would we really complain? 12/13 was domination too but I loved it! Thank you RVP...
We obviously wouldn't complain about winning the league, but (maybe due to the vast amount of success) we'd admit its duller and by far not the most fun and entertaining ways to win the league. It's just not the same when you ease to it, it doesn't have the same feel, it kind of feels less like you've won it and more its been handed to you due to the sheer incompetence of those around.
Something like that 3-2 over Villa with the last minute Macheda goal doesn’t have the same effect if we were 22 points clear. It was a tense game and it’s one of the goals I’ve celebrated the most in my life because we knew how important it was.
Liverpool fans won’t care because it’s their first title in 30 years and that’s fair enough, but we need the league as a whole to grow stronger because if Liverpool and City are just going on 18 game winning streaks each season and amassing 100 points then what’s the point? Boring as feck.
Liverpool fans won’t care because it’s their first title in 30 years and that’s fair enough, but we need the league as a whole to grow stronger because if Liverpool and City are just going on 18 game winning streaks each season and amassing 100 points then what’s the point? Boring as feck.
Don't quite understand that either. They're playing Atletico next Wednesday so going full strength yesterday, resting the starting XI at the weekend giving everyone an 8-day rest would have made perfect sense to me. I totally understand Klopp's selections in the previous rounds but this is quite strange. He was not known for disrespecting the cup in Germany (although the number of games is much lower there).
Yes closely contested one's obviously feel great, but there's no shame in being much better than your rivals. I'll quote Vin Diesel "it don't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning" Ha
It's one more Mickey Mouse domestic treble than Liverpool have ever won.
I'd rather win a league that is close. As others have said, there have been some incredible moments when we have won a close race (v Spurs in 99 / Villa 09) and you go absolutely ape-sh!t and it feels that bit sweeter when you eventually top the mountain.
Well yea they done the ultimate Mickey Mouse treble, League Cup, Fa Cup and Super Cup
. Atleast you blue mooners had a league in yours...Nah, you had everything lined up to go out and try and have the season of all seasons: You're (or were) favourites for the CL; you have the league wrapped up; all you had to do, as many are saying in here, is navigate yourself properly through the FA Cup against teams who are beatable, to have a genuine chance of the treble.
The last 4 years shouldn't be a pointer to this one: your priorities should match with what's actually going on in the here and now. The last times, it would make sense for the FA Cup to be way down in the list of 'things to do' as you had a rampant City side to chase and no foothold in Europe. This time round you have an obscene points advantage over second place, which means the league should be the least prioritised of the lot now.
If you do manage to go out vs Atleti, this will have been a season of what ifs, which is not how it should be when you're on course to win the league for the first time in 3 decades.
Yeah, the football you play is not kind on players and that's just on the pitch. You've got a number of players now that will be getting offers all over the continent from clubs who will pay them world class rates - good luck keeping them all together if you're not prepared to bump their salaries in line with what they should be earning as top percentile in their position.Can't argue with this.Forget "couple more seasons". I'll be worried about next season with AFCON right in the middle of our favourite month of January.
Once a group accomplish a longtime goal, the challenge is keeping them motivated, happy and buying into what the manager is selling. I think you can tick a couple of those boxes, but 'happy' basically means 'paid' the going rate.
Van Dijk is the best CB in the world, yet his wage is not in the top 5 players active, and his junior for the national team is making a lot more than him.
Mane is one of the best LWF's in the world - you are going to have to pay him what that bracket of earner is supposed to get.
Salah, I think, is starting to taper now going back to his mean value (somewhere between Roma and this season). I'm not sure if you try and cash in on him or bump his wage.
Then you've got two full-backs that are right up the street of every top attacking side in the world. It won't be long before they're getting tapped up - you'll have to pay them more than you do to stave the wolves off.
Interesting times ahead for you.
Liverpool beating us 4-1 that season is honestly one of the best things that's ever happened to us. Football, above all else, is about glory.
FACTSLiverpool beating us 4-1 that season is honestly one of the best things that's ever happened to us. Football, above all else, is about glory.
Didn't we lose five?
Losing two on the trot really is hurting hey.
I was quite happy with yesterday's result but you've obviously run out of arguments already.
Doesn't matter how many points you got, you didn't win the league.
What? I was refuting the notion that Klopp's final season at Dortmund was a disaster which pops up every now and then on here. Usually by people who don't even follow the Bundesliga. That season was one of the biggest statistical anomalies you are going to see. Their performances were absolutely fine but their opponents seemed to score with every change they got for the first half of the season. They were as unlucky then as Liverpool have been lucky this season.
They will never win the treble with Klopp in charge. This season should be the easiest for them yet They refused to go gun blazing on all fronts.I find it so strange that even at 22 points clear Klopp seems to be prioritising a Premier League title race that was done and dusted in November. Winning the league and FA Cup double, especially with the lead they have in the league, would have really been something. Now it feels like they've sacrificed a potential treble for no discernible reason.
Oh, well, guess trebles are just for the Manchester clubs.
Liverpool still had VVD, Gomes, Robbo, Fabinho, Mane and Lallana. Off the bench Milner, Salah, Firminho.
We make these changes in a league game due to injuries and fans say we are crap. Just goes to show a consistent team will always be better than one that is chopped and changed about.
We make these changes in a league game due to injuries and fans say we are crap. Just goes to show a consistent team will always be better than one that is chopped and changed about.
If you count the Charity Shield as a defeat, they have lost 6 games: Chelsea (FA Cup), AV (League Cup), Watford (PL), Napoli, Atletico Madrid (CL) and City (Charity Shield). If you consider the Charity Shield a draw, it's 5 games which are the same amount of games we had lost in the Treble season: Tottenham (League Cup), Arsenal (Charity Shield), Arsenal, Sheffield Wednesday and Middlesborough (PL).
This is hyperbole. Liverpool winning the title even with 60 points, after 30 years, would be groundbreaking history.
If they clear 100 points they belong in the elite tier of PL winners. You can be evaluated based on a single season, despite caf posters struggling to understand this concept.
3.5 million. Jesus even I wouldnt bother showing up for that..
They should increase it if you ask me. Used to love the FA cup.
Wasnt really talking about last night, but in general. Also not arguing for Liverpool by the way, Kuyt played for Feyenoord as well
What does 100pts even mean? Surely it means the league is weak?
It's trophies that count not points totals.
No doubt liverpool deserve to win it and are a damn good side. But his season as of now is very weak. Not one team is even that good, even city can't get on a good form right now. This is just simply perfect timed for them to win the league. United chelsea city Tottenham arsenal arent remotely close to the team they used to be. It's like the Leicester city season.
Why do points total matter though? Jose's Utd got more points than the Treble winners and many other Fergie title winning sides. Yet no Utd fan in their right mind would suggest Mourinho's Utd were better or trade the extra points for the title.
To be honest, if Liverpool win the league and nothing else their fans won't care and nor should they.
Agreed. The starting team against Chelsea looked like he was taking a shot in the dark and hoping to hit the target. Of course your suggested rotation idea isn't helped by the fact that Henderson is out, Fabinho's evil twin seems to have taken over, TAA has lost his crossing boots and Minamino and Keita don't seem to have enough Red Bull in them to cut it in the PL. Plus I think Atletico really put doubts in Klopp's mind. Even in the defeat last season at Barca, we were comfortably the fitter, quicker, more creative team. But the little magician had other plans. That performance was at least encouraging for the return leg. But I'm quite pessimistic about our chances against Atletico.
True. Klopp and this team will be forgotten as soon as they leave. Not history makers.
Because it directly translates to amount of games won.
How else would you compare United 09/10 vs Leicester's title?
Because points total directly corresponds to dominance, which is one of the marks of a great team. Of course it is relative compared to the competition of the time, but you still can only beat who's in front of you.
Besides, how else would you compare Leicester 16/17 and Liverpool 19/20? First metric I'm going to is points total. Trophy count in other competitions come into play as well.
Sure, I agree on everything except the bolded. Because even with a weakened set of competitors, Leicester weren't as dominant as this Liverpool side have been over the season. They had the little bit more of quality/luck required to get over the line.
No, that's silly. It can also mean the team are that good. Barcelona/Real Madrid have cracked 100 points several times while being elite in Europe and playing in an elite quality league.
The mind is a wonderful thing under duress. It will create all sorts of realities.