"Lower quality foreign players" transfers will be blocked

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My immediate comment to that would be - I don't think the clubs deliberately try to sign poor foreign players :) Well maybe Newcastle but ...
 

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Well - you are the guys who decided Brexit was a good thing - so now it's time to face the consequences
 

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No wonder United signed Pellistri and prioritized a few other youth players this summer. No chance of unearthing hidden gems after this.

I think long term this will result in clubs in other parts of Europe ending up with some really good talents without having to deal with competition from the Premier League.
 

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From reading the article it insinuates that international football contributions will be taken into consideration somehow?
That's the current system for foreigners, no? But I think it cuts us off from young players who are superstars that we want to scout early. Clubs should fight the FA for that, it puts us at a disadvantage for European talents, and it will cost us a shitload of money to get them now once they have "proven" their value. And then, we will start losing competition due to a lack of quality.
 

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Some manager will be thrilled by this. It means he'll get his Grealish and his Sancho + he won't look silly on spending 80m on a CB with zero pace. ;)

Seriously this is going to cripple EPL football badly. It's already silly that EPL clubs can barely sign young SA players. If they extend it to European players as well then they can slowly start kissing their chances of winning the CL good bye.
But we all knew that would happen when they decided Brexit means Brexit. They talked about keeping the EPL safe... it turns out, the EPL would not be safe. I just dislike those things.
 

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So a couple of big takeaways:

1. The FA want to increase the number of non-EU players by 500%
2. The FA want to stop the Chelsea model of buy-and-loan cheap imports (the Premier League want this strategy to remain possible)
To be honest, the only question for us is: how do we keep getting the Amad Diallo in the future?

We should ask a simple question to the FA.
In their new rule, could we still get C. Ronaldo easily as we did? If so, ok, show us how it's calculated / done, and how easy it is.
If not, then the system is useless. Because you should be able to spot a talent like Ronaldo and bring him in, even if nobody else recognized him, *yet*. It's what scouting is for.
 

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Weird example given they’re being touted at £100m and £50m respectively.
Aouar costs as much as Longstaff was rated last year.
 

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Actually it would benefit the likes of Bayern, Real, Barcelona and Juventus who can snap that talent on the cheap as the selling club can never sell him into the EPL. Thus while Chelsea, Manchester United and co would be throwing silly money on Longstaff these clubs will be able to sign the likes of Camavinga and Aouar on the cheap.
Those teams you mention normally purchase players that are or close to the finished article anyway or get the best young players from their respective countries.
 

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Those teams you mention normally purchase players that are or close to the finished article anyway or get the best young players from their respective countries.
If international appearances count then these players would simply not qualify. I get that the UK hates the EU. However they could slightly raise the bar for EU young players while significantly lower those for SA/Asian/African players. Thus making it easier for clubs to sign young players from there. Competition is a good thing. The EPL had benefited greatly from it.
 
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Aouar costs as much as Longstaff was rated last year.
What does that have to do with anything?

The actual point you were trying to make is wrong. Premier League clubs will have as much chance of signing those two players as they have now. Like Cherki they chose to develop in a smaller league because it’s better for their development. The big issue will be signing under 18s with no first team experience. Those rarely translate into first team players of worth to us. It will affect City and Chelsea mostly as they bring these players in to play football manager with them and increase their bottom line.
 

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What does that have to do with anything?

The actual point you were trying to make is wrong. Premier League clubs will have as much chance of signing those two players as they have now. Like Cherki they chose to develop in a smaller league because it’s better for their development. The big issue will be signing under 18s with no first team experience. Those rarely translate into first team players of worth to us. It will affect City and Chelsea mostly as they bring these players in to play football manager with them and increase their bottom line.
If its down to international appearances then I very much doubt it. Also what's wrong in signing Under 18s who can add quality to the side? We did so with Pogba, TFM, Chong and Rossi. Competition is a good thing even at youth level. Local kids would be able to grow up and work with some of the best young talents in the world which is a good thing. Youth academy also depends heavily on spotting and producing top youth talent. Sure some won't make it but those who don't make it with the club can be sold for a profit thus keeping the youth academy going from a financial perspective which in turn allow clubs to invest big money in their academy. United had lost the opportunity to sign Essien as a kid because of xenophobic WP rules. How could that possibly be translated into a good thing?
 
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If its down to international appearances then I very much doubt it. Also what's wrong in signing Under 18s who can add quality to the side? We did so with Pogba and Rossi. Competition is a good thing even at youth level. Youth academy depends on producing top youth talent. Even if they don't make it with the club they can be sold for a profit thus keeping the youth academy going from a financial perspective. United had lost the opportunity to sign Essien as a kid because of xenophobic WP rules. How could that possibly be translated into a good thing?
The positives are that it would increase the likelihood of those players staying in their home league and economically benefitting the clubs that put the most years into devolving them. It could also benefit smaller European leagues economically too. The current EU rules actually benefit the bigger European clubs and have played a part in closing off the top table of European football because smaller clubs struggle to hold on to their talent. You call it xenophobic buts it’s purely capitalist in effect with significant negatives for competition.

There will be ways round it I‘d imagine, like arranging jobs for the parents of really talented players. It will mostly stop the stockpiling of young foreign players by clubs like City and Chelsea.
 

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The positives are that it would increase the likelihood of those players staying in their home league and economically benefitting the clubs that put the most years into devolving them. It could also benefit smaller European leagues economically too. The current EU rules actually benefit the bigger European clubs and have played a part in closing off the top table of European football because smaller clubs struggle to hold on to their talent. You call it xenophobic buts it’s purely capitalist in effect with significant negatives for competition.

There will be ways round it I‘d imagine, like arranging jobs for the parents of really talented players. It will mostly stop the stockpiling of young foreign players by clubs like City and Chelsea.
Players need three things to make it ie talent, attitude and the right coaches/infrastructure around him. Remove one of that and he'll probably won't make it. Kids playing in smaller European Leagues need to leave the country to develop. I know the people who coached Pieta when young Bojinov stepped in and that's the advice they gave him from day 1. Pieta simply lacked the infrastructure, the facilities and the quality coaches needed to develop a boy to the levels he deserved to be playing in. Later on he thanked the club for sending him to Lecce which kickstarted a fantastic career for him.

Regarding local talent kids need competition to improve. It pushes them to the limit and it drives them to give their all. Not to forget that clubs invest heavily in youth academies because they make sense from a financial perspective. Kids who do not make it are sold for a profit which in turn justify the academy's demands to invest in cutting edge technology, facilities and coaches. The moment these clubs can't produce kids which are good enough to at least be sold for a clean profit then they will scale back.

This new system puts nationality ahead of talent. Its not good for football, its not good for clubs and ultimately it will hurt local talent as well.
 

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No Evra, Vidic or Ronaldo in the future then
 

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Obviously the first person replying in agreement to that tweet has a Union Jack in his Twitter name. Tells me that I don’t need to scroll any further, and that this is probably a bad idea.
 

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Does it put Diallo's work permit and therefore transfer in jeopardy?
 

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Aouar costs as much as Longstaff was rated last year.
Rated by who??
They are still at their clubs aren’t they.
These figures are bandied around by the media and it all depends which clubs are interested thatnormally dictates the price.
 

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Rated by who??
They are still at their clubs aren’t they.
These figures are bandied around by the media and it all depends which clubs are interested thatnormally dictates the price.
Most British talent are overpriced. We spent 80m on an ordinary Cb with no pace
 

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There goes our whole revamp of the academy. We have been aggressively recruiting foreign talent at that level.
I am sure us and Liverpool will take this as a sign to f*** off to the European League.
 

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Do you really think the PL would accept this? The FA can propose whatever they want, their competition has become largely irrelevant. The PL won’t kill the gift that keeps on giving by not siphoning talent from all over Europe as they see fit.
 

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Do you really think the PL would accept this? The FA can propose whatever they want, their competition has become largely irrelevant. The PL won’t kill the gift that keeps on giving by not siphoning talent from all over Europe as they see fit.
Indeed. The FA trying to wrest back power after the horse has bolted, won 14 consecutive grand nationals and then spent 10 years shagging in a field.
 

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This is all sorts of bullshit.

Didier Drogba had a worse record than Andrei Shevchenko prior to both of them joining Chelsea.

Who's the Chelsea legend now?
 

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No wonder United signed Pellistri and prioritized a few other youth players this summer. No chance of unearthing hidden gems after this.

I think long term this will result in clubs in other parts of Europe ending up with some really good talents without having to deal with competition from the Premier League.
Obviously there would be exceptional players who would be allowed to get a permit. Seems the pc squad are out in force here, trying to make a race issue. There’s already numerous rules and regulations that clubs get around regardless. A special talent will still get into the premier league, it’s always been that way, but now they’re just making it an equal playing field for EU and none EU players, as it won’t be restricting their rights Under EU laws.
 

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"As with every other sector in the UK, Brexit means it will be more difficult to recruit internationally. The Government has been clear that they expect all sectors to follow these principles and football will not be afforded an exemption."
I'm not sure Clarke has really understood what the trend has been since Brexit. Its seen immigration stay roughly the same overall but with less from European countries and far more from countries around the world. I expect this trend to continue in 2021 onwards too, delighting both the Brexiteers who voted for racist reasons and the remainers who have caricatured all Brexiteers as knuckle dragging racists.

Interestingly, though I don't see the PL agreeing anyway, Clarke does seem to mention that his new system will guarantee an easier route through for South American and African players, which seems to have been missed a little on here.
 

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There were threads about this previously

From one of those in February


Time to revisit this topic?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/talkspo...r-league-post-brexit-war-homegrown-quota/amp/




I’ve read that this coming summer window will be the last chance to easily sign young EU players
The governing body sees Brexit as an opportunity to promote young English talent, with clubs potentially unable to sign players under the age of 18 from EU countries once the transition period ends.
 

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The likes of Kante and martial would not be signed under the new rules. But it’s gonna hurt smaller clubs even more who go for cheaper punts
 

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What the feck is happening to football....
The same thing that's happening to Britain. Rightwing brexiteer nutjobs (tax dodgers) have taken over.
We can't have all these bloody forrins comin over here with their muslamic rayguns, eating our women and jobs.
 

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This is no biggie. Its just similar rules as now but being applied to EU players equally as the rest of the world.
Did it really make sense before?
A south American gets a Spanish passport and then exempted from the “ability” rules here?
All foreign nationals will be treated equally now and the debate is how low the bar should be - anyone who has played at international level for example
 
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