Thiagoal
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Our fans will never be happy… is what I have taken from this thread…over and out!
We needed a midfielder.Our fans will never be happy… is what I have taken from this thread…over and out!
It's not obviousTo be fair we had a few gaps to plug and didn't do to bad in that regard, Ronaldo included as a top goalscorer.
I think it's pretty obvious we're after Rice and to get him it's going to cost a fortune, something we couldn't do this window (as gutted as I am).
I still think we're good enough to challenge but the defensivve midfield issue will probably see us fall short.
Whats the nonsense?It’s the Glazers mate, they aren’t giving away players for a loss. WHU didn’t meet our valuation for Jesse so we walked away from it.
This nonsense is quite ridiculous
Still waiting for that madness of deadline day. Maybe its the madness of nothingness.
Rio spoke highly of Woodward and Judge, and alluded to inside knowledge of what's going on. 20:35 mins in, says "here's a hint, deadline day is going to be madness."
There are no undroppables and certainly not a 36 year old. Both Bruno and Rashford were seriously overplayed last season. Pogba wasn't because he was dropped at the start of the season.We're going to have to make do with a double pivot, but what that means of course is that an attacking player will have to be sacrificed.
But who? The Undroppables are Ronaldo, Bruno and Pogba. We either go with Pogba in the pivot so we can unleash two of Sancho, Greenwood and Rashford or we go with McFred but then only one of JS, MR and MG get the start. Yes, injuries and rotation will play their part over the course of a season, but on any given day if we are to unleash our best XI we'll have to leave off someone who should be starting for us. A great problem to have, but we didn't spend 70m to bench Sancho. Greenwood, well, is grown into a beast. Rashford will return...a beast.
The hope is that McTominay can grow into a DM, but at the age of 24 can he do it? I have my doubts.
I dont think so. Ole already said after the Wolves game that Ronaldo isnt coming here to sit on the bench, and Ronaldo himself probably has a stipulation in his contract to play in 75% of league and Champs league games i'd guess.There are no undroppables and certainly not a 36 year old. Both Bruno and Rashford were seriously overplayed last season. Pogba wasn't because he was dropped at the start of the season.
Were overstocked this season no argument, 7 players you'd be keen to get on the pitch but only 4 places to use them. But Cavani is gone next season, Pogba will probably be gone and Ronaldo gone the next season. At which point you're down to 4 players for 4 positions and most of them approaching their peak you'd hope.
And frankly Cavani and Ronaldo are closer to one player in terms of the appearances you can expect from them. Rashford will be out for another month and half and your probably talking January before hes hitting some form in the best case scenario. Sancho will need time to settle and I'd still be a bit wary of maxing out Greenwoods appearances, a couple of weeks away from the first team here and there can still help him a lot. Can't Pogba negotiate with other teams in January too? We might not want to be too reliant on him in the run in if it comes to that.
I dont think Ronaldo coming in is ideal for the attack in terms of getting everyone the game time they need. But then training everyday with Ronaldo cant hurt them surely? So hopefully it evens itself out and the problem will start solving itself in a years time.
Similarly McTominay and Fred cant start every game so Pogba will be playing in midfield semi often.
Will we ever play with him and Cavani against a low block side? Having the two of them with width from sancho and possibly pogba with only one holding midfielder and Bruno underneath Ronaldo and Cavani to me is the best way to break down those blocksI dont think so. Ole already said after the Wolves game that Ronaldo isnt coming here to sit on the bench, and Ronaldo himself probably has a stipulation in his contract to play in 75% of league and Champs league games i'd guess.
So yeah Ronaldo will be playing a lot.
I'm getting the feeling that you're defo a half empty kind of guySancho is hardly a world-class signing, let’s give him time to see if he makes it at this level and if he has the confidence to succeed. Notching home assists in the Bundesliga against wide open defensive units is not the same as the Premier League, far from it.
Total bullshit, we have 4 options at a push, it's impossible to count Van de Beek as he never plays, and Pogba is better off on the left. Of the 3 who remain we have an average box to box in McTominay, a dog chasing a car in Fred and a walking corpse in Matic. The frustration is we have a short window of opportunity to get the most out of Ronaldo and we've wasted a season straight away.
I can see both Cavani and Ronaldo, especially at home, starting games with Cavani up front and Ronaldo on the left with a free role (which is how he plays now anyway, he doesnt just stop upfront like some poeple are saying).Will we ever play with him and Cavani against a low block side? Having the two of them with width from sancho and possibly pogba with only one holding midfielder and Bruno underneath Ronaldo and Cavani to me is the best way to break down those blocks
All 4 transfers (those and sale of James) are excellent. But without a midfielder we don’t have a complete side, so it’s about 8/10 transfer window. A strong 8/10, maybe 8.5/10 (with Lingard or Jones sold, it would be 9/10).Shame we couldn't get a DM but in all honesty Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho is by far way better than I expected.
I'm not sure he'll be desperate to play 90mins away getting kicked to pieces by Burnely after a champions league game. I thought Juventus had been using him more sparingly in recent years?I dont think so. Ole already said after the Wolves game that Ronaldo isnt coming here to sit on the bench, and Ronaldo himself probably has a stipulation in his contract to play in 75% of league and Champs league games i'd guess.
So yeah Ronaldo will be playing a lot.
He played 44 games for Juve last season, and i believe 42 of them were starts.I'm not sure he'll be desperate to play 90mins away getting kicked to pieces by Burnely after a champions league game. I thought Juventus had been using him more sparingly in recent years?
Remembering a time where we were that fecked in midfield we had to play Rooney there. At least we have "options"Total bullshit, we have 4 options at a push, it's impossible to count Van de Beek as he never plays, and Pogba is better off on the left. Of the 3 who remain we have an average box to box in McTominay, a dog chasing a car in Fred and a walking corpse in Matic. The frustration is we have a short window of opportunity to get the most out of Ronaldo and we've wasted a season straight away.
The good old times of Gibson and O'Shea or Rafael and Park in midfieldRemembering a time where we were that fecked in midfield we had to play Rooney there. At least we have "options"
Is that any worse than now to be fair?. In fact i'd probably take Gibson over Matic and Fred right now.The good old times of Gibson and O'Shea or Rafael and Park in midfield
Good thing you're not our manager thenIs that any worse than now to be fair?. In fact i'd probably take Gibson over Matic and Fred right now.
Well i would of bought a CM this window if i were manager so.Good thing you're not our manager then
I totally agree. Still over the moon we have Ronaldo back. But it is a massive mistake not signing a class central midfielder like Camavinga or Bissouma in the window. We are a top heavy side. How can anyone say it is okay to be relying on Fred, McT and Matic this season. Seriously. We are soft in the middle. And have been for yearsWe needed a midfielder.
We’ve had a fantastic window, I am happy, but we won’t win things with the midfield options we have this season.
Then we probably wouldn't have Varane. Who is actually available, who wants to come here and is a tier above what we have currently?Well i would of bought a CM this window if i were manager so.
I regret to inform you that Ronaldo, Bruno and Pogba are undroppable. Don't get me wrong, if Bruno has been worked into the ground Ole will eventually give him a day off. But what I'm talking about is the ordinary matchday when everyone is fit and in form. Ole is not going to drop any of those three absent a serious decline in form or obvious need for rest.There are no undroppables and certainly not a 36 year old. Both Bruno and Rashford were seriously overplayed last season. Pogba wasn't because he was dropped at the start of the season.
Were overstocked this season no argument, 7 players you'd be keen to get on the pitch but only 4 places to use them. But Cavani is gone next season, Pogba will probably be gone and Ronaldo gone the next season. At which point you're down to 4 players for 4 positions and most of them approaching their peak you'd hope.
And frankly Cavani and Ronaldo are closer to one player in terms of the appearances you can expect from them. Rashford will be out for another month and half and your probably talking January before hes hitting some form in the best case scenario. Sancho will need time to settle and I'd still be a bit wary of maxing out Greenwoods appearances, a couple of weeks away from the first team here and there can still help him a lot. Can't Pogba negotiate with other teams in January too? We might not want to be too reliant on him in the run in if it comes to that.
I dont think Ronaldo coming in is ideal for the attack in terms of getting everyone the game time they need. But then training everyday with Ronaldo cant hurt them surely? So hopefully it evens itself out and the problem will start solving itself in a years time.
Similarly McTominay and Fred cant start every game so Pogba will be playing in midfield semi often.
Yep, and also this was the best time to get him because we could have knocked 20M off the price by throwing Lingard the other way.It's not obvious
When talking about Center Midfield, the gold standard is Keane and Scholes.Lindelof is horrible when pressed and the one position you want to be not horrible is DM, otherwise calamities ensue.
plus it’s easier to hit a long ball from defence with more options ahead than it is to do it in midfield
Pogba needs to be more forward than Scholes ever did. Yes, Scholes had runs as a 10, but you could always trust him to drop back stay deep, and reliably bring the ball from the back 4. The issue with Pogba is that he can be lackadaisical in defence, which you can't be in a 2 man midfield, and he can take unneccssary risks trying to take it out of the defensive 3rd. Pogba is an incredibly talented player but has obvious faults. Scholes while not great defensively read the play much better and always put in a shift. If Pogba could read the game like Scholes and put as much effort in, he could play in a midfield 2 with anyone. Scholes could excel playing with someone like Fletcher who did similar things to Fred well, like press higher up the pitch to win balls, something Pogba isn't comfortable doing with Fred.When talking about Center Midfield, the gold standard is Keane and Scholes.
Steel and Silk. In Pogba we have a player who is close to what Scholes was.
But there is no one close to Keane's level when you think of the players we have been linked with. And honestly we cannot expect anyone to come close for some time.
All we can do is improve the options we have, either by bringing in a player or converting someone who has not played there.
Lindeloff has his weaknesses but he is another option.
McT, Fred and Matic are not even going to get us Top 4 if we compare to the other top contenders.
Chelsea have the best midfielder in Jorginho.
Going into the rest of the season with the 3 we use is going to get us many lost points especially as Ole cannot think on his feet and is clueless against low block teams.
Even up front we have two ageing strikers and Rashford who blows hot and cold. Greenwood is just establishing himself and will be burnt out if overused.
Sancho is settling in and will improve.
The one area we are solid in is defence.
Varane is the best signing we have made bar none this season. Maguire should be learning from the master.
De Gea has had the kick up his backside he deserved and may be the goalkeeper he was again.
Not every team is going to play open football like Leeds.
and hopefully untrueIt's not obvious
Being coached to play in midfield.So the only player we managed to sell was James...
why the feck cant we let go of players we dont need...
Also.. where the feck is Bailly? Injured again?
Him, Jones, and Mata will stay at the club until they dieAlso.. where the feck is Bailly? Injured again?