Maguire | he stays!

croadyman said:
They are not right at all we are SKINT and need to sign two midfielders before the rest are over the hills and away in this league
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As I understand it he still has a book value of £26.6M so if we only recoup £23M on his sale, we actually make a loss and have less to spend, due to FFP limitaitons.
 
quadrant said:
As I understand it he still has a book value of £26.6M so if we only recoup £23M on his sale, we actually make a loss and have less to spend, due to FFP limitaitons.
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To hell with the loss we need to sign players
 
Wilt said:
De Jong wasn’t wanted at Barcelona. He refused to leave because he was owed £15m.

Whats the difference? (other than one being a very good footballer)
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Probably explained 200 times in this thread but in case of De Jong it was money Barca owned him from previous years. A bit like if Maguire got just 100k/week in the previous 4 years despite being in 190k/week with an understanding that he will get the other 90k/week as a lump sum in some future date.

So in case of De Jong it was a debt that Barca owned him. In case of Maguire, it is future earnings that he will get if he plays here. Of course he is completely on the right to demand it (or just say that he won’t move). United is also completely on the right to make clear to him that he won’t play a single minute for us. But we are a soft club lead by soft people, he will probably be reintegrated in the team, cost us goals while fans chant his name.
 
If West Ham are willing to pay Maguire something around what Zouma makes (supposedly 120k p/w), he'd lose around...what? 6-8m (depending on how much he's actually at currently, at United, the lowest and highest estimates are quite a bit apart) over the next two years (he's got two years left on his current contract).

ETA Point being that it seems about right if he's actually said that he wants a compensation package worth 7m.

Whether United should agree to this is another question altogether.

For me, I say - do it. I can't see it being anything but detrimental to keep him around as a "potentially okay" backup player who a) doesn't fit the system/is not fancied by ETH and b) happens to be a high-profile player/a starter for England.
 
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quadrant said:
As I understand it he still has a book value of £26.6M so if we only recoup £23M on his sale, we actually make a loss and have less to spend, due to FFP limitaitons.
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Selling McTominay would've solved all that, the club should've accepted both offers from WHU.
 
quadrant said:
As I understand it he still has a book value of £26.6M so if we only recoup £23M on his sale, we actually make a loss and have less to spend, due to FFP limitaitons.
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We made profits on Elanga, it’s ok to lose a bit here.
 
He's entitled to his money thats the contract he signed.

The company has to pay hi,

He's also going to sit on the bench - the manager doesn't have to play him

Its now purely commercial for the company.
 
We need to wake up on this....

the dangerous precedent has already been set with paying 80m for Maguire, making him captain and giving him a wage.

Maguire is worthless to us. He is a liability and if it costs us 6/7 million out of the 30 fee so be it.

Thats 23m we can put to good use. Its 23m more than we received for Jones, Lingard, Martial or any other player we mismanaged.

Take the hit, get him gone and learn how to manage a football club
 
Very sad to hear this. Maguire is really making it difficult for us to continue supporting him.

All his interviews where he is talking about the importance of playing time and play for England just seems nonsense

I hope this do not change our strategy in targeting Pavard or a similar CB and also extend the Evans contract. In this case Maguire is of course, legally, allowed to stay and fight for his position but, hopefully all the other 5 CBS would be in front of him…
 
For those saying just get rid - I'm pretty sure there will be big FFP repercussions for selling him at a much lower value than he was bought.
 
led_scholes said:
I don't understand why we don't pay him. He is a limited player with no use, no ambition and bad mentality (by rejecting WH, he just accepts his demotion and don't want to fight for his career).

I m sure his agent advised him to stay on his contract. He will be semi retired in 2 years with no football and I doubt he will be able to find a contract over 20k. Does he believe that the Saudis will give him a grant contract?
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Who said he rejected WH? All reports say that he hasn’t spoken with them yet because United didn’t progress the sell quickly enough
 
Beans said:
He's literally entitled to it by the contract.

He might be completely lacking anything that would inspire a fan, but he does have a contract.
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He is entitled to it by the contract if he stays here for the length of the contract, he won't be. It isn't the clubs fault he can't justify a team giving him those wages.

A payoff shouldn't be an option and I'm glad the club are standing firm. Let him go without a payoff or have him rot in the reserves.

The nerve of the guy to be so poor that his only option is West Ham and then demand a payoff to go there.
 
JB7 said:
I made a comment on what I would do, that doesn't render any of this - And for a northerner, with a young family, settled not too far from their own families, moving to London probably is a huge downgrade in terms of his life comfortability - any less accurate. I just don't see how you people seem to be holding this against him, he's essentially being sold without really wanting to go and offered a huge pay decrease by the new club, he is perfectly entitled to expect a pay-off from United (it's very common for players to receive pay-offs when leaving clubs, it's just not usually newsworthy). This is on United and their previous ridiculous wage policy.
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The latest mistake was accepting a fee bid from West Ham without knowing how much Maguire wants. If they talked to each other he could have told them and then we could have nudged WH up a smidge to cover a bit more of his pay off.

The other way to do it would be for Maguire to make a signing on fee part of his package from West Ham so they could factor that into their fee bid.

We can put it down to poor communication but it’s pretty amateur.
 
It’s obvious…. Pay him the difference in wages from the transfer fee, get him off the books and buy another defender.

The alternative being he stays at Utd and walks out on a free.
 
McGrathsipan said:
He's entitled to his money thats the contract he signed.

The company has to pay hi,

He's also going to sit on the bench - the manager doesn't have to play him

Its now purely commercial for the company.
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Exactly. Not sure why everyone is lashing out at him. I still think he will move before the end of the window, possibly on loan. With all the ACL injuries, there could be a more of them in the next two weeks and who knows what club will need an emergency England CB (for now).
 
lilcurt said:
He is entitled to it by the contract if he stays here for the length of the contract, he won't be. It isn't the clubs fault he can't justify a team giving him those wages.

A payoff shouldn't be an option and I'm glad the club are standing firm. Let him go without a payoff or have him rot in the reserves.

The nerve of the guy to be so poor that his only option is West Ham and then demand a payoff to go there.
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His contract is not performance related. The club took a risk giving him the contract. It doesn’t matter if he hasn’t played for the five years or not. As far as Harry is concerned, he hasn’t violated the contract and it’s a fixed-term contract, so he is owed that money.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
How can anyone rationalise paying him the remainder of his contract? You get paid the entirity of a contract when you see out the entire contract by being an employee and doing your job for the full length of it. If we sell him then he's no longer an employee and he'll have already have been paid what he's owed by United up until that point of leaving. Paying him off means he'll get paid wages he's not earned here on top of additional wages he'll be earning at his new club. It's pure fecking greed. If he wants to stay and be a backup player fine. If he wants to leave then he should accept a wage decrease befitting of his status and value to his new employer. He'll still be richer than 99% of the population ffs
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Your maths is way off. He loses money by not getting paid off. Why would anyone expect him to lose money?
 
Wilt said:
It’s obvious…. Pay him the difference in wages from the transfer fee, get him off the books and buy another defender.

The alternative being he stays at Utd and walks out on a free.
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And gets a bigger signing on fee as a free agent.
 
peridigm said:
Exactly. Not sure why everyone is lashing out at him. I still think he will move before the end of the window, possibly on loan. With all the ACL injuries, there could be a more of them in the next two weeks and who knows what club will need an emergency England CB (for now).
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It's the same as the lashing out at Phil Jones for having the audacity to try and get fit while still under contract.
 
JB7 said:
I made a comment on what I would do, that doesn't render any of this - And for a northerner, with a young family, settled not too far from their own families, moving to London probably is a huge downgrade in terms of his life comfortability - any less accurate. I just don't see how you people seem to be holding this against him, he's essentially being sold without really wanting to go and offered a huge pay decrease by the new club, he is perfectly entitled to expect a pay-off from United (it's very common for players to receive pay-offs when leaving clubs, it's just not usually newsworthy). This is on United and their previous ridiculous wage policy.
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People are entitled to hold it against him, just as many are saying he's entitled to everything he can get his mitts on. I'm sure pretty most of us have had redundancy payments (which is what this would be) at some point you should just want to be somewhere that wants you, for your own sense of self-respect. Move on, and worse, don't look like some sort of grasping failure.
 
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Adisa said:
His contract is not performance related. The club took a risk giving him the contract. It doesn’t matter if he hasn’t played for the five years or not. As far as Harry is concerned, he hasn’t violated the contract and it’s a fixed-term contract, so he is owed that money.
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Exactly, it is a fixed term contract on the bases he is an employee of the club for the term of the contract. He both parties decide to end the contract early (a transfer), then he isn't "due" the difference in pay, this is just something he is asking for to agree to leave, it isn't a legal right.

It just demonstrates that short term money is more important to him than his playing career. He is being offered a four-year contract at West Ham which is more money than we are due to pay him over the long term. He just doesn't back himself, never had the right mentality.
 
lilcurt said:
It just demonstrates that short term money is more important to him than his playing career. He is being offered a four-year contract at West Ham which is more money than we are due to pay him over the long term. He just doesn't back himself, never had the right mentality.
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Any footballer that is content to sit on his arse, rather than actually play football and further his career, clearly has a piss poor mentality.
 
Beans said:
He's literally entitled to it by the contract.

He might be completely lacking anything that would inspire a fan, but he does have a contract.
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Of course he is, by law he isn't required to leave at all. I'm merely differentiating between De Jong's case (which was deferred wages) and Harry's, which is a player who doesn't want to move to a club where he'd take a paycut.

Is it understandable on his part? Yes absolutely. But as a United fan I find it hard not to hold him in contempt for scuppering our summer business. By refusing to move it deprives us of funds to upgrade on him.
 
Maguire should look at deGea he’s a free and not exactly a que of clubs looking to sign him up. 4 years at WHU is not to be sniffed at. He could prob stretch that to 5 if he wanted to but no doubt his agent is giving advice that’s linked to money not career.
 
The more I thought about it the more I thought what’s the point in selling Maguire for us just to buy a 4th choice replacement that would cost upwards of 40m plus the 7m Maguire layoff? We literally might as well just keep Maguire as 4th choice.

we should only sell him if we are using the 30m to strengthen the midfield or ST departments.
 
TenHag has to do what someone like mourinho would do. Make him understand he won't even be on the bench anymore, don't register him for Europe. He leaves or he rots in the reserves.
 
JustCoco said:
It's actually being reported as high as £15 million.

Feck him. This decision is an admittance that he doesn't care about getting dropped for England, blasé attitude about wanting to actually get game time (because he won't be getting it if he stays) and wants to blackmail the club for money be knows would be invested to make an improvement to the team (shows a complete disdain about the club and it's journey for success.)

So he's lied about wanting to play, lied about respect and wanting to represent England, lied about his respect and love for the club.

He's a scab and deserves no respect from anyone.
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Why should he walk away from £15M? Most people wouldn't make such a decision, nor should Maguire. This is on the club.
 
Ikon said:
Any footballer that is content to sit on his arse, rather than actually play football and further his career, clearly has a piss poor mentality.
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His actions in Greece along with his comments before the game at anfield in 2022 validated everyone’s view of him. He’s not a leader nor worthy of wearing the United shirt.
 
SmallCaine said:
TenHag has to do what someone like mourinho would do. Make him understand he won't even be on the bench anymore, don't register him for Europe. He leaves or he rots in the reserves.
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ten Hag has done a lot right but his handling of Maguire at this stage makes him look weak and completely off the mark. The fact he named him to the bench and then opened the door for his return is fairly pathetic. Be ruthless, get your replacement in and tell Maguire he’s finished.
 
Why is the British media treating him like he's some saint?

Imagine this was Pogba a lot more people would have called him Out as a stupid money grabber.
 
Beans said:
He's literally entitled to it by the contract.

He might be completely lacking anything that would inspire a fan, but he does have a contract.
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He’s literally not. He hasn’t served his contract to be entitled for that amount.
You are essentially saying - let him get another contract during the time he’s supposed to serve the United one(albeit less paid one), but get the money from both parties ? Well feck that. If he wants to get United money then the club has a strong position as well - let him sit in the stands for 2 years, his value will be close to zero and he will not get anywhere near even 100k contract after that.

the current contract will then be his golden parachute.

But no - the twat wants to receive money from United for a contract he hasn’t served, receive money from West Ham, playing for them, protecting his value, even reviving his career and place in the NT and even why not get another good value contract in his 30s..
 
quadrant said:
As I understand it he still has a book value of £26.6M so if we only recoup £23M on his sale, we actually make a loss and have less to spend, due to FFP limitaitons.
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If we don't sell him we have an FFP hit of 24.5m per year for the next two years.
13.3m transfer fee amortisation and 11.2m wages (190k per week plus employers' NIC).

If we sell him for a net £23m we have an FFP hit of 3.6m. So we are definitely much better off selling him from an FFP point of view. 45m+ over two years.

Of course we would then have the cost of replacing him...
 
Enigma_87 said:
He’s literally not. He hasn’t served his contract to be entitled for that amount.
You are essentially saying - let him get another contract during the time he’s supposed to serve the United one(albeit less paid one), but get the money from both parties ? Well feck that. If he wants to get United money then the club has a strong position as well - let him sit in the stands for 2 years, his value will be close to zero and he will not get anywhere near even 100k contract after that.

the current contract will then be his golden parachute.

But no - the twat wants to receive money from United for a contract he hasn’t served, receive money from West Ham, playing for them, protecting his value, even reviving his career and place in the NT and even why not get another good value contract in his 30s..
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Do you think 7m is the value left on his contract?
 
Enigma_87 said:
He’s literally not. He hasn’t served his contract to be entitled for that amount.
You are essentially saying - let him get another contract during the time he’s supposed to serve the United one(albeit less paid one), but get the money from both parties ? Well feck that. If he wants to get United money then the club has a strong position as well - let him sit in the stands for 2 years, his value will be close to zero and he will not get anywhere near even 100k contract after that.

the current contract will then be his golden parachute.

But no - the twat wants to receive money from United for a contract he hasn’t served, receive money from West Ham, playing for them, protecting his value, even reviving his career and place in the NT and even why not get another good value contract in his 30s..
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Missing out on 30 million and having an asset you refuse to use isn't really that strong a position. Maguire, if he's sensible, will be set for life with the money he has made.
 
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