Man Convicted in Scotland for Making a Joke

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    Physiocrat Has No Mates

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    Man teaches his dog to salute when he says "seig heil" and to react to "gas the Jews" has been convicted of being "grossly offensive". Even if you think it was offensive, he has been convicted for telling a joke. Freedom of speech is not moving in a good way.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43478925

    Edit - No member of the public actually claimed they were offended by the video. The police themselves decided that it was and used their diversity statement in court as proof of offence - this is according to Dankula himself in an interview with him

    "Grossly Offensive" video-


    Edit - Tried just to link the vid, not embed it but it embeds automatically.
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    DiseaseOfTheAge wants Amber Rudd to call him a naughty boy

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    What's he actually been convicted of?

    As far as I know 'grossly offensive' isn't a criminal offense.
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    Drainy Full Member

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    https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidan...es-involving-communications-sent-social-media
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    RedFish Full Member

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    Joke is on him. Yuk.
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    DiseaseOfTheAge wants Amber Rudd to call him a naughty boy

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    DiseaseOfTheAge wants Amber Rudd to call him a naughty boy

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    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127

    He'll get a small fine, I assume. If so, I wouldn't find this unfair.
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    DiseaseOfTheAge wants Amber Rudd to call him a naughty boy

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    I imagine he is either quite stressed and contemplating the worst possible or lying.
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    Hitchez New Member

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    Not sure I believe his excuse and he's probably a racist man but arresting him for that is quite stupid.
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    Physiocrat Has No Mates

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    You'd be stressed if you had this case hanging over your head for two years. They aren't even going to sentence him until late April. The court case itself has become a punishment in and of itself.
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    DiseaseOfTheAge wants Amber Rudd to call him a naughty boy

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    Yes, I agree with all that - which is why I'd argue a small fine would be appropriate.
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    DiseaseOfTheAge wants Amber Rudd to call him a naughty boy

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    In theory.

    In practice, I've managed to comment on Youtube without using the words 'gas the Jews' repeatedly.
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    There must be a documentary about you somewhere?

    YouTube comments sections are probably the most racist and inhumane corner of the internet.
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    What about the dog? He's as guilty as the owner
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    DiseaseOfTheAge wants Amber Rudd to call him a naughty boy

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    :lol:

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    hobbers Full Member

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    For this to be a criminal offence is as disgusting as the joke, frankly.

    Scotland wanting so hard to be Canada.
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    Sied I..erm..love U2, baby?

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    What a complete fecking waste of the police and court's time.
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    Dumbat12 New Member

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    Our societies are really starting to represent the early stages of dystopia. To jail a man for that? Really?
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    Cheesy Bread with dipping sauce Scout

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    It's a bit bizarre. I'd understand if it was his child, for example, but this can't really be seen as indoctrination considering it's his dog and not a human. Plus we continue to tolerate Orange Order marches in Scotland which are hardly bastions of decency and contain plenty of vileness. Feels like he's been singled out here, and not for good reason. Even if he is a cnut.
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    berbatrick Full Member Scout

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    :lol:

    Edit: more appropriately, kek
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    Cheesy Bread with dipping sauce Scout

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    The conviction is based on a UK-wide law, so no, not really.

    I'm completely against this conviction but the idea we're starting to look like some oppressive dystopia is bollocks when you consider there've been vast periods of human history up until recently where people couldn't be openly gay without persecution, or where criticism of the church or monarchy would get you in hot water.
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    I know but still, I get the feeling that Police Scotland are wasting far too much time on this sort of nonsense when compared with most police forces down in England.
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    Cheesy Bread with dipping sauce Scout

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    Probably, but ultimately the law is still UK-based and thus the complaint about Scotland doesn't really hold water. And I say that as someone who's got my own complaints about Police Scotland as well.
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    This.
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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    The car hasn't yet reached there but all the signs are that it is travelling in that direction.
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    The dog is perfectly fine last i heard.
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    Cheesy Bread with dipping sauce Scout

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    In what sense, though? As I'm saying society has always had taboos and a number of things people have been persecuted for saying or doing, often wrongfully. In 50 years we'll likely look back and think of things that have become acceptable/unacceptable to say when it would've been unthinkable now. As I alluded to in my post, institutions like the church and the monarchy used to be incredibly immune to public criticism. During the Cold War and even beforehand anyone who identified as a Communist was often targeted and treated appallingly for having an opinion which differed from the mainstream, McCarthyism being the prime example. And that's not to mention the array of abhorrent regimes in fairly modern, Western countries which were rampant with human rights abuses and a lack of freedom in speech in a time so recently there are still plenty of people who were alive back then.

    I can understand opposition to this conviction and would largely agree with that sentiment myself, but it conversely doesn't mean we're headed towards some totalitarian society where the government controls everything we say.
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    Even if you think it was offensive?

    Prosecution may or may not be over the top but the op lost me at the start, suggesting there is some doubt over whether it's offensive or not. If Gas the Jews isn't offensive I'm fecked if I know what is.
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    Just one point - making taboo statements didn't always get you in jail, in some cases it did but governments since at least the 1980s, note the Public Order Act in particular, has been clamping down on unauthorised speech.
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    DiseaseOfTheAge wants Amber Rudd to call him a naughty boy

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    Nor has it as yet in this instance. Nor is that likely.
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    Cheesy Bread with dipping sauce Scout

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    I'm not referring to any specific period though, and more to human history in general, to highlight the fact that recently and going back in advanced society there have been certain acts/speech which typically got you into a lot of trouble even though we'd find it to be absurd now. The idea we're headed toward some totalitarian dystopia is therefore largely unfounded, even if this is a troubling case.
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    Because frankly, it was hilarious.
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    Physiocrat Has No Mates

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    Pedant. Or fines or other punishment from the state. Nor the threat of such for 2 years.
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    DiseaseOfTheAge wants Amber Rudd to call him a naughty boy

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    Pretty much.
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    :lol:

    Poor fcuking dog though. Imagine having that eejit as your owner.
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    Drainy Full Member

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    Pretty funny, but I hope that this isn't your actual opinion. One of your most famous posts was in breach of this law.
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    Scarecrow Having a week off

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    That doesn't make you a Nazi, ffs, are you serious? :lol:

    He seems like your regular shitposter.
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    It’s offensive. What’s more if he’d taught his dog to respond to comments about blacks, foreigners, immigrants or whatever......as a joke of course....there’d be an outcry on this forum.