pretty sure we are saying literally the exact same thing for bailly as we did back for jones. Can't wait til 4 or 5 years from now as we are saying damn cant believe it is time for bailly's testimonial and he has only played about 20 more games in that span.
Man United begin contract talks with Eric Bailly
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That's literally what everyone who defended it was saying about Jones when he signed his contract. That turned out great.
It's like some of you are paying out of your own pockets for a new CB that we need, so would rather keep Bailly then spend money on his replacement.
Caf logic: extending injury prone player contract means that we will improve his value when he gets older and sell him for good money.
this is from Phil Jones extension thread, protecting the value arguments:
this is from Phil Jones extension thread, protecting the value arguments:
Cool the jets United fans!
Jones contract was out in the summer, by him signing 4+1 we now can sell him for prime value (what ever what may be. £30-35m in today's market?) as opposed to letting him leave for free.
No offence guys, just using it to compare the situation with Bailly's at the moment.
Don't have any problems with this, he provides decent cover.
Or theres a fixed budget and losing, say a 10m asset for nothing and having to replace him for 20 odd million is a 30m swing loss from where we are now.
Its unnecessary. A replacement for a 4th choice defender is ridculous if we dont have to do it.
Do 4th choice CBs make many appearances? His inury records been better this sesson, hes been on the bench a lot of times, as well as playing.
Bailly didn’t want to sign a new contract because he believed he should be playing more and the reason why Bailly changed his heart is because we promised to give him more minutes. Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly and Tuanzebe are already 4 centre backs, it’s simple maths.
Put those two sentences together, we get clear conclusion. Bailly’s new contract is secured to ensure we have 4 centre back next season and promised to be given more minutes, meaning we are no longer in for that centre back position this summer.
This is not a surprised news when the club decided to move on from the position to concentrate on other position. It happened before when we gave Mata & Matic new contract and it makes sense because this summer we are also reported targeting midfielder and attacker.
Even if we let him go and not buy anyone we will hardly lose anything, he has played total of 10 games this year, and total of 5,5 games last year. That's not even squad player value, we can always combine someone like McTominay or Matic in his position if we are really short for 3-4 games a season.
And many will argue that buying top class or at least very good CB should be our no.1 priority next summer, so spending good part of our budget on good CB wouldn't be a bad idea.
this is the big news today?
what a time to be alive!
what a time to be alive!
Well surely having Bailly is better than not having Bailly with no replacement? Im all for another CB but Bailly can play CB and cover RCB. If he isnt taking up space then its a decent signing
Even keep him for a year and sell him off next summer when we look at our defensive options. Its really not that important imo.
According to reports Real Betis were interested but 1. didn’t want to pay the €13 millions that a United asked for and 2. His salary at United is much higher than any other player in their team.
Here's the thing, I don't see Tuanzebe as the 4th CB, at least not at this stage. He's another defender who's been injury-prone, and I'm not so sure if he's really in United's plans. If he really was, we'd be seeing him rotate with one of Lindelöf and Maguire, but he hasn't (save for the 2nd leg against Granada).
I wouldn't be surprised if we bring in a new CB to take Tuanzebe's spot in the squad (either as a starter or added depth).
No one wants to pay wages that we give to our players, that's why it's really difficult to offload players from United. Our average wages are far bigger than the likes of Roma, Lazio, etc. give to their highest paid player, and you will hardly sell them to PSG.
I disagree, having him here will mean our owners or whoever is responsible for recruitments will be happy with numbers, when in reality we have numbers but no quality. I don't even mind him regarding quality as a defender, you can hardly get better 3rd or fourth choice, but he is unreliable and injured more often than not, and third or fourth choice CB needs to be ready always if we are talking about proper squad player. For example James is far better squad player than Bailly even if he isn't quality as him in his position. Same with Telles, McTominay, Matic, even Mata, etc. Bailly is not that good to compensate for his lack of gaming time.
Varane or nobody for me
Am I being jaded, that this is the type of thing I am worried about now the Glazers evil ESL dreams have been quashed? Re-sign Baily and he's our new CB signing for the Summer? They will not spend much more than a fricken dime on the squad now.
He is not even that good when he plays, gets overrated because of his pace. On top I assume some people are just overwhelmed by his mere presence on the pitch as it’s such a rare occurrence that anything he does seems out of this world to them.
I usually have a lot of patience for most of our players, but I gave up on him ages ago and am really frustrated that the club offered him an extension.
Could we really not have used some academy kid for the 7,25 games per season on average he manages to play?
I usually have a lot of patience for most of our players, but I gave up on him ages ago and am really frustrated that the club offered him an extension.
Could we really not have used some academy kid for the 7,25 games per season on average he manages to play?
I’m pretty sure this is the situation. No way he would sign if he knew he would get even fewer minutes. Or basically zero minutes.
It’s not so easy to sell players with the salaries we have. Also, either he is successful and then we won’t sell him. Or he’s not successful and then nobody wants to buy him.
I would guess that means we aren't signing a CB this summer, which is a bummer as I thought we could do with a really good addition in that area of the pitch. I like Bailly as a player, he's largely done well when played this year, I am unsure whether this is the right move for the club going forwards. I can only hope this means that we are freeing up funds for a strong addition further up the pitch.
That's your thing. Unfortunately your thing doesn't suit to what actually happened based on what has been reported. What has been reported is that Bailly wouldn't sign a new contract if he won't play enough games. Today he just signed a new contract means he is promised to get more minutes and we have 4 centre backs now for next season. This concludes only one thing that there is no reason for us to spend money on a new CB this summer, you don't expect the 4th choice to play often anyway since Maguire and Lindelof are not injury prone means Tuanzebe is the most ideal 4th choice.
They probably believe they need to invest in other areas. The defence has improved a lot lately, and that includes all in the back 4 and goalkeeper. I just saw stats that Lindelof has 8 clean sheets in his last 12 games. If we can trust our defence to stay that good we will improve more if we invest the money elsewhere.
He's directly involved in negotiations. Bailly has a Masters degree in economics from Harvard before he became a footballer.
I’d forgotten that! Remind me, was that before or after he studied law at St Andrews?
I've mentioned previously that things can change and that this might mean no CB coming in this summer. I wouldn't necessarily completely rule it out, though. Let's see what comes out over the next few weeks.
Based on what has been reported about Bailly, the article about us looking for midfielder and the fact we have 4 centre back already, it's fair enough to say those have tackled everything what you have said/mentioned.
This is what I think we’ve decided too. I think we will hang only Axel too now as we won’t shed the defence too much.
If he's seen as a good influence for the team then fine. He plays about a third of our games and he's reasonably good when he plays. That's worth paying moderate wages for.
I believe he only visited St Andrew as a visiting professor. Did you know that he's also credited as a songwriter om Waka Waka?
Another player that talked about leaving and being disresepcted by the manager, who despite this signs another contact extention. Perhaps he has realised that no other club wants him on his present salary or injury record so he is better off staying.
I know other forum members have said that he is good cover etc., but like Phil Jones in truth he nor Jones are because their injury records are horrendous. Jones in 10 seasons has made 165 appearances, of which in the present season has made none and in the season before 2 and in all thast time scored 2 goals.
Now Bailly statistically has a better record but not by much having made 100 appearances over 5 years and scored 1 goal.
Now how many Premier League clubs have carried 2 players over a period of 10 years with such poor injury records, I cannot think of 1, although have not troubled myself to look at this angle, perhaps others on this forum can supply the answer.
I believe that clubs have a duty as employees to support staff with medical problems, but a time comes when perhaps it is time to let them go and in the case of these two, they should not have been offered new contracts.
I know other forum members have said that he is good cover etc., but like Phil Jones in truth he nor Jones are because their injury records are horrendous. Jones in 10 seasons has made 165 appearances, of which in the present season has made none and in the season before 2 and in all thast time scored 2 goals.
Now Bailly statistically has a better record but not by much having made 100 appearances over 5 years and scored 1 goal.
Now how many Premier League clubs have carried 2 players over a period of 10 years with such poor injury records, I cannot think of 1, although have not troubled myself to look at this angle, perhaps others on this forum can supply the answer.
I believe that clubs have a duty as employees to support staff with medical problems, but a time comes when perhaps it is time to let them go and in the case of these two, they should not have been offered new contracts.
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I don't mind if United go for unknown talent if they got serious skill. That was I was expected us to do with CB backups. Instead we're insisting on giving contracts to our crocks.
This.
Even though hes made of paper its still better than him leaving for free and there are other areas of the pitch more in need of strengthening than CB
You know what’s kinda BS, the OLE has promised him more game minutes rubbish. You have to be fit to play and let’s be honest that was probably banded around when in reality he was holding out for more money or letting United know he’s willing to leave if they don’t up the money. If you want more minutes Bailly, stay fit and perform better than Lindelof and Maguire.
Personally I’d still bring in a defender as Competition for Lindelof and Maguire and send Tuanzebe on loan or something where he can maybe get more game time to get one more look to see if he’s up to it.
Personally I’d still bring in a defender as Competition for Lindelof and Maguire and send Tuanzebe on loan or something where he can maybe get more game time to get one more look to see if he’s up to it.
This is the cheap and less risk option, and rationally the righ thing to do if the coaches think Bailly is good enough. I want to see Bailly more on the pitch and I hope he gets more minutes next season.
If we do loose Bailly then I hope the scouts come good for the club and find a cheap option. There are other areas on the pitch where I want most of our transfer budget to be focused, CF, DM or Grealish *drool*
EDIT: I thought his name was spelled Bailey, guess I am not perfect after all
If we do loose Bailly then I hope the scouts come good for the club and find a cheap option. There are other areas on the pitch where I want most of our transfer budget to be focused, CF, DM or Grealish *drool*
EDIT: I thought his name was spelled Bailey, guess I am not perfect after all
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Jesus christ at least get his name right
I would be almost ready to bet my house on it. ESL was their ultimate guarantee of giving minimum extra 20 years of life to their debt loaded cash cow. They do not want to spend on the cow themselves, nor do they allow it to green pastures to make it safe-sustainable. I can see very limited budget on transfers unless we sell big, i.e. part ways with Paul Pogba.
I think you might be over analysing it now. This club has been extending contracts in this way for many years now. It’s really not that strange. For me the only “thing” is that Bailly has been unhappy with his little game time, and he has probably been guaranteed that they won’t sign another CB this summer as that could mean basically zero minutes for him.
At least we won`t have to buy a centre back for 4 or 5 years now .
He can take Jones' place as squad crock as I think Jones will leave this summer.
If his presence keeps Amad happy and Amad flourishes next season then its worth it.
Plus he is a good defender when he's fit and on it.
If his presence keeps Amad happy and Amad flourishes next season then its worth it.
Plus he is a good defender when he's fit and on it.
Do you have a link? The whole post makes sense and is very likely but I've only seen we'd be after a midfielder if Pogba leaves
Lose has one "o" as well