Man United say Financial Fair Play will restrict transfers

[bosskeano]

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...ed-say-financial-fair-play-restrict-transfers


All this talk about what United need to bring in and ship out during the january window.....looks like people have clearly forgotten about the impacts of FFP.

Even if we ship out players, we don't have the financial wiggle room from FFP to make many if any moves at all during the window.

Seems like the influx of cash from INEOS is the only real chance of getting to dip into the transfer market where hopefully they wouldn't feck it up and find a couple midfielders and an attacker

 

[Skills]

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...ed-say-financial-fair-play-restrict-transfers


All this talk about what United need to bring in and ship out during the january window.....looks like people have clearly forgotten about the impacts of FFP.

Even if we ship out players, we don't have the financial wiggle room from FFP to make many if any moves at all during the window.

Seems like the influx of cash from INEOS is the only real chance of getting to dip into the transfer market where hopefully they wouldn't feck it up and find a couple midfielders and an attacker

Don't think so. Owners can't inject cash into the club for transfers without falling foul to FFP. Only infrastructure

 

[Ekeke]

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...ed-say-financial-fair-play-restrict-transfers


All this talk about what United need to bring in and ship out during the january window.....looks like people have clearly forgotten about the impacts of FFP.

Even if we ship out players, we don't have the financial wiggle room from FFP to make many if any moves at all during the window.

Seems like the influx of cash from INEOS is the only real chance of getting to dip into the transfer market where hopefully they wouldn't feck it up and find a couple midfielders and an attacker

We obviously need to sell and reduce wages with loans too

The concerning thing about that is we're absolutely terrible at moving players on or selling at the right time before players lose all value. We also tend to let our young players who are worth at least something leave with expired contracts so we dont even pick up the £1 or £2 million deals often enough for players who arent going to make it at United. So while we need to sell and reduce wages, the likelyhood of us doing that in a decent fashion for more than 1 or 2 players isnt good. We normally just end up with loads of players regressing in value and not playing

Best hope Chelsea and Newcastle or Saudi clubs are interested in some of our players

 

[LawCharltonBest]

United have said this every transfer window since FFP came in. Just another of the clubs lines to prepare for the failure they know they're likely to have.

If Joel and Avram knocked heads, suffered brain injuries and both decided that they want to make United the best team in the world again, they could sign anyone willing to come. Ambitious clubs find a way to get those deals done.

 

[horsechoker]

Even without a takeover this should prompt a major revamp of transfers. We have a poor squad and can't spend

 

[Ali Dia]

How to totally run a healthy profitable successful club into the ground.

 

[Scriblerus]

Another great example of how well the club has been run in the past few years. Apart from the odd world star (eg Ronaldo Mark 1) no club is going to pay the transfer fees that we do or offer a higher wage to anyone on the club's books. So we can't move them on, and can't inject cash to refresh. Liverpool banked a lot of Saudi cash and went out and bought a new midfield in one transfer window. Can't see us managing anything like that.

 

[Scandi Red]

Meh, we just gotta spend smart.

And toss City into the shadow realm where they belong.

 

[VP89]

Don't think so. Owners can't inject cash into the club for transfers without falling foul to FFP. Only infrastructure

I think owners can help with FFP in our case? At least I recall this being mentioned by Kieran Maguire.

 

[Zed 101]

Well it makes a change from no value in the market

 

[justsomebloke]

Don't think so. Owners can't inject cash into the club for transfers without falling foul to FFP. Only infrastructure

They can pick up a portion of the losses, which has the practical effect of giving more wiggle room for transfers.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Don't think so. Owners can't inject cash into the club for transfers without falling foul to FFP. Only infrastructure

They can, up to £90m in a 3 year cycle.

 

[justsomebloke]

How to totally run a healthy profitable successful club into the ground.

Having record revenue and making a loss in the same season. Says it all.

 

[golden_blunder]

No sh1t. I was telling people to stop dreaming of spending 200m in January. They have convinced themselves!

 

[Ali Dia]

Having record revenue and making a loss in the same season. Says it all.

Not so good at business. Just extremely lucky that their dad was in the right place at the right time. Scum

 

[Pexbo]

No sh1t. I was telling people to stop dreaming of spending 200m in January. They have convinced themselves!

Who?

 

[golden_blunder]

Who?

Look in the transfer forum

 

[bosnian_red]

Sales help ffp and that's the idea. Loans won't do much of course. January should be focused on clearing out the squad as we have no fixture congestion left this season, to fix our FFP position for the summer.

• Sancho
• Casemiro
• Varane
• Martial
• Lindelof or Maguire
• Reguilons loan
• Amrabats loan
• Van de Beek
• Mount
• Pellistri

Those are all players who have extremely questionable current or future roles and all either have a good chunk of wages or could get us money. With Casemiro and Varane, you have the injury/age concerns plus what our rebuild target is, and finding that balance.

People remaining would be:

Onana, Altay, Heaton
Dalot, AWB
Shaw, Malacia
Lindelof or Maguire, Martinez, Evans
Mainoo, McTominay, Eriksen, Bruno, Hannibal
Amad, Garnacho, Antony, Rashford
Hojlund

Obviously we have gaps there to fill like CB and DM if we sell some of those guys, but we'd be fine to see out the year and it puts us in a spot to build better in the summer.

 

[astracrazy]

Has anyone actually read the article? Did OP?

This isn't even anything new, FFP will always restrict transfers (especially with us and these owners not investing). I can't see anything in the article which isn't expected or a reason to panic. No business in January and focused on the Summer - check. Disciplined to remain compliant and balance ins and outs - check. It's not like they are coming out and saying we only have 50M to spend or we can't make any signings or something.

It's a bit clickbait is all I'm saying.

 

[Scandi Red]

Sales help ffp and that's the idea. Loans won't do much of course. January should be focused on clearing out the squad as we have no fixture congestion left this season, to fix our FFP position for the summer.

• Sancho
• Casemiro
• Varane
• Martial
• Lindelof or Maguire
• Reguilons loan
• Amrabats loan
• Van de Beek
• Mount
• Pellistri

- I think it's harsh to not give Mount another season.

- I'd honestly keep Lindelof over Maguire. He makes fewer mistakes, actually seems OK with being a squad option and I can't imagine him causing trouble behind the scenes. This means that we need to sign a very good CB though. For this reason I fear that we'll keep both.

- We are far too light in midfield if we sell Casemiro. If we do this then we need to sign 2 CMs.

McTominay and Antony are so lucky. Under any reasonable circumstances they'd be out next summer, but they'll both probably make it.

 

[Pexbo]

Look in the transfer forum

No you look for me

 

[ClassOf'99]

No sh1t. I was telling people to stop dreaming of spending 200m in January. They have convinced themselves!

To be fair even if it's 100m budget, spreading costs out over 4-5 years means we could buy 4 "100m" players, not we ever will but FFP only factors actual spend not bargin bumping over a few years.

 

[golden_blunder]

No you look for me

You look

 

[amolbhatia50k]

We should have a clear out.

Average players like Sancho, Rashford and Martial being paid huge money going would allow us to reset the pay structure.

On transfer fees I’ve for a long time believed that we should only sign players aged 25 or less and have a limit of around 50m barring the odd absurd talent that comes along once in awhile (who we can’t really attract right now). Enough of these 70/80/90m pounds wastages. Stick to signings like Martinez being at the upper end of our transfer activity.

 

[bosnian_red]

- I think it's harsh to not give Mount another season.

- I'd honestly keep Lindelof over Maguire. He makes fewer mistakes, actually seems OK with being a squad option and I can't imagine him causing trouble behind the scenes. This means that we need to sign a very good CB though. For this reason I fear that we'll keep both.

- We are far too light in midfield if we sell Casemiro. If we do this then we need to sign 2 CMs.

McTominay and Antony are so lucky. Under any reasonable circumstances they'd be out next summer, but they'll both probably make it.

Agree on Lindelof vs Maguire. He's a solid RCB backup. Need to sign Todibo to replace Varane, and then a LCB backup to cover Martinez (or just use Shaw as that and keep Fernandez in the squad).

Mount I like. I just think he's pointless given Bruno. And he's not impactful enough as a 10 otherwise if he were to be the main guy. And I don't think he's capable of playing elsewhere. A pivot with Mainoo and Casemiro (or players like that) has a great balance on paper, Mount can't do either role and it'd be unbalanced having him and Bruno together.

Agree if Casemiro leaves we need 2x DMs. A group or Mainoo and Eriksen as the deep playmaker next to Casemiro and a younger DM or 2 new physical DM signings is what we need.

And yeah, McTominay doesn't really have a clear role but will stay by default. In a 4231, that midfield group should be mainoos, Eriksen, Bruno, Hannibal, Casemiro and a new DM like Andre who can either partner or replace Case when needed. The rest need to be binned. RW is a mess as I'm not sure on Amad and Antony is average as hell, but so much money was spent that they'll have at least next season as well to do something.

 

[Sky1981]

We dont need that many player with no Europe next year. Ditch league anf Fa cup and we fan focus on PL.

While offloading deadwoods

 

[Offside]

Were you expecting a £300m overhaul in January?

 

[Mr Pigeon]

No you look for me

Be careful. If you get geebs angry then you might end up having to deal with a proper mod.

 

[bosskeano]

Has anyone actually read the article? Did OP?

This isn't even anything new, FFP will always restrict transfers (especially with us and these owners not investing). I can't see anything in the article which isn't expected or a reason to panic. No business in January and focused on the Summer - check. Disciplined to remain compliant and balance ins and outs - check. It's not like they are coming out and saying we only have 50M to spend or we can't make any signings or something.

It's a bit clickbait is all I'm saying.

Yes, i read the entire article.

Collette Roche even mentioned in the article that we shouldn't expect business to occur during january with the implication that FFP has shown it has real "teeth" as she is quoted given the Everton situation.

All this talk about spending in january clearly can't and won't happen given our FFP status. FFS...we got hit with a £257,000 fine back in July for a minor breach in FFP.

 

[bosskeano]

Sales help ffp and that's the idea. Loans won't do much of course. January should be focused on clearing out the squad as we have no fixture congestion left this season, to fix our FFP position for the summer.

• Sancho
• Casemiro
• Varane
• Martial
• Lindelof or Maguire
• Reguilons loan
• Amrabats loan
• Van de Beek
• Mount
• Pellistri

Those are all players who have extremely questionable current or future roles and all either have a good chunk of wages or could get us money. With Casemiro and Varane, you have the injury/age concerns plus what our rebuild target is, and finding that balance.

People remaining would be:

Onana, Altay, Heaton
Dalot, AWB
Shaw, Malacia
Lindelof or Maguire, Martinez, Evans
Mainoo, McTominay, Eriksen, Bruno, Hannibal
Amad, Garnacho, Antony, Rashford
Hojlund

Obviously we have gaps there to fill like CB and DM if we sell some of those guys, but we'd be fine to see out the year and it puts us in a spot to build better in the summer.

EtH already stated he wanted to keep Casemiro and Varane thru the january window so unless the Saudis drop a massive bag on their lap, it won't happen. No one is going to buy Martial and/or Sancho. They'll want a loan before buying especially Sancho. Just don't see any tangible way to raise revenue in the january window in order to help fix the squad issues we have.

 

[bosnian_red]

EtH already stated he wanted to keep Casemiro and Varane thru the january window so unless the Saudis drop a massive bag on their lap, it won't happen. No one is going to buy Martial and/or Sancho. They'll want a loan before buying especially Sancho. Just don't see any tangible way to raise revenue in the january window in order to help fix the squad issues we have.

Ten hag can say what he wants but ideally Ratcliffe takes over, a DoF takes over and they can have some say over the January window and squad building where we accept offers for old players on massive wages who are always injured. It's just dumb squad management to keep Varane.

To add.. given we are on the edge of FFP issues, it's even more important to sell players who aren't part of the future wherever we can. Casemiro there is a scenario where it makes sense to keep him for the next few years and he's in a double pivot with Mainoo. Varane makes no sense to keep

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

United have said this every transfer window since FFP came in. Just another of the clubs lines to prepare for the failure they know they're likely to have.

If Joel and Avram knocked heads, suffered brain injuries and both decided that they want to make United the best team in the world again, they could sign anyone willing to come. Ambitious clubs find a way to get those deals done.

This is exactly it.

On one hand, I have no issue with club trying to reduce costs and transfer costs etc. I am good with that.

But on another, I call bullshit, especially when chelsea are spending a billion in 18 months and dont have any worries. Now people will say "well that loophole has been closed", but we could of used that loophole last season or the start of this and we chose not to.

You see you have to look at motive when you read united posts about FFP. They dont want to spend anymore then they have to, FFP (that seems to not bother any other super club, see Barca with their "lever" solution) is just a throw out excuse that some people are happy to digest.


Incidentally, I think January should be all about getting players out. Now that we wont have a tough schedule for the rest of the season I do not see the need for players who leave to be replaced until the summer.

So I am not actually looking for any crazy signings in Jan, I want United to be responsible, I just dont like being lied to about FFP when its not a problem for any super club.

 

[Leftback99]

Anyone dismissing it as issue an clearly hasn't looked at the figures involved and doesn't know what they are talking about.

We almost certainly won't be making any significant purchases in January. We need sales or a cash injection from owners to meet FFP.

 

[Von Mistelroum]

We need a huge new sponsorship deal from Nieos, and another... Sock sponsorship from Iseon, and so on. Surely that'll fool the PL into letting us spend?

 

[RedorDead21]

Great we are garbage at spending anyway. Young players coming up through the ranks seem to be the managers go to after spending big and then losing trust. We always do better with the kids might as well be patient and focus our attention at building a good recruitment department and coaching what we have.

 

[Shakesy]

We need a huge new sponsorship deal from Nieos, and another... Sock sponsorship from Iseon, and so on. Surely that'll fool the PL into letting us spend?

A tabloid sponsorship from Noise

 

[Oldyella]

- I think it's harsh to not give Mount another season.

- I'd honestly keep Lindelof over Maguire. He makes fewer mistakes, actually seems OK with being a squad option and I can't imagine him causing trouble behind the scenes. This means that we need to sign a very good CB though. For this reason I fear that we'll keep both.

- We are far too light in midfield if we sell Casemiro. If we do this then we need to sign 2 CMs.

McTominay and Antony are so lucky. Under any reasonable circumstances they'd be out next summer, but they'll both probably make it.

Maguire has handled being a squad member fine. And he's a better player than Lindelof, just. Only reason should be Maguire would fetch a better fee, which says a lot

 

[SER19]

why dont we just do what city did? you know, cheat.

 

[Dannn411]

Good. Maybe it will force the mass clearout we have needed for so long. We can't keep spending when we have nothing to show for the money already spent.

 

[Plant0x84]

People remaining would be:

Onana, Altay, Heaton
Dalot, AWB
Shaw, Malacia
Lindelof or Maguire, Martinez, Evans
Mainoo, McTominay, Eriksen, Bruno, Hannibal
Amad, Garnacho, Antony, Rashford
Hojlund

The bolded could/should go too. Heaton and Evans will want first team football, as may Eriksen/Bayindir.
I’m not convinced what Hannibal offers to be honest, and Antony simply isn’t good enough.

Clearly we aren’t going to let the majority of the squad go in one window. We are stuck with some of these players for the long term.