What's the final team you hope for, if you go through? Something like the following would be amazing.
Nationalteams only count from the 2nd round onwards, it's just performances at club level now.
Apologies, lads. Again, as I said, I haven't been glued to the process up to now. Maybe I should ho away now and just leave you lads to it!
I think both managers accept the risks/flaws that come with their rather top-heavy formation and admit that it will be an open game with goals being scored either end, as there are some fantastic forwards on display here. As such you will have to look at it in relative terms. Whose offense is going to have a better game against the opponent's defense here. It is only natural that the likes of Ribery, Rivaldo, Muller and Kluivert are going to utilize their pace/intelligent movement to pull away defenders and make it as chaotic as possible against a back three.
I never said anything as extreme as players would hug the line, I said that there is space out wide - which there is - and when your defenders get pulled out then that will leave gaps for Rivaldo and Kluivert. If you think that Muller and Ribery will see a shit load of space out wide but think 'nah, feck it' lets move into the middle' then I do not agree.
The part I said was nonsense was trying to downplay the clear influence Ribery will have out wide by suggesting he'll look to cut in. It was nothing about Muller. I don't mind what you've said about Muller. He's not going to have his best game here but I don't see that a huge problem, no player is a perfect fit against every type of opponent and every type of formation.
I still think Muller has a role to play though by creating space for Rivaldo/Kluivert.
Apologies, lads. Again, as I said, I haven't been glued to the process up to now. Maybe I should ho away now and just leave you lads to it!
Not much discussion going on anyway, so I guess, there's nothing wrong with a bit 'what could have been'.To be fair, I don't have seen enough of my defenders to make such claims
. To use an example, just because Höwedes is a world cup winning leftback, I wouldn't describe him as pacey. It's good to know that they have some experience out there and that they are regarded as great defenders. I also am quite certain that they aren't slower than de Boer and Blind, but I won't claim that they are comfortable here against someone like Ribery. I see less of a problem against Müller though (strictly in a one vs one sense of course)I was going on an assumption but yeah the main point I was trying to make was that your defense seems more well-equipped at dealing with his offense than the other way around.To be fair, I don't have seen enough of my defenders to make such claims
so its not that weak, although the lads have set up to stretch me, so the movement of my midfield/defense is essential here, what balu has to worry about is getting the ball off me when I have it, some great ball players there on showI actually thought about that when I did my write-up. I think you're a bit better at keeping possession than I am. Mostly because your defenders are overall more comfortable on the ball than mine. Not that Mauro Ramos and Maldini senior are mugs on the ball, but Rijkaard and de Boer are simply better. I don't think there's much in it in midfield. Bozsik is excellent at keeping the ball, he made that Honved side and the Hungarian nationalteam tick in a way that's probably best compared to Xavi's influence at Barca/Spain around 2008/2009. And while your 3 midfielders are all comfortable at keeping the ball, my midfield 3 is slightly better at winning it back. I think you could edge the possession stats if you want too, but you probably have a better chance to score against me when you play direct. My defense gets more solid the more time you give my attackers to contribute and they aren't lazy.
I have Pep there because I wanted him close to Rivaldo/Kluivert and working together like they did in 1999, he set up a nice few goals for Kluivert, Plus Bastien is the better tackler needed out wide, Its kind of like a spine of Barcelona 1999 supported by Bayern 2009 and backed up by Ajax 1995, players that know eachother are close together
I have an irrational dislike for Reiziger, although I suppose he was alright at Ajax. Same with de Boer, their performances for Barca scarred me for life.
I think you guys already did a pretty damn good job on the main thread, but unfortunately they'll be ignored once they aren't in the GOAT pantheon, which pre-80s is largely Europe-centric + the odd great Brazilian.Maybe @antohan can tell us a bit more about those 3 Penarol players. I don't want you to big them up, just give us a bit more insight about their roles and their playing style and feel free to point it out, if we use them totally wrong
There is footage from the big games (copa finals; matches against madrid from 1960/66 and few others). The problem is that the quality really sucks. While the matches in europe had decent TV coverage by this time, the matches in SA didnt (in terms of quality).
Yeah, at least online. We used to have a show in Uruguay, MOTD-like which had started in the early 60s and was the longest-running in the world at one point I think. They had brilliant archive footage but none of it has been published online. What you find online is usually digital versions of videotaped recordings of their shows
Arrogant knobs, that was the trigger for the backlash, and the game ended 4-2 to Peñarol after extra time.Joya => Jairzinho (similar in style and arguably better out wide, just unlucky to be Peruvian).
No, you saw that one, you missed the third at 1:28/29
I found bits and pieces where his passing and attacking contribution was mentioned but without any reasonable footage to back it up, I didn't really want to bang on about it. It's great to read that comparison and it's why I think he's such a wonderful fit next to Boszik. Tito doesn't need to dictate play here, it's just important that he can pass it good enough to support Boszik, who isn't half bad in that deep lying playmaker job.
I was wondering about that in some of the other games, but I'd say, it isn't really a surprise in this match with both teams trying to stay true to the theme of the draft.
It's a real shame because what you get hold of is 1966 footage where he is already in a late Giggsy phase of relying less on his pace and more on his football brain. That said, every time he gets the ball you sense something's going to happen.
See for yourself and arrive at your own conclusions:. But thanks again for your insight, I might include it in the upcoming game.Same here, no idea what half of them mean or how exactly the scale works but if you look at them side by side it will simply tell you they were very much the same bar Jairzinho being marginally better at dribbling at speed (against the older Joya, the young Joya's stats are far better than Jairzinho's) while Joya was better at crossing and heading.I'm completely lost with those stats
Those are stats for players in a video game, right?
They talk about ladders, which I can't find anywhere but apparently for each criterion there is a "ladder" showing what each level translates to in terms of a known player. E.g. Defence @98 = Baresi, @85 = Ferdinand and so on.
It's effectively not far from a bunch of draft junkies drawing up profiles based on certain criteria and thus not devoid of bias
.Ffs. I was going to use those stats in our next game
They probably don't. Which means that some of these figures are probably not too far off, whereas others are guesswork at best.
Ffs. I was going to use those stats in our next game
badass research it is. I think that holds for the likes of Billy Meredith, post-50s there's very decent footage, just rarely online. It would be fair to say most people engaged in doing stats for a videogame haven't seen these guys live and that where there's little footage online the most likely knowledgeable sources would be locals, which can introduce a bias. That's why I overlooked the early Joya stats, they are so much better they are most likely the work of an overexcited River Plate fan, but the ones I quoted makes sense to me relative to Jairzinho.
