We have a badge that has a devil on it FFS! How long before calls to remove it due to the links to hell?
Manchester club crests
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
The building was erected 143 years after the civil war.
First you must write to Amazon and other websites to remove word shipping from shipping cost. It is clear provocation
Yeah, but the tower was in the area where 1500 people died in the civil war and named after the general involved, as tenuous a link as a ship is to slavery.
My point entirely.
It's the best looking crest in the world.
How long before we are pressured into getting rid of the devil and changing our nickname because it promotes satanism?
That's fine but your post made it sound like it was there during the civil war.
Have a red devil with MUFC lettering underneath. Simple and modern.
As per usual, the outrage about the original "outrage" far larger than the actual original "outrage" 
Not really. The reality is that this was brought up by the Guardian ilk etc. for no reason, which will end in nothing more than a waste of money and resources to change. It is strange that people try and shift who is actually upset by something. This is a classic change for the sake of change.As per usual, the outrage about the original "outrage" far larger than the actual original "outrage"
There is zero evidence of the connection; in fact, the evidence that actually exists refutes it. It is just stupidity being called out for what it is, rather than outrage.
There's been no change whatsoever though.
I would describe it as reaching. Ships brought in a lot more than just cotton. Ships are essentially a symbol of trade and have been for hundreds of years, even before the slave trade.
It is just a pointless change to make. And it will take resources to make all the changes required.
If the removal of the ship was just for a redesign and if you think it would look better, that would be fine. But to make up frail reasons as to why it should be removed is just weird.
I was referring to if changes were made just for this purpose. It would be a waste of resources for a nonsensical reason.
If the ships represent or symbolise the use of slavery or slave trade then I'd have no issue with deleting them. I've always incorrectly thought they represented the ship canal. But there you go.
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City’s badge is offensive. It’s so basic it’s ugly.
This is funny.
It's probably already been said but the only thing I want changed on our crest is the reinstatement of 'Football Club'
It's a tiny ship on the crest and would be an easy PR compromise. That's the reasoning.
It must be a sad existence to have such a myopic point of view, that you brand every opinion or person you disagree with as "woke" or a "snowflake." My suggestion is to get a life or some perspective.
I don't care about the ship, tbh but these examples aren't even close to the same.
If there is unequivocal evidence of the link then, yes, remove it and extend the devil to replace it.
If a 100% link can't be established and proven then, no.
If a 100% link can't be established and proven then, no.
Manchester is home to the first free public library anywhere in the English speaking world. Except that it was founded by Humphry Cheetham, who made his fortune trading textiles, again a product of slavery.
So when are we going to burn down the library?
So when are we going to burn down the library?
We've got a lion on our badge. How long before everyone realises the Romans were feeding Christians to the lions in Britain 2000 years ago? Surely we should remove it as well, in case it causes offence? Same for all the England national teams as well.
Typical case of man on the left overreacts to nothing, looking for offense where there is none.
Man on the right overreacts to man on the left cause he likes overeacting just as much.
Happens both ways and the result is always the same.
Can you imagine the hypocrisy though if city removed this whilst being owned by abu Dhabi, or united removed it only to sell to Qatar?
Man on the right overreacts to man on the left cause he likes overeacting just as much.
Happens both ways and the result is always the same.
Can you imagine the hypocrisy though if city removed this whilst being owned by abu Dhabi, or united removed it only to sell to Qatar?
Why does it need a PR compromise? Nobody outside of the guardian and twitter gives a feck.
The point is I have a life - which means not giving a shit about tenuous links to slavery because of a boat on a badge.
Nothing The Guardian says should ever be taken seriously.
I see one has just been launched from the US ..... and .... has .... blown up.
Nah I don't think former colonies care about such a pointless gesture if I'm being honest.
Better to return stolen treasures (proudly exhibited in museums), end neo-colonisation, and stop the hypocritical lectures and dictatorial "values" - none of which have to do with the Manchester clubs.
Better to return stolen treasures (proudly exhibited in museums), end neo-colonisation, and stop the hypocritical lectures and dictatorial "values" - none of which have to do with the Manchester clubs.
Change ours to something more new and modern. Maybe a snowflake instead of a Devil. Or maybe a colorful flag instead of red. There are many options that doesnt provoke anyone.
Pretty much that is the case.
Look hard enough and you'll find links to slavery and other historical human rights abuses almost everywhere.
The ship is from the Manchester coat of arms and feck all to do with the slave trade.
The British Empire abolished slavery in 1807, with the Manchester coat of arms not coming into existence until 1842.
The British Empire abolished slavery in 1807, with the Manchester coat of arms not coming into existence until 1842.
The English place-name Chester, and the suffixes -chester, -caster and -cester, are commonly indications that the place is the site of a Roman castrum, meaning a military camp or fort, but it can also apply to the site of a pre-historic fort. Wikipedia
While we are at it, we should end all links with the Romans and Roman slavery.
Themtown United it is then.
While we are at it, we should end all links with the Romans and Roman slavery.
Themtown United it is then.
I do hope you're not equating Roman slavery as the same as colonial slavery because there have been some daft posts in here but that would be quite something.
This reminds me of the time Iranian TV censored the AS Roma crest.
Yes, it did look a little phallic didn’t it?!
Now, do we want jokes about SpaceX ‘blowing it’, or just the clip of all the penis euphemisms from Austin Powers?
edit- just to keep it on topic the boat argument is a load of cobblers. It’s representative of the ship canal and always has been.
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Oh please! The virtue signalling wokery is getting tedious.
The first thing we need to lobby the new owners is to have the words Football Club reinstated.
The Devil has been mentioned before.
Here is an informative read.
https://classicfootballshirtscollection.com/why-is-there-a-devil-in-the-manchester-united-logo/
The Devil has been mentioned before.
Here is an informative read.
https://classicfootballshirtscollection.com/why-is-there-a-devil-in-the-manchester-united-logo/
Yeah baby, that'll bring the title back to Old Trafford.
Because public relations matter at least a little bit, especially for a sensitive topic like slavery. If you don't care that's your opinion but some may.
And no, I don't think you have a life or perspective if your rebuttal to a suggestion you don't like is to claim someone is siding with a "woke opinion". What an absolute garbage, juvenile response.
Woke people need to take a nap. Or better yet just f**k off.