DomesticTadpole
Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.
Goodness knows. Maybe just a bit of artistic licence from the press.What confrontation?
Goodness knows. Maybe just a bit of artistic licence from the press.What confrontation?
That's meant to be in the system we used against WHUM & Swans. Not saying Mata playing as a CM.@tomaldinho1 why do you want Mata in midfield rather than Herrera?
Just like rashford was brilliant at times as sub? Start martial and sub him for rashford might change the whole story.How can people be saying the same team as previously? Martial is infinitely more clinical than Rashford at the moment. He surely has to start. I would also swap Mata for Herrera. Leicester will be a sterner test than the last two games. The more pace and attacking prowess, the better.
Yeah, just the same score as last year. Perfectly reasonable expectation.Lets beat them 4:0. I'm not asking for much.
That's exactly how I read it.Rash and Martial have both performed well in the two matches....I see improvement in Rash....if its not broke why fix it? Start same 11...let Martial come on as a sub...suiting him well right now.
I think 4-0 is perfectly reasonable.Yeah, just the same score as last year. Perfectly reasonable expectation.
Which is the right thing to do at the moment. Martial is lethal coming from the bench, why change it?When you win 4-0 twice and have a weeks rest between games you aren't going to change your lineup I'm afraid.
Jose will play the same team and we'll get a similar result.
It's not a straight Yes/No answer.Sorry but no chance that's true.
I agree largely, but there's also the issue that you become predictable. It doesn't hurt to change it up abit to outwit your opponents and their preparations. However I think on his occasion we have too much for Leicester, especially since it's at home and with reports suggesting Vardy is out. So indeed it'd be wise to go with the same team. I can Mourinho tinkering slightly though and that wouldn't surprise me either.Which is the right thing to do at the moment. Martial is lethal coming from the bench, why change it?
Still think in general the formation is more defensive than a 4-3-3. Chelsea won the league playing a negative style of play. Juventus were also rather defensive. I've rarely seen an ultra attaining 3-5-2It's not a straight Yes/No answer.
It depends on how you play the system. For example, Real/Barca 4-3-3 is uber offensive, whereas Jose's 4-3-3 is defensive at times last season (more like 4-5-1 with both wingers assigned heavy defensive duty).
What confrontation?
Goodness knows. Maybe just a bit of artistic licence from the press.
If you mean "in general" you are right. But it's hard to argue about Chelsea/Juv's systems, I wouldn't say they play "defensive", I would say it's kinda balance, neither too offensive nor too defensive. (ie Juv didn't park the bus against Real in final, instead they were kinda offensive, although not gung-ho. So if you say Real is 100% offensive, I would say Juv was 75% offensive)Still think in general the formation is more defensive than a 4-3-3. Chelsea won the league playing a negative style of play. Juventus were also rather defensive. I've rarely seen an ultra attaining 3-5-2
That was fantastic from Bailly.
Hardly a confrontation.
We are the one of the most unpredictable teams in the premier league even if playing with the same line up. Given that we have strength, pace, technique and finally became a threat fro set pieces, we can change the game plan during the game without having to change personnel.I agree largely, but there's also the issue that you become predictable. It doesn't hurt to change it up a bit to outwit your opponents and their preparations. However I think on his occasion we have too much for Leicester, especially since it's at home and with reports suggesting Vardy is out. So indeed it'd be wise to go with the same team. I can Mourinho tinkering slightly though and that wouldn't surprise me either.
I'd like to see that too. We've not seen much of this formation and line up but I have a feeling it'd be our strongest.DDG
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Bailly
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Matic
Mkhi
Pogba
Martial
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They scored 3 at Emirates and beat Brighton. They are fine and will cause our defense more trouble than West Ham and Swansea but we should be comfortably winning this game anyway.They are hardly looking dangerous so far, don't understand the fear at all.
Comfortable 2-0 or 3-0 win.
Because people think that winning 4-0, Martial getting game time scoring and Rashford putting in a good performance is a bad thing as it means that it's either/or and Martial won't get the minutes this season despite us probably having 60+ games, having a congestive schedule and injuries to deal with during the season.Which is the right thing to do at the moment. Martial is lethal coming from the bench, why change it?
I watched the Arsenal match and the Brighton highlights. They weren't inept in attack but nothing beyond what we saw last season home and away. Given that we rolled them over both times with an inferior team there's no reason to be jittery.They scored 3 at Emirates and beat Brighton. They are fine and will cause our defense more trouble than West Ham and Swansea but we should be comfortably winning this game anyway.
They don't sit back too much either and play with a 2-man midfield. We might not keep a clean sheet but we'll definitely score a few.I watched the Arsenal match and the Brighton highlights. They weren't inept in attack but nothing beyond what we saw last season home and away. Given that we rolled them over both times with an inferior team there's no reason to be jittery.
I wish it worked like that though. They were very poor at Old Traffors last year and we steamrolled them but if they get going quickly this year and sneak the first goal, it could get tough. I am not particularly fond of Leicester after 5-3.I watched the Arsenal match and the Brighton highlights. They weren't inept in attack but nothing beyond what we saw last season home and away. Given that we rolled them over both times with an inferior team there's no reason to be jittery.
We also steamrolled them on their own ground in Feb, after they sacked Rainieri and well on to their recovery.I wish it worked like that though. They were very poor at Old Traffors last year and we steamrolled them but if they get going quickly this year and sneak the first goal, it could get tough. I am not particularly fond of Leicester after 5-3.
Playing the same team week in and week out, would be the definition of predictable. As would the same subs.We are the one of the most unpredictable teams in the premier league even if playing with the same line up. Given that we have strength, pace, technique and finally became a threat fro set pieces, we can change the game plan during the game without having to change personnel.
Having Martial who hopefully has found his scoring boots this season, is a massive threat to the opposition especially considering tired defenders.
That being said, if Martial keeps improving from the bench, they will switch roles with Rashford imo.
But that's exactly what Jose did in his successful seasons with Chelsea - played the same line up every game and, pretty much, the same subs coming on (Ramirez and Mikkel)Playing the same team week in and week out, would be the definition of predictable. As would the same subs.
I agree that our creative play is very good and indeed we have excelled at using variety to open teams up, but our personnel doesn't cover all game plans out there. Hence why Jose likes to change things up abit, such as bringing Fellaini on.
I also don't agree with this notion that Martial is especially doing well is because of tired defences. Not until it's proven over a bigger sample of games. Against Swansea there's a case to be made, but against WHU it was deft movement from him that caught them out. Martial is playing with a higher intensity, and potency and that makes him a bigger threat directly. This has been present from as early as pre-season games. Only then he is absolutely ice cold in 1v1 situations so that he will score from there 9 out of 10 times. It's not fair on Martial to put his output down to tired defences. He himself is performing too. The reality is somewhere in between.
Let's not also forget that rotation is required for the sake of fitness, and keeping players fresh. We do not want to be getting key players injured. Our midfield is extremely strong, but also fragile. Once the CL kicks in very soon then we cannot reasonably expect to be fielding the same XI across both the CL and PL anyway (Not to forget the other 2 domestic competitions). Our players are not all like for like, and Jose has consider what attributes each player possesses that will add to the team dynamic, and which will be a hindrance.
Fellaini is being brought in more from a defensive point of view as teams tend to play more long balls and put pressure in the box when chasing a game in later periods of the game.Playing the same team week in and week out, would be the definition of predictable. As would the same subs.
I agree that our creative play is very good and indeed we have excelled at using variety to open teams up, but our personnel doesn't cover all game plans out there. Hence why Jose likes to change things up abit, such as bringing Fellaini on.
I also don't agree with this notion that Martial is especially doing well is because of tired defences. Not until it's proven over a bigger sample of games. Against Swansea there's a case to be made, but against WHU it was deft movement from him that caught them out. Martial is playing with a higher intensity, and potency and that makes him a bigger threat directly. This has been present from as early as pre-season games. Only then he is absolutely ice cold in 1v1 situations so that he will score from there 9 out of 10 times. It's not fair on Martial to put his output down to tired defences. He himself is performing too. The reality is somewhere in between.
Let's not also forget that rotation is required for the sake of fitness, and keeping players fresh. We do not want to be getting key players injured. Our midfield is extremely strong, but also fragile. Once the CL kicks in very soon then we cannot reasonably expect to be fielding the same XI across both the CL and PL anyway (Not to forget the other 2 domestic competitions). Our players are not all like for like, and Jose has consider what attributes each player possesses that will add to the team dynamic, and which will be a hindrance.
In his most recent successful season with Chelsea the style of play took a noticeable change in the second half of the season where Chelsea began to play more conservatively in the League, grinding out 1-0 wins, whilst going for it in Europe. He also did the same last season when he finally found his best XI, until injuries began to take their toll and left him lamenting our heavily congested schedule. I would also argue at Chelsea he didn't ever have the strength in depth that he possesses at United now.But that's exactly what Jose did in his successful seasons with Chelsea - played the same line up every game and, pretty much, the same subs coming on (Ramirez and Mikkel)
But that's what I mean. Fellaini being brought on offers an aerial advantage that the player being replaced doesn't (Mata in both cases this season). He adds something to the team that Mata could not do to the same degree. In the same way when playing against Liverpool at Anfield soon, it wouldn't surprise me if Jose opts for a midfield 3 of Matic sitting behind Herrera and Pogba. Or Carrick sitting behind Matic and Pogba. It's a single person change, but completely changes the set up of our midfield. This would help us not get overrun in a game in which Liverpool heavily like to get bodies into the centre to press the opposition.Fellaini is being brought in more from a defensive point of view as teams tend to play more long balls and put pressure in the box when chasing a game in later periods of the game.
Regarding Martial, I would rather have a more clinical player who comes with 20 minutes remaining and can convert the chances he has than vice versa. But this is just my opinion on it. Also, I said "doing well especially against tired defenders" and not "especially doing well against tired defenders". I agree that he is getting back to form and this is not solely due to him being brought in the game as opposed to starting.
We are playing one game a week at the moment, with a two weeks brake coming after the Leicester game. I don't see the need for rotation for now.
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