There will be an indelible stain on the player and the club from this situation, and they only have themselves to blame. I understand that the club are in a tough legal/contractual bind here but there is no excuse for those horrible statements.
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it’s very police chief wiggum.
Whatever the politics behind it, I personally think it’s the correct decision
That was not the only reason as you well know.
Why did the club categorically state they don't think he did it?
Nah MG is to blame
Exactly. They could have stuck to the legal line but have gone further and by talking about the images and recordings in the way they did, they made it sound like: "Well based on what we have seen we dont think he did it, but you lot and the media forced us to let him go".
The statements are absolutely terrible and almost throw the victim under the bus.
Good decision not to let him play for United, as the club and team don't need the chaos that would surround him, especially during this rebuilding time.
We may never know whether he's guilty of the abuse in question, but the audio and images were damning and it would have been very uncomfortable trying to support him on the team.
We may never know whether he's guilty of the abuse in question, but the audio and images were damning and it would have been very uncomfortable trying to support him on the team.
In another case, Illombe Mboyo was convicted of gang rape of a 14 year old and still played for Belgium after.
Because they had an asset worth 60m+ on the open market, they knew any additional evidence would never come into the public domain and they were looking to PR spin things so they could keep him.
Spot on.
I meant besides them. Of course the biggest culprit is himself and I think he realizes this.
It’s really interesting actually! Twitter want him hung drawn and quartered, Facebook pretty unanimously want him brought back, Daily Mail comments generally on the side of he should be forgiven!
In this situation the ones screaming the loudest tend to be the do-gooders, holier than though, never made a mistake in their lives types.This type of person likes to appear that way to cover up their own faults and raise their consonance levels!
I suspect that there are a silent majority that believe he should be given another chance/ given the opportunity to become a better person- but daren’t say so due to the pit bulls waiting to jump all over them for expressing a view!
There are only three groups who have all the evidence available to them and all three are satisfied he didn't do what he was accused of.Acting an arsehole to you is leaving someone with bruises and busted nose?
Why would I, with less than 10% of the available evidence, think i know any better?
So the club must feel pretty strongly that what they are saying is true then? Perhaps they feel that they owe it to someone they believe to be innocent of the offences to make that clear in their statement to give him the best chance at a clean start?
Maybe they are being hopelessly naive. Maybe it’s all just a cynical attempt to get some money for him. However, as it stands, I’m prepared to give the club the benefit of the doubt and assume that they genuinely believe, based on the evidence they’ve seen, that he didn’t do the things he was initially accused of and deserves a second chance.
The pit bulls can be pretty mean. I mean, one of them just rabidly condemned @Rhyme Animal to a lonely loveless life
That's the only possible answer.
I still think they would have been a lot less forthcoming in their statement if they thought he might have done it though.
If that was truly the case then why get rid of him? If they firmly believe he is innocent then they should be firmly behind their player?
I am happy he is gone because I dont believe he is innocent but surely you can see why the statements are terrible?
After this, what happens with Antony now? I mean it's a precedent and we get rid as well?
Those are fair points. I just don't understand why they don't release the evidence then. Thinking of it from even Greenwood and family point of view; releasing the information, clearing his name and becoming a main stay at United would have been a redemption story like no other.
Need to take down George Best’s statue too.
So platform A wants thing X, platforms B/C wants the opposite Y BUT people who want thing X are mean and loud (while Daily Mail commenters are known for their calmness and reason) AND the general public agrees more with thing Y because feelings. "Interesting".
It's worrying that you don't consider yourself "holier-than" what he did, and indeed see it as an unrealistic expectation.
I'm guessing they had to come to an agreement with MG that meant he left quietly, and this explains the language.
Do you stand and protest to let all the same people convicted of rape be out of jail and given 2nd chance, feck the victim feeling. Or was it because he is Mason Greenwood and you're probably supporting United.
And he was given 2nd chance, that's not going to jail. A luxury many others dont get. Losing his job is literally not even a slap in the wrist.
Agree 100%
What is conspicuously missing has been an apology.
The supporters who wanted him back have really thrown their toys out of the pram. Snowflakes.
The way I see it the club took a sensible wording trying to please all sides, at the end they're a business and at best 40:60 of our fans are split and they're trying to at least make a neutral statement to cover all arses
The posts on here trying to justify Greenwood’s actions….
Who in truth wouldn’t give a shit about him if it weren’t for him being a talented footballer.
Who in truth wouldn’t give a shit about him if it weren’t for him being a talented footballer.
You are making assumptions. Again, making negative assumptions is only done by people who want him to be guilty. She was not “suffering alone”. She had the open help of the whole country and stayed with him. This makes me more inclined to reach positive assumptions.
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Role play. People who are determined for him to be guilty will call bullshit. My ex was really into role play, which makes it easy for me to believe.
I think there are fans who simply see his departure as the best outcome for Greenwood and his young family - away from the prying eyes of the media. He should be given another chance, just not at a globally followed club like Manutd, a club revered by children and adults alike, across every continent.
Or if he played for another team
Please point to an assumption in my post.
I think what you are referring to is a thing called life
I for one think this had been landet well. What I think I know now, is that Greenwood said the things available to all, in a context I know very little about, but that is deemed relevant to several of those closer to the situation. The victim of that talk I can do little to help if ahe needs it, there are other people who has to do that if needed. I think women in general are way too underprotected from violence, threats and sexual violence in every culture I have aeen so far. At the same time I want a judicial systems to handle the evaluation of restoration and punishment, not lynch mobs and the general public. I think one ahould have extremely good evidence to override judicial outcomes, by that I mean first person eye witness level. I take it as read that I have not heard a single testimony in this case at that level of knowledge, and accept that I know next to nothing in order for me to make a judgement. All I know is that the recordings, what Greenwood himself has said about and what the club has said about it, is more than enough for me to want Greenwood to leave the club, I am not ready to cheer for him at this point. What he has said is enough to say this is not an acceptable relationship (between him and the club, but not enough to violate laws of contact, employers responsibilities etc. I think it’s fair that the club wait for the judicial process to conclude before investigating what has happened. I can’t see anything that justifies taking seven months before coming to a conclusion, but the conclusion seems right to me. It’s weak part of a good enough handling In my view, and certainly not anything to be up in arms about.
You could say the same about people persecuting a teenager
The thing is, contract law doesn't care about morality, and there are certain conditions that have to be met for a justified termination. When it comes down to it the media and fan backlash, which likely made sponsors skittish, will have threatened to affect the bottom line and the reputation of the club. His actions in light of a potential return threatened to bring the club into disrepute - which is grounds for contract termination.Il It is entirely plausible that ManUtd planted leaks about Mason's return as a way to prove that his position is untenable.
Instead of going into a legal battle over that, given he hasn't been convicted of anything, they will have come to a mutual agreement on how to end the relationship. Part of that would probably include a compromise on the contents of the statements, negotiated between Man Utd and Greenwood's representatives. The statement isn't the club's opinion, it's the legal solution they negotiated.
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By posting about the abused staying with their abusers, you are assuming that’s what happened with ******* and MG. If that’s not your insinuation, why on Earth have you written it in this thread?
And what do you think they would all be saying if he was some hardly known youth team player?
Let me guess they are all desperate for Qatar to take over as well?
All of which he directly brought on himself with his behaviour but the idea that getting moved on and getting full and massive pay is a huge and unfair punishment is ludicrous.