Give two fingers to Chelsea and go for Caicedo ourselves now.
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Am I the only one baffled about Caicedo being seen as the Mount alternative and wondering how it could possibly be the case? They're so drastically different, I can't see how Ten Hag sees Caicedo as a logical 2nd choice. They're so different.
But then I suppose we bought Casemiro last year, maybe/in theory/possibly after failing to get De Jong, and again totally different players.
But then I suppose we bought Casemiro last year, maybe/in theory/possibly after failing to get De Jong, and again totally different players.
Who are our other targets? Because we always seem to put all our eggs in 1 basket. We never talk to a few teams at once and then work out the best outcome, the best player and the one that fits the best financially.
Don't think that's true, we've been linked to loads of "mobile 8's".
£55.1 million should seal the deal.
No I agree. Completely different player to Mount, that’s probably why we haven’t got strong links with him. Ten Hag is obviously desperate for Mount but if it can’t be done then the scouting team need to find players with similar Attributes.
Thats the problem. He is not that good. He is an average system player.This. If it was a player the majority liked a lot more would be talking this way.
Just imagine this was Caicedo and Chelsea are Brighton guys.
I think we can all agree it’s over and no1 is walking away empty handed.
Okay and now? We bring in Mount, we simply just overpay. And do we have money now to actually bring in a proper striker or will we just act like Martial and Weghorst are okay and not complete division 2 players
Need to stop hyping them up, you’ve probably got scouts nabbing your targets
I honestly think you’ve misunderstood how FFP and book value works. It’s one of the most boring things about football but I guess it has to be discussed sometimes. Chelsea signed Havertz for around £77M (including all the add-ons he achieved) on a 5 year contract. That fee amortised over the 5 years gave him an annual book value of £15.4M (though his initial book value was £14.4M)
He has 2 years remaining on that 5 year deal so his remaining book value is £30.8M. He was supposedly on a salary of £300K a week, which is around £15M a year, and with 2 years remaining on his contract, you can probably guess where I’m going with this. Freeing ourselves of his remaining wages could probably cover the remaining 2 years of his book value, making the incoming transfer fee as close to pure profit as it could get.
I’m no FFP or accounting whizz, so I invite anyone to correct me if I’ve screwed up the maths or if I’m the one who has misunderstood the concept.
You’re of course right that Mount represents pure profit but I don’t think it’s correct to say Chelsea absolutely have to sell Mount to fund a signing like Caicedo.
I would imagine the difference is Chelsea don't want Mount to go, whereas City seemed more than happy to let Sterling leave.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...eft-fuming-and-raging-by-manchester-city-exit
Yet another awful player for a disgusting fee, we are the worst negotiators in the world.
He will instantly join our list of unflushable players with no value on too high wages to ever sell.
He will instantly join our list of unflushable players with no value on too high wages to ever sell.
You may be right but I do think there are other Midfielders we must be keeping tabs on whose name would suddenly appear if this deal stalls .
Is Caicedo definitely the Mount alternative? Aside from the usual "monitoring" has anything else been said?
If there was any truth to the last bid being final, it needs to be exactly that. The value is already inflated at this point and we look foolish if we say we won’t negotiate further then meet them next week? I worry the manager still has too much input on who to sign, even at City they tell Pep no if a player starts to look poor value/unaffordable.
Chelsea are happy to let Mount go I reckon. They just won't make that public. The money they get will massively help toward other transfer plans and his head is out the door.
That’s my point, no one.
Because everybody knows we are fecking stupid in transfers and they want to get a piece of that.
It is peculiar. De Jong, Casemiro and Mount are all very different.
The funny thing is we have all the tactical analysis from couch experts, saying "ah yes, ETH needs de Jong for this reason" before he then signs a completely different player in Casemiro and then follows up with another profile of player completely the following summer. At this stage I honestly just feel like we're trying to sign players the he or our scouts rate and just make something work.
He was starting regularly for both Chelsea and England up until he got injured around the beginning of March
He will soon join DVB and co.
Yeah every time he gets subbed off for England they play much better.He was starting regularly for both Chelsea and England up until he got injured around the beginning of March
Maybe no one noticed because he was actually injured at the time?
And Ødegaard is shite for Norway, what's your point?
Not an expert either but
I think only this years wages count for this years FFP, so it would knock 15m off. It wont show up in next years FFP either obviously so your kind of right.
Funding a signing like Caicedo and a striker without selling mount is probably a stretch? Or not, i'm not that familiar with your finances.
This transfer deal just highlights the utter incompetence of our scouting department where they are not in a position to offer ETH with alternatives. ETH knows it, we know it and most importantly, Chelsea know it! Teams can always have us over the barrel as they know we'll keep coming back! Just look at the transfer over the last few years. I would love to think that ETH can draw a line in the sand and tell Chavs to sod off with their demands, and if Mount himself is intent on coming, they'll return themselves cap in hand!
My point he is not good. Thank you for your question.
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That should be even more advantageous for us. Mount wants to join us, obviously we will be the highest payers in the PL or anywhere in Europe for that matter.
If they had done something like this to City for Kovacic transfer, City definitely would have walked as they are not desperate. Chelsea made it easy for them but making us run rings around them.
We can’t really blame Chelsea for our silly spending. We’ve built a rod for our own back. Hopefully that will change with new owners, but right now Chelsea can ask for what they think we’ll end up paying anyway.
You're wrong, but OK.
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Because all the “experienced” people running the club have made amazing transfers for us so far.
What is the point of this comment in a fan forum designed specifically for fans to opine about our club if only experts are allowed to say something?
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So he's decided to communicate this unhappiness through United's club dedicated correspondents in Manchester?
He wants us to agree on everything the "experts" at the club do.
Because giving into the whims of our managers so far have worked out so well for us?
That what happens when you appoint a football director from Everton.
It’s like our fans never learn. How many times have we been burned by our silly transfer strategy.
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