What's the actual injury?
Mason Mount's Misfortune
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Did he? Must have slipped past me, I don't remember him doing all that much but maybe I missed it. His overall performance levels were not very good.
I think it's fair to ask what is form and what is Mount's usual. He has never excelled at international level, and he has one or two good seasons in a Chelsea shirt at 24 years old. I don't know what to make of that, even the good stuff was in a more attacking role and we're asking him to do something else which makes that form even harder to extrapolate and think we're going to get something like that. The chances of never getting the best out of him are pretty high if you have a set of form in an attacking role and then you're asking for him to get back to it in a completely different one. I also don't see what the skillset is that is going to transition, at least when Eriksen was pulled back into midfield you have a midfielder of undoubted technical skill.
Well, I think you feeling exhausted is more a you thing and how you're processing the match because I never really felt that when Fred was in a team. Fred had a lot of good games for United. Overall he wasn't good enough, no - but it remains to be seen whether Mount is going to be better. Not that Fred v Mount is especially important, the more important thing is going to be improving this squad - but it doesn't help when you buy players and there isn't a clear pattern of form or an obvious role that would give any confidence because you can end up chasing your own tail and not obviously improving. When we bought Onana you saw absolutely clarity of thinking on the signing and the profile, we had a weakness, we had a set of skills we wanted with a keeper and we went out and did it - and we seem to be getting what we bargained for. With Mount it is very hard to make heads or tails of it and we essentially have to just trust the manager because whatever has gone into that thinking isn't very clear and for me that's putting this signing into a danger zone at an early stage. Hopefully that is wrong.
A player we didn’t need and whose fee together with the Højlund fee, would have gotten us Harry Kane. I support Erik, but can’t understand his reasoning here.
The issue being that Mount isn't counted to that role and has never played as a second no10 or advanced CM for Chelsea or England, so again to sign him just to do this I would file as bonkers. Especially when we've sold Fred.
The other issue being that we didn't often look that convincing last season after Eriksen got injured
We hadly missed Eriksen. We had probably our best spell around the time we beat Barca in the second leg up to the cup win in Eriksen absent, that period was the best we had last season. It was actually odd ETH dropped Fred after the international break which Scott and Sabitzer scored some goals, we lost momentum after that.
The advanced 8 role is one which Mount considers to be his best role and it was the role he played initially under Lampard so its not true he hasn't played the role before.
We were never signing Kane. It wasn't a case of Mount and Højlund over Kane.
Hamstring, reportedly.
According to his stats he hasn't created any chances in either of the games.
In fact, looking at them, it's hard to work out what exactly he was doing on the pitch.
Now I'm the first to state that stats on their own don't win games, but he has a list of 0's and 0.5's, that's not even trying!
Well, there's obviously something not working with the Casemiro - Bruno - Mount triumvirate. The midfielders we are allegedly looking at buying (Amrabat, Gravenberch) or giving an increased responsibility to (Mainoo, Hannibal) won't work either, if they are merely stepping in for Mount. I see Mount as more of a Bruno replacement, but played alongside a DM as sort of a link to the AM also doesn't work, because Casemiro is not as mobile as he once was (was he ever that quick?). It does look like ETH is assembling parts for some Voltron thing that only he can see.
That said, I think Mount has been good, and when I see things breaking down, it hasn't been because of him. I could be deluding myself, but I do think he's ultimately going to be an important piece of this ETH Voltron.
The issue might not be the set-up alone. To me, I looks like heavy legs are as much as an issue. I wonder if they have trained too hard going into the season. If so, it might pay off in the weeks to come.
No worries! You've made some great posts on the subject. It's a shame the clubs standards have sunk so much that Mount being our marquee signing in an attempt to improve on last season is accepted by some. He's not good enough in general but we actually spent £50+m on him when he was in his last year which makes it even worse. Then you see City sign Kovacic who was the type of CM we actually needed.
It's a terrible transfer and the people defending it will realise soon. Just like all our big transfers.
Yeah, he's created 0 chances.
Worse, he's had 0 passes into the penalty area. Somehow he's also only completed 2 passes into the final third (Onana's also had 2. The goalkeeper I mean. Not the Everton defensive midfielder who's forward passing doesn't exist. He's made 7).
He's made 4 progressive passes total in the 2 games he's played. Eriksen had 4 in his 40-something minute sub appearances. Bruno has 20.
His duel win % is the lowest in the entire squad, he's attempted 0 shots, completed 0 dribbles and he's had fewer progressive carrying yards than basically anyone in the team.
Other than that he's had a very promising start.
Just add our best left back to the shopping list too mate.
Crazy to change the system we play for one player and that player gets injured, no back up or assistance for our D.M.
That backs up what i saw. He is next to useless, but 'decent' games. The standards have fallen so much at a club, that a 55m signing can get away with performances like that. I think Kleberson and Djemba Djemba had a bigger impact in games for us.
By this rationale the only metric we can discuss is the end of the season.
The point of the conversation was someone claiming we are weaker this season, despite the fact we are in a stronger position than we were at the same stage of last season, ie, after two games.
Thank you for confirming with real statistics what my two eyes can see.
But yeah. He runs and stuff. So he’s had a good start.
According to some.A good portion of Chelsea fans wanted rid of him, and here we are picking g up a bargain at £55m for a player on his final year that has been underperforming for quite some time. Or perhaps he was over-performing at some stage, and what we’re seeing now is par.
£55m. For this shower of shite.
It's a shame maddison didn't play in the Dutch league when eth was at ajax instead of mount otherwise we may have signed the more talented player out of the two of them on the ball and he can actually play in midfield, he is making that spurs side tick at the moment where as mount has had the opposite effect for us
You've got this backwards. Mount was brought in to facilitate the change to the system, not the other way around.
We have Bruno, Maddison is the same type of player. We needed a cm capable of pressing and progressing the ball.
1. The fee for Kane would have almost certainly been a lot higher for us than Bayern paid
2. The total transfer package would be much higher (transfer fee + signing on fee + wages)
3. ETH obviously felt two young players with potential that could cover two positions is better than signing one 30 year old player
I think these are quite clearly the reasons. It's fair to suggest Kane would have been the better signing but Mount has player just 2 league games for us so far and Højlund hasn't even played for us yet. We need to give them a chance.
can we get off the damn kane train people. Wouldve been more expensive than it was for bayern, assuming he even wouldve wanted to go to manchester. Our midfield looks thin with mount being injured are people really saying we shouldve gone into the season with our current available midfield as the healthiest, best case scenario? That be suicidal. We needed the midfield help, and just unlucky our big signing got injured early.
If some itK would have posted that Liverpool would sign Mount & we’d go on to sign Macallister+Gravenberch for the same [potentially less?] there’d have been a ‘Let’s all laugh at. . .’ moment.
Quite simply Mount can not just be serviceable, which is what I think he’ll eventually become for us, he’s not a bad player by any means but he’s not the no.8 that’s going to up the level, & given a choice between Mount or Macallister/Gravenberch it feels like a no brainer at this point.
I don’t get why we went all out in the way we did so early, I genuinely hope he proves me well & truly wrong.
Quite simply Mount can not just be serviceable, which is what I think he’ll eventually become for us, he’s not a bad player by any means but he’s not the no.8 that’s going to up the level, & given a choice between Mount or Macallister/Gravenberch it feels like a no brainer at this point.
I don’t get why we went all out in the way we did so early, I genuinely hope he proves me well & truly wrong.
I think Mount can do a lot better than we’ve seen so far. At the very least as you say, he can be a support player, but he has way higher potential.
Thread title gave me more entertainment than the player has managed so far
Mount is good at both of those things.
Hopefully he comes back into a more settled side with the likes of Bruno, Case and Rashford up to speed. Reckon it'll be much easier for him to settle then.
I think if Maddison was in this side he'd be "progressing the ball" a lot better than Mount is. There are different ways to move the ball, ultimately. Maddison has an eye for a pass and creativity that Mount seems to lack. I think he's also got more balls about him to get on the ball and try things.
He would have been a better signing than Mount. Still not the ideal signing, I think we should have looked at a different profile but to be honest for whatever Maddison's weaknesses are I'd rather have his strengths than Mount's nondescript set of skills.
He better be good. With the money spent in transfer and wages, he will hog the position of the expected player like FDJ type Deep lying playmaker midfielder and it will take 2-3 years at least for United to find another replacement.
How is Mason Mount occupying the position of FDJ?
Not arguing in good faith
Don’t even think the question worth a reply
Mate you are struggling aren't you. Mount is an 8 and a half positional player. FDJ was never that.
See him more as a Bruno replacement. Perfectly comfortable seeing him further forward as a 10. I think when he's in form he's a fantastic player but he's never come across as a dynamic midfielder excelling in deeper areas. I would like to see the 4-2-3-1 with a more natural 8 alongside Casemiro and Mount behind the striker. Just can't see him succeeding as an 8 unless his defensive positioning improves, so there's not so big a space for the DM to plug. The issue around Mount is not exclusive to the player but rather the balance of the team. For instance:
Bruno-Casemiro-Nunes.
Bruno-Casmiro-Mount
It just doesn't feel right and it's got nothing to do with the quality of the players respectfully it's the profile of the players in the said positions.
Bruno-Casemiro-Nunes.
Bruno-Casmiro-Mount
It just doesn't feel right and it's got nothing to do with the quality of the players respectfully it's the profile of the players in the said positions.
Give your head a shake mate. In United, if FDJ is to play in starting XI which player he will replace. I hope you won’t be silly in replying Casemiro or Bruno in the midfield 3.
Just wow. Paranoia seems to peak on deadline days.
Yes for posters like you who can’t comprehend a starting XI positions or post
I hope you're not silly in thinking Casemiro didn't come in as an emergency FdJ replacement.
When there's many posters questioning your thought process, it tends to be worth giving your head a wobble.
Extraordinary! Can't at this moment decide if you're a wum or if you gain your inspiration from playing FIFA in amateur mode?
Read your posts which I replied you will know the wum who contributed nothing. I replied don’t even worth replying as your question is nothing but a wum.
Seems poster VP89 has deleted the post I replied