I'm up for this signing, I'm just not up for paying £62.5million for it to happen. This lad for that money or Cherki for £25million. Only we would do the prior.
We don't have the budget for all the players mentioned, no.You mean, we aren't Liverpool/Chelsea, so there is no chance of pulling this off on a reasonable budget.
Exactly the profile we need. Physical, technical, creative and scores goals.
Give him the #10. Him and Bruno together, we will be cooking.
I think Cunha and Delap look likely and after that, we'll see. We're heavily dependent on sales by the sound of it so one big signing and a few 20/30 million?I would agree with you, but unusually I think we are quite well set up for some sizeable turnover up front.
Whilst I don’t think we will buy those 4. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Cunha, Delap and someone else.
Radhford, Antony and Sancho should be gone without too much fuss. Think we might loan out Rasmus.
I'm up for this signing, I'm just not up for paying £62.5million for it to happen. This lad for that money or Cherki for £25million. Only we would do the prior.
Indeed and we need PL goals
No doubting he's a better player in the EPL currently but we will not be able to afford him along with Cunha and a striker.Each to their own. Cherki may flatter to decisive in the PL and if hes playing in the front 3 he will need to seriously improve his productivity to he a top player in the PL. I would take Mbeumo all day, to me he is like
Mane at Southampton waiting to explode. Not only is he productive he is extremely hard working too
The PSR related point deduction as a result of doing this business certainly be transformative!Out: Hjolund, Rashford, Antony, Sancho
In: Delap, Osimhen, Cherki, Cunha
Will transform the team, along with a deep lying playmaker in midfield, a RWB and GK.
Oh we'll feck about. We'll feck about my friend.I like it, no fecking about.
Hence why in the Cunha thread I said I would prefer Mbuemo. I did not bring up CherkiNo doubting he's a better player in the EPL currently but we will not be able to afford him along with Cunha and a striker.
Cherki will not be £25M he’ll go for much more. £25M is not a release clause and was only a gentleman’s agreement and for January only.
Now back on topic:
Now back on topic:
I like Cunha, but I don't like the price. There are lots of attacking midfielders we could get at the price range. For 60m, we have options. We could throw that at Arda Guler and Madrid would sell or go for Xavi Simons who would be a great fit for the 10 position. He can play wider and is also good narrower. Even Mbuemo at 30-40m, would be a good deal and we would still have another 20-30m to spend on someone like Cherki. Also, he can only really play as a 10 as he can't play as a winger and not great as a 9.
For 60m, I would go for Xavi Simons but I don't think buying Cunha is a bad idea, just not at that price.
And the last decent season. His stats for the last couple of years are better than Mane at Southampton, and you can't buy a player like that for 30-odd million anymore.62.5 million for a guy that only has this decent season behind him? Seems mad to even fathom.
You say we have options but you literally don't know what those options are.I like Cunha, but I don't like the price. There are lots of attacking midfielders we could get at the price range. For 60m, we have options. We could throw that at Arda Guler and Madrid would sell or go for Xavi Simons who would be a great fit for the 10 position. He can play wider and is also good narrower. Even Mbuemo at 30-40m, would be a good deal and we would still have another 20-30m to spend on someone like Cherki. Also, he can only really play as a 10 as he can't play as a winger and not great as a 9.
For 60m, I would go for Xavi Simons but I don't think buying Cunha is a bad idea, just not at that price.
Agreed. It's about time we go back to signing PL proven players.The key things for Cunha over Cherki, he's obviously got bags of epl experience and shown he can shine in this league, but more importantly, I would guess is that Wolves play the same system as Amorim, he's used to it, understands it and can hit the ground running.
Signing Cunha and Delap makes so much sense.
Guler in the hustle and bustle of premier league? It would fail spectacularly. Doesn't strike me as a fighter type. Xavi I'm not sold on him. Cherki I also have reservations. Of all those listed Cunha looks the surest bet for me.You say we have options but you literally don't know what those options are.
There's no serious indication that Madrid will sell Guler. Xavi Simons apparently isn't allowed to leave for less than his release clause (~£70m), which makes sense because they basically paid that for him. Mbuemo is not going for ~£30-40m, he has one year left, plus the club has an option for a further year so he has two years left on his deal (if Mbeumo was available for £30m, I think the whole league would be after him). Cherki's ~£25m verbal (!) release clause was only valid during January to the best of our knowledge.
It's great to say why are we doing this, there's better options here? But if we are going to have a go at what the club are doing, let's be serious and not make up what the options are, it serves no purpose.
What we do know, is that the club value Cunha, and appear to be willing to pay his release clause. Cunha appears to really want to come here and we aren't a second or third choice or whatever. We could look at this and say, he's performed very well in the PL, he's got a release clause that in line with his contributions for his time in the PL is actually reasonable (subjectively, I get that) and with him reaching what should be his prime years in his career. So we could be excited about this deal and what we know it entails. Or we can choose to pretend that there are all these other options on the table, despite not having a clue if they actually are options?
Well regardless if it was true or not (leaning towards true as it’s come from Romano) it doesn’t matter now as it’s no longer JanuaryCherki didn't look great to me.
The price, if true, is obviously attractive but I wouldn't sign him just for that reason.
Can he actually play as a number 9 or not?
That's a big plus if true.
I'm pretty sure he has done before. Not his best role, as ideally you want him picking up the ball facing the goal and running with it, but I think he can do it. Would certainly help take weight off a younger striker, if you need toHe tends to play a more withdrawn role for Wolves as he's good at progressing play and carrying the ball. But I do think he could play as a 9 if needed, he's physical enough, he's got the pace and technical ability, and has good finishing. I doubt that's what we will be signing him for but I think he could fill in there.
He tends to play a more withdrawn role for Wolves as he's good at progressing play and carrying the ball. But I do think he could play as a 9 if needed, he's physical enough, he's got the pace and technical ability, and has good finishing. I doubt that's what we will be signing him for but I think he could fill in there.
It's useful though if all our other number 10s are fit and Hojlund is still misfiring.
You say we have options but you literally don't know what those options are.
There's no serious indication that Madrid will sell Guler. Xavi Simons apparently isn't allowed to leave for less than his release clause (~£70m), which makes sense because they basically paid that for him. Mbuemo is not going for ~£30-40m, he has one year left, plus the club has an option for a further year so he has two years left on his deal (if Mbeumo was available for £30m, I think the whole league would be after him). Cherki's ~£25m verbal (!) release clause was only valid during January to the best of our knowledge.
It's great to say why are we doing this, there's better options here? But if we are going to have a go at what the club are doing, let's be serious and not make up what the options are, it serves no purpose.
What we do know, is that the club value Cunha, and appear to be willing to pay his release clause. Cunha appears to really want to come here and we aren't a second or third choice or whatever. We could look at this and say, he's performed very well in the PL, he's got a release clause that in line with his contributions for his time in the PL is actually reasonable (subjectively, I get that) and with him reaching what should be his prime years in his career. So we could be excited about this deal and what we know it entails. Or we can choose to pretend that there are all these other options on the table, despite not having a clue if they actually are options?
So just a question, is it better to underperform xg or overperform? If a player consistently outperforms XG, are they not just a better quality finisher?
Can he actually play as a number 9 or not?
That's a big plus if true.
He tends to play a more withdrawn role for Wolves as he's good at progressing play and carrying the ball. But I do think he could play as a 9 if needed, he's physical enough, he's got the pace and technical ability, and has good finishing. I doubt that's what we will be signing him for but I think he could fill in there.
He played upfront against us first game of last season where he and Wolves tore us a new one and we somehow won 1-0. He was dropping deep to start a lot of his runs though so more of a false 9 you could say.I'm pretty sure he has done before. Not his best role, as ideally you want him picking up the ball facing the goal and running with it, but I think he can do it. Would certainly help take weight off a younger striker, if you need to
He did also miss a plethora of good chances in that match, so probably shouldn't be relied on for regular goals...He played upfront against us first game of last season where he and Wolves tore us a new one and we somehow won 1-0. He was dropping deep to start a lot of his runs though so more of a false 9 you could say.
I think the thing that stretches it out will be negotiations on installments and fee structure.When you consider Wolves paid 45M for Cunha, it makes any negotiating on the 62.5M buyout a waste of time.
United know what they need to pay. So it shouldn't take very long at all.
This is the whole point of xG. An elite striker (think Son, Messi, Kane) might be able to reliably score those 10 chances. The guy who takes 10 shots worth 0.3xG is never, ever going to do that again, it has to have an incredible amount of luck.I also think that you can't just add xG together to see how many 'goals' someone should score, because the stat isn't quite predicting this in an even manner.
I would imagine what youwould be better doing is splitting xG into categories e.g 0.01-0.2, 0.21-0.4, 0.41-0.6 etc. This way you can look at the types of chances each player tends to get and then how many of those types of chances they convert.
The reason this is important for me is that a striker who scores all ten chances that got that were rated say 0.7 would be outperforming their xG by 30% and another player who scored all 10 chances rated at 0.3 would outperform their xG by 70%
A fox in the box striker would therefore could be doing far better outperforming their xG by 15% (assuming they get lots of high xG tap in goals by always making the right runs and almost never fluffing a chance) compared to a player outperforming xG by 50% having scored half a dozen shots from 25 yards.
