Matheus Cunha | Official | signed the first day of the window

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Went to lookup the stats to help Hojlund and looked at Haaland but even Haaland does far better defensively than him, funnily enough on "Whoscored" they noted that "Hojlund has no considerable strengths" and as a note they put that he doesn't like to dive into tackles :lol:
None of that matters, he caused Kyle Walkers career to die of embarrassment.
 
This seems to make a lot of sense, but I do wonder how he and Bruno as 10s will create enough width to open deep defenses.

Seems to put it all back on our wing backs, who are hardly showing an ability to create this season.
Wouldn't be surprised if Diego Leon was a starter next season so maybe we aren't looking to recruit at LWB, in terms of RWB then perhaps we want to give one of the academy guys an opportunity next season
 
So IF we get this over the line as still not done yet then who are you playing on the right side. There has been talk of Amad being more of a RWB next season

If Amad does move back, then I suppose it's either Bruno (but it seems he makes more of an impact for the team when he's back settled as a center midfielder when we're chasing the game and the opposition are sitting back a bit), Zirkzee, or we actually buy another ten to go behind ?Delap.

I'd be shocked if we get a second 10 signing for the right, unless it's someone like that Argentine talent or Dibling.
 
The best thing about this deal is the timing. Even with Dorgu it took ages. Now we can focus on other parts of the team.
 
I’ve been going back and forth on this transfer.

On one hand £62m seems like a lot of money on a player on the back of a couple of good seasons in the prem who may not be top tier. We also have a number of players who can play in those two number 10 roles so will potentially create a bit of imbalance in the squad as we’re light in other areas.

However, I think on reflection maybe where we went wrong last summer was not buying any players that had PL experience. Especially on the back of a poor season where the likes of Hojlund had failed to really establish themselves at PL level. We’ve found ourselves with a team where most of the players have yet to really establish themselves as good Premier League players.

I can’t help but think that some of the signings from other leagues would have fared better if they had that experience around them.

If you look back at when Maguire and AWB were signed, we overpaid for the two players relative to their ability, but there’s no doubt that they were a big benefit to us in the short-term the way they slotted straight into the team and played to a good level week in week out and meeting the demands of the league. In AWB’s case this was even just on the back of a good breakout season at Palace.

The problem is in this day and age you can’t take players from other PL sides without paying a big premium so it’s difficult to build out a squad if you go down this road. We have to strike the right balance and identify players whose contract situation or release clauses allow us to strike a deal and then compliment that with the right talents from other leagues in my opinion.

By this logic, Delap could be a good addition also.
 
I don't know what this if clause is doing there, because you're not describing Cunha. Last year he also outperformed his xg, but by a normal amount. Absolutely nothing like this year. If this year is his level, then he's the world's best finisher by an extremely large margin. The gap in quality between Cunha and players like Messi and Son is bigger than the gap between those and Darwin.

Is that something you actually believe is true?
Sorry for the late response, forgot to reply to it.

For the sake of the debate, let's say that what you're saying is correct, that the rate of his goal scoring is unsustainable, and that the amount of goals he scores next season is in line with his xG; That would still put him up as one of the highest goal scoring attacking midfieldes in the league, ahead of the likes of Bruno, Rogers, Gibbs-White, Maddison, Odegaard, Maddison, Kulusevski, Kluivert, Foden and more. From what I can find, only Palmer is ahead on xG, so he would still be scoring more goals than most attacking midfielders in the league. And this is if that goal rate actually is reduced to his xG. To me, it seems more likely that he is going to continue developing and improve further with a chance of increasing his goal rate for us even further, partly because he would be playing with better technical players in Bruno, Amad, Zirkzee (and hopefully a new technical striker), but also because he has been steadily improving across his time for Wolverhampton, and looking like he is just getting better and better.
 
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Wolves probably being realistic and agreed to it, might even end up paying slightly above the release clause for this.
Could be that they're worried that no one will want to pay that next summer if he stays plus he might make a lot of noise to force a move
 
From what local press and journos linked to Wolves are reporting the clause initially had to be paid in full but if the buying club wanted to pay in instalments then a slightly higher fee can be negotiated.

It looks like Cunha’s mind is made up and it’s you he wants to sign for so i guess he will get what he wants, I’m happy that of he’s leaving its to you so i can at least still cheer him on, i was gutted when Jota left for the scousers as i hate them.

He’s a very very good player and often glides past people like they’re not even on the pitch, has a good shot on him and can spot a pass too, though he does have a spoilt brat moment in him now and again, at wolves we can forgive that because he just turns it on on match day and wins us the game, it will be really interesting to see how he gets on at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Please don’t come back for Joao Gomes or Andre
 
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I think he is a good buy based on PL stats. He is more likely to be successful than more foreign signings. 15 goals and 6 assists is consider a good value from an attacking midfielder/forward.
 
Sorry for the late response, forgot to reply to it.

For the sake of the debate, let's say that what you're saying is correct, that the rate of his goal scoring is unsustainable, and that the amount of goals he scores next season is in line with his xG; That would still put him up as one of the highest goal scoring attacking midfieldes in the league, ahead of the likes of Bruno, Rogers, Gibbs-White, Maddison, Odegaard, Maddison, Kulusevski, Kluivert, Foden and more. From what I can find, only Palmer is ahead on xG, so he would still be scoring more goals than most attacking midfielders in the league. And this is if that goal rate actually is reduced to his xG. To me, it seems more likely that he is going to continue developing and improve further with a chance of increasing his goal rate for us even further, partly because he would be playing with better technical players in Bruno, Amad, Zirkzee (and hopefully a new technical striker), but also because he has been steadily improving across his time for Wolverhampton, and looking like he is just getting better and better.

I'm sorry, but it was a pretty simple question. Do you think he's multiple times as good as Messi at finishing or not? If we picture finishing ability as a 100 meter dash, if this season is Cunha's actual true level (as you claimed), then when he's crossing the finish line, Messi would be at around 60m, most attackers would be at 45-55m, and a few would struggle at around 40m. Do you believe this, or do you not?

Of course he can be a very good player without sustaining his unsustainable streak, United wouldn't be interested if that weren't the case. No one involved with this deal, including Cunha himself, thinks this streak is going to last.
 
Wow those Hojlund stats. I know he's playing (or trying to play) as a lone 9 but that still seems incredibly low.

How does that compare to forwards from other teams?

Isak - 31 games, 12 tackles 3 interceptions
Haaland - 28 games 9 tackles 5 interceptions
Nunez - 26 games 18 tackles 3 interceptions
Danny Welbeck - 27 games 22 tackles 5 interceptions
Delap - 33 games 10 tackles 2 interceptions
Mateta - 33 games 17 tackles 2 interceptions
Nicolas Jackson - 28 games 19 tackles 3 interceptions
Watkins - 34 games 9 tackles 7 interceptions
Zirkzee - 32 games 14 tackles 6 interceptions
Evanilson - 27 games 14 tackles 0 interceptions
Vardy - 32 games 18 tackles 3 interceptions

Hojlund 28 games 3 tackles 1 interception

of all premier league forwards with 25+ games played, Hojlund has the lowest number of tackles + interceptions combined (4), not just one of the lowest.

If you watch our games closely, you will find that he rarely really "presses" - just jog and jog
 
From what local press and journos linked to Wolves are reporting the clause initially had to be paid in full but if the buying club wanted to pay in instalments then a slightly higher fee can be negotiated.

It looks like Cunha’s mind is made up and it’s you he wants to sign for so i guess he will get what he wants, I’m happy that of he’s leaving its to you so i can at least still cheer him on, i was gutted when Jota left for the scousers as i hate them.

He’s a very very good player and often glides past people like they’re not even on the pitch, has a good shot on him and can spot a pass too, though he does have a spoilt brat moment in him now and again, at wolves we can forgive that because he just turns it on on match day and wins us the game, it will be really interesting to see how he gets on at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Please don’t come back for Joao Gomes or Andre
The scouse hate instantly gives you legendary status on here, hopefully he can bag a winner at Anfield next season for you and us to enjoy. Good luck against City tomorrow we are rooting for you
 
I'm sorry, but it was a pretty simple question. Do you think he's multiple times as good as Messi at finishing or not? If we picture finishing ability as a 100 meter dash, if this season is Cunha's actual true level (as you claimed), then when he's crossing the finish line, Messi would be at around 60m, most attackers would be at 45-55m, and a few would struggle at around 40m. Do you believe this, or do you not?

Of course he can be a very good player without sustaining his unsustainable streak, United wouldn't be interested if that weren't the case. No one involved with this deal, including Cunha himself, thinks this streak is going to last.
That’s an absolutely ridiculous comparison, and has no connection with football. Every stride on the 100m dash is the same, but no two goals are the same. The reason Cunha has such a high overperformance is because he’s scored a lot of goals from distance, i.e. low xG chances. It’s the same reason Greenwood had such overperformance when he broke through (haven’t tracked how he’s performed vs xG since though, that could be a valid comparison).

For this kind of shot/goal, I’m not certain xG is the most relevant thing to compare it to. It would be really interesting to see the spread of all Cunha’s goals on how high xG the chances were. I’d bet he got something like 5 goals from 0.2 xG (I’m guessing here). If you take that out his overperformance is more normal. Just brainstorming here, not sure this is a valid analysis approach.
 
This is such a incredibly bad and also poorly written article, like a school essay froma 10 year old. :lol:
Well, the internet needs content.
Indeed! Good for him that he could make a name for himself in less intellectual pursuits, he wouldn’t have made much of a success of himself if he didn’t have football.
 
This is such a incredibly bad and also poorly written article, like a school essay froma 10 year old. :lol:
Well, the internet needs content.

Indeed! Good for him that he could make a name for himself in less intellectual pursuits, he wouldn’t have made much of a success of himself if he didn’t have football.
Clearly Scholes has not used ChatGPT there, or if he has he asked for it to be dumbed down quite a bit.
 
Any real reliable updates, I’m desperate for us to see this deal over the line.
 
That’s an absolutely ridiculous comparison, and has no connection with football. Every stride on the 100m dash is the same, but no two goals are the same. The reason Cunha has such a high overperformance is because he’s scored a lot of goals from distance, i.e. low xG chances. It’s the same reason Greenwood had such overperformance when he broke through (haven’t tracked how he’s performed vs xG since though, that could be a valid comparison).

For this kind of shot/goal, I’m not certain xG is the most relevant thing to compare it to. It would be really interesting to see the spread of all Cunha’s goals on how high xG the chances were. I’d bet he got something like 5 goals from 0.2 xG (I’m guessing here). If you take that out his overperformance is more normal. Just brainstorming here, not sure this is a valid analysis approach.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/4294600

It's mapped out here in the heat map. Obvioulsy he won't score from a corner every season, but I think there's no real reason to say he can't score 4-5 goals from outside the box every season, which is the biggest impact of his overperformance.
 
I'm sorry, but it was a pretty simple question. Do you think he's multiple times as good as Messi at finishing or not? If we picture finishing ability as a 100 meter dash, if this season is Cunha's actual true level (as you claimed), then when he's crossing the finish line, Messi would be at around 60m, most attackers would be at 45-55m, and a few would struggle at around 40m. Do you believe this, or do you not?

Of course he can be a very good player without sustaining his unsustainable streak, United wouldn't be interested if that weren't the case. No one involved with this deal, including Cunha himself, thinks this streak is going to last.
Obviously, I don't think he is multiple times as good as Messi when it comes to finishing, but I'm not sure how that is relevant to the statistic we're talking about at all. Cunha outperforming his xG by a .26 difference this season does not say anything about his finishing. There are just too many factors in the xG statistic to paint a clear picture, and there are a lot of players that consistently outperform their xG. Harry Kane has consistently outscored his xG in all but two seasons. Agüero did it in his last four seasons (and probably more too, but the statistic don't go further back than 2017-18 season). Foden has outscored his xG by quite some distance in 5 of his 6 Premier League seasons. James Maddison has done the same in 4 out of his 5 last seasons. Mahrez is another example. Your own example - Messi - has been doing it in all of his seasons for Barcelona by a huge margin, so I'm not sure how your point on asking me if Cunha being a better finisher than Messi is a valid question, when the difference between Messi's xG and actual goal scoring rate is greater than Cunha's.

xG is not a constant. It changes throughout the season, and Cunha's xG could may as well be 0.45 for us next season, and he could be scoring more goals for us next season than he has done for Wolves. I'm not saying it is likely that he will be able to sustain his goal scoring rate, he probably won't, but as I pointed out in my previous post, even if it were to be reduced to his current xG, it would still be better than most attacking midfielders in the league, so I don't see the problem. He is a good goal scorer and scores goals from distance, which is also why he is outscoring his xG. There is no reason to think he won't be able to score around 11-12 league goals every season. We don't need him to score 15 goals in the league alone for him to be a successful transfer and a great player for us. He is technically great, is a menace offensively and can dribble and take players on. Fairly creative too, great movement and a decent finisher. To me, it's a no brainer at that price.
 
Chelsea fans could say the same about their flops. At the end of the day, managers and organisations at other clubs and national teams were able to motivate a lot of those players to achieve great things.

When you put all those names up against some of the talents we have developed ourselves, who haven't been able to make the most of their talent at this club for whatever reason. Players like Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho, Morrison, Lingard, Williams to name a few - it isn't a great look for the club and we certainly aren't in a position to be throwing stones at anyone else.

The culture of the club has been rotten for a decade or more. There were several players who arrived to Carrington since 2013 and flopped, who would've been a success if they'd arrived in that door a decade earlier, or if they'd joined a City or a Liverpool during this same period.

We can be hopeful that under the new regime, steps are being taken to address that rot, but to bury our heads in the sand and act like it was never happening is silly.
The culture has been rotten for years as you say…it’s clear for all to see. The problem I have with Scholes and his comments (which is maybe where others are also cheesed off) is that we are all hopeful that the new regime are taking steps to address the rot, except for Scholes. He doesn’t seem to want us to address the rot and when we try to, he moans about it as he doesn’t seem to think Cunha should join us. How the feck do we address the rot if we don’t sign anyone of sufficient quality to play for us? Why the feck is he putting such a negative spin on it?

The new regime can’t jump in their DeLorean and correct the mistakes of the past. They can only address the gaping holes or lack of quality in our squad now with better players than we currently have, such as Cunha…we could do with more articles from ex-legends that acknowledge this or better yet, silence from them whilst they see how we look after the window has closed rather than warning players off! It’s infuriating.
 
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