So from what they're writing, Poch's not exactly a longer term appointment than typical three years.
This is what I don’t get. Villa wanted Gerrard - they paid the money and got him. Nothing rangers could do about it.
Yep hence the 10m price that's been quoted
Given the squad depth we have now, that is something he can use as solution of the problem. I think apart from his Spurs full backs (Walker/Trippier/Davies/Rose), he couldn't rotate much at Spurs as their squad depth are much worse than ours. Although, we are still lacking quality depth in midfield and right back but that is something he can figure out if he is hired now to prepare for next summer transfer.
With Zidane aiming for different challenge, it's probably inevitable we should finally go for someone... but it has to be done fully under football oriented conditions this time.
) before Solskjaer was made permanent and he was adamant Poch had some sort of pre-contract agreement with us for that summer. I’ve no idea if this is even a thing but if true then it could quicken things up slightly if we go balls deep on him.It was clear to everyone we wanted him when we sacked Jose then Ed and co blew their load early and gave Ole the full time gig based on his interim runI remember speaking to a journalist (friend of a friend
Does he?
I always thought manager contract is bit different and you can actually buy their remaining year in their contract. Thus, I thought 10m price is how you buy the remaining of his contract.
I had always assumed that with Managers it works differently as they are not club owned assets in the way that players are. The fee is compensation and not a transfer fee and so if Poch says he is leaving there is really nothing PSG can do to stop him
I read somewhere today that a manager can't just resign, they have clauses in their contracts which would restrict them from joining another club.
Is Zidane interested in the Paris job? I thought he was waiting for the national team job?
Indeed but it seems the 'selling' club can still decline the offer
I never understood how Ed and co managed to blow up Poch's appointment and hired Ole full time. All they had to do was simply stick to the plan and make a decision at the end of the season. By then they'd have realized that Ole's purple patch was just new manager's bounce since results were absolutely horrible after his initial 11 or so games. No way would the board have given Ole the full time job had they waited and seen the totality of Ole's interim run.
He is still under contract, the club has to accept the resignation, now if Poch then simply refused to coach he would be in breech of his contract and could be taken to court. What is more than likely is he would be put on "gardening leave" till the end of his contract.
Yep what can we say other than the obvious, they don't know what they're doing likewise giving Ole the extension in the summer
The solid source say that he isn't and that he is focused on the national team. But others are speculating otherwise.
What if the board knows that too and thinks "why should we pay £10m when PSG want it as much as us?"
Remember we have had days of discussion here that it's premature to give Ole a full time contract before the season is over. Shows how incompetent our management is, when some random posters know better than our director.
I think that I agree with that. Despite my doubts regarding Pochettino long term suitability, I do think that he is a safer immediate appointment, with him we can expect a high floor and until prove otherwise he isn't a lunatic that will purposely alienate executives and players.
But the ceiling is high with Ten Hag. We know what Poch will do . With Ten Hag , it's Pep level of potential and that's what it makes it more interesting and exciting. He could very well be another average Dutch manager but if we hit the lottery, we would be set for a treat.
means he wants to get rid of the wank Maguire.
Can we stop chatting rubbish about Poch's ceiling? He's 49, a couple years younger than Ten Hag. He has a long career ahead of him and has high potential.
agree Spoons
I am pretty sure this situation has occurred before and essentially a court case is a lose/lose for everyone involved. If a club takes this route the Court will ultimately find in their favour but set a compensation price and allow the Manager to switch clubs because to do anything else is a violation of labour laws. PSG won't waste their time with this and will just demand the maximum up front. PSG can refuse to discuss terms with United and at that point it is essentially up to Poch to force his way out which he may well be reluctant to do but if he does quit then PSG really have no alternative than to replace him and settle for compensation as the alternative is to continue without a Manager and turn the whole thing into a clown show.
Need that 10 Hag in my life now.
Like every other domains what matter is experience, it's not as if managers have unlimited development. After 12 years you are most likely what you are, it's the same for everyone.
So Poch's work at Spurs and Southampton would define his ceiling as a manager? I disagree.
Pleaae read again- no one said anything about Poch's potential. I have seen what Poch can do at Southampton, Spurs and PSG. We know what he can do with a team.
I don't think he improved significantly from his first year at Tottenham to the last, I don't think that he found solutions to the limitations of his system and he didn't adapt his system to the new players he had, I could give him the benefit of doubt if the same story didn't apply to PSG. His best season was 16/17 which is going to be 5 years ago.
Where does this narrative comes from? I mean can people at least elaborate on this bit since it gets brought up a lot but it's yet to be explained to people why Poch has reached his potential and has shown everything he has to show while Ten Hag is this guy with a ridiculously high ceiling compared to Poch. I mean is there anything substantial to prove that or at least explain it.
You said you know Pochs ceiling, which just isnt true. His potential has not been realised so early in his career.
We have different outlooks on it. I believe Poch did a fantastic job and overachieved. He would go to the highest ever PL finish one season, and then beat that record the following year. He made them established CL quality and displaced Arsenal when no one ever thought that would happen.
If Manchester United hadn't expressed and interest in Poch he might have got the sack in the next few games and you could have got him for free?
Yeah that was a really chaotic attempt. I’d like to know the conversations that led to it and what the plan was. The goal that came right at the start was a perfect example of how not to press, especially against a side like Liverpool
Nah they’re mistaken (at least about the one season bit). It was a feature of his game for the majority of his tenure at Spurs. It was only in his final season that he moved away from it. I have a couple of theories as to why that was the case, but prior to that they were very much a high pressing side and the stats reflect this ( in the top few sides for possession won in the final third etc).
