And it wouldn't fix his problems that are centered around the 7 other players.
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Please PSG, do the right thing for once. Keep him in the job until we've announced 10 Hag.
We tried pressing game under Ole and players lately were running like headless chicken after the ball. Game vs City was more of a training ground exercise how not to do it.
If Poch is not able to implement it the right way, we should steer clear or it's another three years of delusions about competing.
If Poch is not able to implement it the right way, we should steer clear or it's another three years of delusions about competing.
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No surprise here. PSG are the ultimate “small man” with money. They don’t want the perception of being pushed around by the traditional big clubs. This is the club that turned down a massive bid for Mbappe when it’s almost guaranteed he’s not signing another contract with them. So expect the same nonsense with Poch.
At least there's a plan, which does not involve giving the job to an ex-Liverpool coach.
And this. Just get Ten Hag becuase we know that’s the type of football we need in order to compete.
Rip the band aid off, take the plunge now and make an offer he can’t refuse.
We have to be working towards a modern style of play to compete in this league with the teams/managers we have here. It’s long overdue and we have to make sure the next guy can implement it.
I don't see anyone saying Poch is the next Sir Alex but one thing I've noticed with Poch is many fans opinions are at either end of extremities, either they are drastically overrating him or drastically underrating his achievements.
A good example for me of a managers influence is where the club they leave ends off. Since departing Spurs, the team hasn't had a sniff at any decent UCL run and Tottenham have been inconsistent and a mile off in the league they have totally capitulated.
People need to assess the weakness of this United side and most of it is tactical discipline. If any manager has any idea about identity, philosophy and a little tactical nous the team will reach new heights. Owen Hargreaves made a good point concerning this last night, the new manager is not taking over a relegation fodder side, United have arguably the second / third best team on paper in the league. The team is like a well orchestrated wind percussion instrument it's the fine tuning which perfects the sound.
Poch, ETH, Zidane or Enrique for me would do far better with the resources at this club compared to what Ole has done.
So we should avoid managers who like to implement pressing?
That will leave our choices pretty limited. Sam Allardyce come on down!
That's not really a good example since you are talking about a different group of players, that would make sense if Pochettino left on a high and with key players in their prime. Instead he left them with most key players out, past it or injured. I wouldn't put it on him specifically but the particularity of his tenure at Tottenham is that he didn't leave much behind him.
That’s more of an implementation failure, Pochettino has a well drilled pressing side at Spurs.
Aye and there's this another thing - I do like Poch as a person, but is he the type to make key decision like squad clearout if it means better future's sake ? Another question which we would love to hear from Poch himself I guess... We're in such a difficult time to make that kind of decision, time and time again. Just doing everything in a hurry, then paying the price.
There's gotta be way out of this or we'll just never learn as a club post SAF.
Good to hear that, mainly because we simply cannot afford another 3 years of mistakes in such fundamental matters like shaping of a team with so many younger talents like Sancho, Amad or Mejbri.
Yes but Poch can point to 2 other PL teams where he's coached a top level press. Ole just said he'd do it. Big difference.
Yeah with the talent your side has it would be a shame to have it wasted. I don't actually know how he'll do if he comes (though I think he's a good manager), and I've only seen his PSG side a couple of times in Europe so can't comment on them, but at least during his PL time he implemented effective pressing systems, and elevated a fair few of his players.
Do you have a preference about who comes in?
If Zizou isn't interested in joining PSG mid-season then I can't see this happening. Hope we get a good interim that can secure us top 4 and a good run in the champions league.
Just make us fun to watch again combined with the sentimentality, and most fans would be tolerant of this season.
In the meantime we get to see how Poch and ETH does with their respective clubs and get the better one that wants to come to us.
Just make us fun to watch again combined with the sentimentality, and most fans would be tolerant of this season.
In the meantime we get to see how Poch and ETH does with their respective clubs and get the better one that wants to come to us.
Yeah its a weird point
Ole had no clue how to coach teams to press, and had no history of doing so. That doesn't mean poch couldn't implement a pressing game, ten hag would also look to do the same
The weirdest thing about our attempts at pressing this season is that we seemed to choose the liverpool game as the perfect time to try out a high press
Spurs got rid of a lot of dross under him in his three windows.
Gomes,Livermore,Sandro,Sigurdsson,Assou-Ekotto,Townsend, Capoue,Lennon,Adebayor,Paulinho,Holtby etc. Loads more as well.
Spurs did a great clear out under him.
Who are we even left with!
Honestly, my preference is that I won't trust any new manager coming in. It's not about competence of a man in charge it's also perspective of him working under Glazers, Woodward & Arnold. The situation is piling up with complications, we could spend another 200m next summer and players could just give up in the middle of November. There's some serious football culture crisis in the club.
It has to be right man for United or simply best manager with best staff there is. If board will even let him sign players strictly he needs for his system that would be huge success we never really had after SAF era.
If Poch could break the circle of underwhelming players hunting for new contracts and make substantial change in that regard, that would already mean somekind a change of football culture in the club.
Imo supporters would appreciate him strictly for that more than anyone post SAF.
Many reports on twitter now that we've had an initial approach rebuffed... seems like it is Pochettino we want, i'm sure we'll keep at it but we need to have a cut off point so we can bring in an interim
If it's true Zidane doesn't want the PSG job then can't see this happening. No way PSG let their manager go mid season with no replacement. Wouldn't be against a Valverde till the end of the season, so long as they seriously consider Ten Hag in the summer.
Tbf I see benefits in both Poch and Ten Hag tbh but Ten Hag slightly edges it for me, as long as one of those 2 join in the summer I'd be fairly happy and confident in our manager for the first time post Fergie.
Tbf I see benefits in both Poch and Ten Hag tbh but Ten Hag slightly edges it for me, as long as one of those 2 join in the summer I'd be fairly happy and confident in our manager for the first time post Fergie.
PSG know they hold the cards. Waiting for us to pay them to release Poch and then Zidane will happily join them.
Valverde now and throw the bank at 9+1 Hag in the summer if Poch doesn't wanna budge.
Zidane can then demand more money too.
I don't buy the mid season nonsense. PSG only care about Champions League and that is on hold for two months after 8 December. We may have to wait till then if City beat PSG tonight and Bruge beat Leipzig, because in that scenario PSG won't reach knock out stage tomorrow.
I don't think Poch is playing games. He knows PSG is a bad fit and he most likely won't win the UCL and will get sacked. But he quite likely can't just break contract and leave for another club.
averaged 2.26 points per game last season, averaging 2.64 points this season. If he continues that points haul he’ll get 100 points, completely eclipsing Tuchel’s best PSG season in 2018/2019.
Oh and he’s top of the CL group.
And he’s barely had Messi.
“No different”
Yeah or perhaps Zidane isn’t available in which case you don’t let go of your manager when you have no one to replace him. Unless of course you’re us and your manager needed firing which Poch does not.
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I can feel an interim appointment
That's because Ole had no idea how to do it. There aren't that many who do which is why they are in high demand. Poch and ETH both do.
Unsurprising to ready especially with the Valverde as interim manager rumours
Isn’t he out of contract then?
Signed an extension until 2023 in the summer
Ok. For those that are looking forward to Pochettino on the basis of his high line/high press, I asked the Spurs fans on Reddit about it.
The consensus is that the high press endured for a season or so and then the players got burned out. So, be warned. It's very likely that you'll not get this high press you're thinking of.
The consensus is that the high press endured for a season or so and then the players got burned out. So, be warned. It's very likely that you'll not get this high press you're thinking of.
If this is true then we just have to accept it. He's a high presser so he will do for now. We shouldn't get spooked into hiring Bodger.
Because they had a thin squad and Levy wouldn't/couldn't find the money to expand it. Small club problem.
Yup, that's also why sacking Ole in this present time looks even more ineffective, while hopes and enormous pressure is on another ex-player.
It will be truly hard to trust any new manager coming when everything about our appointment system is so random and out of place.
Sacking Ole will have a short term positive effect. Long term only a high press will bring results so we need Poch or ETH. It's that simple. It may not be enough given the Glazers but then again maybe it is. Without it we will never get anywhere.
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