Didn't realise that only effected PSG.
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Well they did play the very late CL final
While the rest of the Ligue 1 did not even restart after break. That cannot really be underestimated as a factor in early season form.
CL final was 23 August 2020. PSG first Ligue 1 game was on 10 September 2020.
Ligue 1 cancelled mid season, so most teams out of European competition (beside Lyon, PSG) had vacation, and pre season.
Who were those everyone else? Bayern got thumped in their second league game. Manchester City also had a slow start. We as semi finalist in EL, also had a terrible slow start (the reason why this season bad start is not tolerable, while last season was excusable)
Edit: Inter Milan EL finalist, also had a slow start to the season.
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PSG had injuries and lots of covid infections, Tuchel definitely has mitigating factors and it wasn't actually great for Pochettino either but better, Verratti was out for most of the second half of the season, Di Maria had an injury and failed to regain form, Bernat was still out and Neymar injured for a while.
Poch has won 2 trophies with PSG
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Just don't trust this board, they'll get an interim then he'll do okay and they'll just offer it to them along with keeping the current coaches
It happend once. Wish people stopped pretending we do this every time.
Seems to be a lot of back-pedalling there. So Poch wasn't better than Tuchel because he [reasons]?
"Always chasing" and "Tuchel was responsible"... this was the table before PSG played Lille:
Couldn’t be more obvious
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Of course you don't. If he'd won it though you'd definitely be using it as a plus for Poch though, but because he missed out on it, let's just write it off shall we? Poch had to draw relegation fodder Nantes and Lorient to win the French League. He needed 1 point from 2 games. He got none, hence missing out on the title. Imagine United missing out on the title because we couldn't take 1 point of the likes of Norwhich and Brentford.
The reason I'm bringing up Wenger is simple. The man was an elite manager, but when he was strapped of funds, he still won trophies. He did both.
Poch did an Ole. Every time he was in a semi, he would blow it.(take that game against us with Jose being the manager). He simply doesn't have the X factor to be the United manager.
We will get the top 4 every year though, but hand on heart: do you see Poch turning us into title contenders? I don't
Come on, are we really counting ‘super cup’ as a trophy now?
By that measure Moyes was quite successful at United with his 1 trophy in 7 months.
The real challenge with PSG is winning CL. You don’t prove much by winning the league or domestic cups, missing out on any of them is going to come with questions though. We are discussing a club whose financial power is about 4 times that of the second richest team.
You don’t ‘prove yourself’ by winning Super Cup with PSG. That’s just ridiculous.
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Carrick at the steering.
Seems to be a lot of back-pedalling there. So Poch wasn't better than Tuchel because he [reasons]?
"Always chasing" and "Tuchel was responsible"... this was the table before PSG played Lille:
only back pedaling is you. I stated poch was better because he had a higher win percentage 1 game against lille does not make a difference in the context of 1 point, as other already noted. If tuchel had a higher win percentage, then he wouldn't had bottled the league.
Go back to the spurs forum and keep dreaming of the days when you guys could make another champion league final under Pochettino because that will not happen often.
or even getting one of your highest league point. Sorry, I know you are trying, but it isn't working with your dead end argument.
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People have short memories. This guy took Spurs above us most seasons making the top 4 consistently. He did it without the budget teams had around him and even did so well people just slagged Spurs for 0 trophies.
Umm no you didn't, you said "Poch did better than tuchel, so it was more so that tuchel bottled the league than Poch"
Umm what? Yes it does. Lille won the league by one point - PSG gave them 3 points, so:
- If PSG drew, Lille would have 2 less points and PSG 1 more (so PSG would have otherwise won the league by 2 points)
- If PSG won, Lille would have 3 less points and PSG 3 more (so PSG would have otherwise won the league by 5 points)
You can't "bottle the league" 17 games in. When Tuchel was sacked, PSG were 1 point off the top. When the season ended, they were 1 point off the top. From that angle, Pochettino made no difference - however, PSG were top whilst Poch was manager and threw it away - which is basically the definition of 'bottling'.
One day I'm sure you'll put forward some sort of pro-Pochettino point, but unfortunately it isn't today.
The nearly man of European football. Also, strong sources you've got there...Yea and poch did do better than tuchel. He had a higher win percentage. That table you put, just supported my point as other indicated.
Winning the league by one point means that if tuchel had won any of the games he lost or drew, then psg would be Champions. The lille game was not the main reason that they lost the title. If Pochettino was in charge of them in the beginning of the season, they would have won as they are showing now with their impressive result.
Is this really being discussed that a manager that took over a side mostly through the season didn’t win the league? Who cares, they have dropped 5 points in 14 games this season and while that expected it’s his first real season in charge
I really do hope for your sake that you are 12 years old.
He doesn't like it there. He can't pick his team. He doesn't have a say on what he wants. He prefers England, it's clear he's always wanted United and United want him.
Once is enough to burn us for a lifetime
That as a source should be banned, they are just making things up like other so called journos. Very few people know what we are up to and obvious choices are obvious choices. It is also obvious that Pochettino will probably like to stay till the end of the season to win the league title and have a good chance in the champions league. Then he's ours if we are indeed interested.Couldn’t be more obvious
Without us hiring an interim manager I am still sceptical though, also someone who would slowly start working with us on our next chapter, pressing game and new game patterns. Today it was 60 minutes Villareal keeping hte ball and creating few decent changes despite our ultradefensive set up, bailed by de Gea wonder save must be said, only to turn it around by but we would still be found out if we go park the bus.This kind of pragmaticism deployed by Fergie in away games and CL, and by Mourinho himself too is just outdated.. We got no rock solid defence, and our strikers can fail to score if we create zero shots on goal in 60 minutes like today...
So the guy who had managed and worked with the squad for two years, helped identify targets and coached them for pre-season, a guy who acquired less points per game, is less at fault than the guy who was jettisoned in mid-season, to a completely new team and picked up more points per game than the previous bloke?
ok sure
How long was the pre season again? Which players were missing in that pre season, and continuing to miss the early part of the season?So the guy who had managed the squad, worked with it for two years, helped identify targets and coached them at pre-season, who acquired less points per game is less at fault than the guy who joined mid-season, to a completely new team and picked up more points per game.
ok sure
Losing to 1 team who by that 3 points escaping relegation play off, and another team who survived relegation by relegation play off. I didn't know PSG having to start game handicapped scoreline, so that they can't even get one point of those 2 games to win the title.
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He had been managing that squad for 2 years by that point, and however you spin it, his points total wasn’t enough over a season to win the league that year, Poch’s was.
How the feck you put more blame on the guy who came into a new team, had no previous time coaching them, had never identified a single target and achieved a points per game total that would have been enough for the title is beyond ridiculous.
Of course you expect a manager to do better with a team he knows and has had time to coach than one he doesn’t. I mean, do any of us expect a new manager now to do better this season than he does next? Yet for Tuchel it was ok, he somehow gets a free pass?
Our reactionary fanbase doesn't exactly help. I've already seen some genuine 'Carra's at the wheel' sentiments after tonight's win.
Coach at PSG is essentially a figurehead owing to player power and Leonardo interfering. I will base my opinions of Poch on what he did at Spuds and Soton.
And in his first 2 years in normal circumstances, he totally dominated the league as expected. The same guy going into a new team then won CL, making cup final, as well as going uphill and achieving top 4.
Across the board, almost all the teams played in later round of EL and CL the previous had slow start. So answer me? How long the vacation PSG team had after the CL final until they had to report back? How long was their pre season? Who missed the first few games? How many games Tuchel lost to relegation battlers in all his time at PSG?
Identifying a target at PSG? You don't know PSG then. One of the main reason Tuchel fell out and led to his dismissal is having no say in transfer. PSG didn't sack him because he was underperforming in the league back then. He's expected to turn it around if he's to stay, which he's more proven to do that.
Poch got cut some slack despite losing out Ligue 1 title by PSG, or he would have got sacked. The pressure built up though since despite better result, the performance was as meh as it was, now that he knows the team, and whatever.
You have barely provided anything insightful in this thread despite your obvious trolling and hate for Pochettino. The problem is you don't know anything about Pochettino and make a lot of wrong assumptions like saying earlier on that mbappe was their best performing player, yet Herrera, gueye and hakimi was more notable, saying he doesn't play youngster, yet he started ebimbe in one of the games despite having a sack squad of seasoned professional, expecting that having mmn will mean instant success, yet many coaches who know a lot more than you already stated how difficult it is to manage these players ego. The last game against nantes showcased exactly what I assume that he is a project manager and with time, and if he gets his way, he will have this team functioning at an even higher level despite having players that doesn't suits his philosophy.Neither is SAF, Klopp or Pep.
They're all great though.
Which two?
When arguments rely on more and more caveats, they are usually weak. Like yours is. Occam’ razor suggests you and the nuts Poch hating spurs fan are wrong, Poch had a higher percentage win rate and took over mid season. That is better by definition.
With Poch at spurs. When did they last finish in the top four for four out of five seasons before Poch’s tenure? How are they doing now? When did they get to a cl final before? In historical context he is one of spurs most successful managers.To spurs ‘you know you can find football results on the internet’ guy, please don’t post any more tables that don’t support your point. It’s annoying.
Have you seen his tagline?
Poch had only been at Southampton for 4 months before Fergie announced his retirement. It’s quite a stretch to say he was any United fan‘s first choice. It borders on nonsensical.
Why don't they just ask, instead of rely on "feeling"? Are they shy with low self-esteem?
I *think* the state of play re: Poch is as follows:
- He would like to get more control of football matters at PSG
- He is using United's interest as a ploy to get said control - he did something similar over the summer by using Spurs interest to get a contract extension
- PSG would be more than happy to replace Poch with Zidane as they think Zidance might help them keep Mbappe
- Poch is United's first choice but they are wary that Poch is just using their interest - therefore, they have leaked stories about Valverde
- He would like to get more control of football matters at PSG
- He is using United's interest as a ploy to get said control - he did something similar over the summer by using Spurs interest to get a contract extension
- PSG would be more than happy to replace Poch with Zidane as they think Zidance might help them keep Mbappe
- Poch is United's first choice but they are wary that Poch is just using their interest - therefore, they have leaked stories about Valverde
Always remember that Ed is in charge of this.
oh..right. the 2nd coming that never leaving.
Yeah he's definitely coming. When though is the question.
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