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Didn't realise that only effected PSG.Tuchel 2 defeats early in the season with almost no pre season, and COVID outbreak is forgivable.
Didn't realise that only effected PSG.Tuchel 2 defeats early in the season with almost no pre season, and COVID outbreak is forgivable.
Well they did play the very late CL finalDidn't realise that only effected PSG.
While the rest of the Ligue 1 did not even restart after break. That cannot really be underestimated as a factor in early season form.Well they did play the very late CL final
CL final was 23 August 2020. PSG first Ligue 1 game was on 10 September 2020.Didn't realise that only effected PSG.
PSG had injuries and lots of covid infections, Tuchel definitely has mitigating factors and it wasn't actually great for Pochettino either but better, Verratti was out for most of the second half of the season, Di Maria had an injury and failed to regain form, Bernat was still out and Neymar injured for a while.While the rest of the Ligue 1 did not even restart after break. That cannot really be underestimated as a factor in early season form.
Poch has won 2 trophies with PSGWhat about last season then? And at Spurs, he didn't win much did he? So he's overhyped a lot and we don't need another manager who's either past it or does not know how to win
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It happend once. Wish people stopped pretending we do this every time.Just don't trust this board, they'll get an interim then he'll do okay and they'll just offer it to them along with keeping the current coaches
Seems to be a lot of back-pedalling there. So Poch wasn't better than Tuchel because he [reasons]?You can't have the same expectations of a manager coming in mid season than a manager that has been there for a few season. Even with that, poch still had a higher win percentage then tuchel with 15 win compared to his 11. So poch did do better and if tuchel had more games, he may have loss some more based on how he was playing. Poch was always chasing and for a manager that has just got the job mid season, he can't be judge based on that. Tuchel was definitely more responsible for bottling the league. And as you can see now, poch is doing better this season with psg than tuchel did in that season.
"Always chasing" and "Tuchel was responsible"... this was the table before PSG played Lille:Poch was always chasing and for a manager that has just got the job mid season, he can't be judge based on that. Tuchel was definitely more responsible for bottling the league.
Erik ten Hag was Bayern Munich’s fallback option if Julian Nagelsmann pursuit failedSAF came from Scotland in a time when the league was actually competitive, not in a time when the league was shit.
So the whole pitch for hiring Ten Hag is that he beat some big teams who've been struggling in Europe? And if Ajax go out of the CL this year in the next round does that mean he shouldn't be hired anymore?
I can understand people wanting to hire him based on the system he implements but there's no evidence to suggest he would be able to handle a club like United or the competitiveness of the PL. Let him go to Germany or Italy first and manager a top 6 team there, he isn't going to walk into an elite club job any time soon.
Of course you don't. If he'd won it though you'd definitely be using it as a plus for Poch though, but because he missed out on it, let's just write it off shall we? Poch had to draw relegation fodder Nantes and Lorient to win the French League. He needed 1 point from 2 games. He got none, hence missing out on the title. Imagine United missing out on the title because we couldn't take 1 point of the likes of Norwhich and Brentford.Yes and I have explained how which you wilfully ignored. Plenty of shite managers have won cup competitions, you raising them only points out that it is not a fair way to pass total judgement on someone.
I have literally never mentioned any budget Pochettino has ever had. Can Ten Hag's flawless tactics not deal with simple "hoofball"? Will get found out very quickly in England if so.
I am not ignoring anything, your point is as ridiculous as the Arsenalfanstv idiots who constantly mocked Wenger and then quickly learnt their lesson when he finally left. Wenger is one of the best managers in the last 30 years. If Arsene Wenger had a reasonable amount of funding comparatively to his competition I would back him to come out on top a lot of the time. And even then! Pochattino has never had 1 full season where he could compete on a level playing field and this season when it looks like he might he is running away with the league (Not that it means much other than not being something you could beat him with)
Literally the only thing that anyone can sensibly criticise him about is the fact that he did not win the league with PSG when coming in halfway through the season. I personally just don't put much thought into anything that happens in that ridiculous joke of a league and I think he simply regretted going there pretty much instantly.
Do you reckon if Pochettino took charge of Ajax when Ten Hag did that he would have won any less? Fair enough if so but it would make me think you are detached from reality.
Come on, are we really counting ‘super cup’ as a trophy now?Poch has won 2 trophies with PSG
Carrick at the steering.Just don't trust this board, they'll get an interim then he'll do okay and they'll just offer it to them along with keeping the current coaches
only back pedaling is you. I stated poch was better because he had a higher win percentageSeems to be a lot of back-pedalling there. So Poch wasn't better than Tuchel because he [reasons]?
"Always chasing" and "Tuchel was responsible"... this was the table before PSG played Lille:
Umm no you didn't, you said "Poch did better than tuchel, so it was more so that tuchel bottled the league than Poch"only back pedaling is you. I stated poch was better because he had a higher win percentage
Umm what? Yes it does. Lille won the league by one point - PSG gave them 3 points, so:1 game against lille does not make a difference in the context of 1 point, as other already noted.
The nearly man of European football. Also, strong sources you've got there...
Yea and poch did do better than tuchel. He had a higher win percentage. That table you put, just supported my point as other indicated.Umm no you didn't, you said "Poch did better than tuchel, so it was more so that tuchel bottled the league than Poch"
Umm what? Yes it does. Lille won the league by one point - PSG gave them 3 points, so:
- If PSG drew, Lille would have 2 less points and PSG 1 more (so PSG would have otherwise won the league by 2 points)
- If PSG won, Lille would have 3 less points and PSG 3 more (so PSG would have otherwise won the league by 5 points)
You can't "bottle the league" 17 games in. When Tuchel was sacked, PSG were 1 point off the top. When the season ended, they were 1 point off the top. From that angle, Pochettino made no difference - however, PSG were top whilst Poch was manager and threw it away - which is basically the definition of 'bottling'.
One day I'm sure you'll put forward some sort of pro-Pochettino point, but unfortunately it isn't today.
I really do hope for your sake that you are 12 years old.Yea and poch did do better than tuchel. He had a higher win percentage. That table you put, just supported my point as other indicated.
Winning the league by one point means that if tuchel had won any of the games he lost or drew, then psg would be Champions. The lille game was not the main reason that they lost the title. If Pochettino was in charge of them in the beginning of the season, they would have won as they are showing now with their impressive result.
Once is enough to burn us for a lifetimeIt happend once. Wish people stopped pretending we do this every time.
That as a source should be banned, they are just making things up like other so called journos. Very few people know what we are up to and obvious choices are obvious choices. It is also obvious that Pochettino will probably like to stay till the end of the season to win the league title and have a good chance in the champions league. Then he's ours if we are indeed interested.Couldn’t be more obvious
So the guy who had managed and worked with the squad for two years, helped identify targets and coached them for pre-season, a guy who acquired less points per game, is less at fault than the guy who was jettisoned in mid-season, to a completely new team and picked up more points per game than the previous bloke?The Lorient and Nantes loss under Poch is the key to losing out the title.
Judging on ppg stats would ignore other context of the season. Tuchel 2 defeats early in the season with almost no pre season, and COVID outbreak is forgivable. The rest of his bad result was against more competitive teams. Drawing one of Lorient and Nantes games would see PSG winning the title last season, but they "bottled" by losing not one but both.
How long was the pre season again? Which players were missing in that pre season, and continuing to miss the early part of the season?So the guy who had managed the squad, worked with it for two years, helped identify targets and coached them at pre-season, who acquired less points per game is less at fault than the guy who joined mid-season, to a completely new team and picked up more points per game.
ok sure
He had been managing that squad for 2 years by that point, and however you spin it, his points total wasn’t enough over a season to win the league that year, Poch’s was.How long was the pre season again? Which players were missing in that pre season, and continuing to miss the early part of the season?
Our reactionary fanbase doesn't exactly help. I've already seen some genuine 'Carra's at the wheel' sentiments after tonight's win.Just don't trust this board, they'll get an interim then he'll do okay and they'll just offer it to them along with keeping the current coaches
And in his first 2 years in normal circumstances, he totally dominated the league as expected. The same guy going into a new team then won CL, making cup final, as well as going uphill and achieving top 4.He had been managing that squad for 2 years by that point, and however you spin it, his points total wasn’t enough over a season to win the league that year, Poch’s was.
How the feck you put more blame on the guy who came into a new team, had no previous time coaching them, had never identified a single target and achieved a points per game total that would have been enough for the title is beyond ridiculous.
Of course you expect a manager to do better with a team he know than one he doesn’t. I mean, do any of us expect a new manager now to do better this season than he does next? Yet for Tuchel it was ok?
You have barely provided anything insightful in this thread despite your obvious trolling and hate for Pochettino. The problem is you don't know anything about Pochettino and make a lot of wrong assumptions like saying earlier on that mbappe was their best performing player, yet Herrera, gueye and hakimi was more notable, saying he doesn't play youngster, yet he started ebimbe in one of the games despite having a sack squad of seasoned professional, expecting that having mmn will mean instant success, yet many coaches who know a lot more than you already stated how difficult it is to manage these players ego. The last game against nantes showcased exactly what I assume that he is a project manager and with time, and if he gets his way, he will have this team functioning at an even higher level despite having players that doesn't suits his philosophy.I really do hope for your sake that you are 12 years old.
Neither is SAF, Klopp or Pep.He's definitely not Plato.
Which two?Poch has won 2 trophies with PSG
When arguments rely on more and more caveats, they are usually weak. Like yours is. Occam’ razor suggests you and the nuts Poch hating spurs fan are wrong, Poch had a higher percentage win rate and took over mid season. That is better by definition.How long was the pre season again? Which players were missing in that pre season, and continuing to miss the early part of the season?
Losing to 1 team who by that 3 points escaping relegation play off, and another team who survived relegation by relegation play off. I didn't know PSG having to start game handicapped scoreline, so that they can't even get one point of those 2 games to win the title.
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Have you seen his tagline?I really do hope for your sake that you are 12 years old.
Nope, I wanted him even back then. I'm trying to remember who else I wanted. Pep was the dream but gone, Poch was my 1st choice out of everyone else, and I think Pellegrini was up there, too. I was a big fan of his 12/13 Malaga side so I was gutted when he went to City.
Poch had only been at Southampton for 4 months before Fergie announced his retirement. It’s quite a stretch to say he was any United fan‘s first choice. It borders on nonsensical.Why?
Do people realize that even before Spurs, Poch was already doing wonders at Southampton and had them playing great football.
Always remember that Ed is in charge of this.Why don't they just ask, instead of rely on "feeling"? Are they shy with low self-esteem?
oh..right. the 2nd coming that never leaving.Always remember that Ed is in charge of this.