Danny
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Title challenge (be in real contention come end of April/ beginning of May), quarter final in Champions League, win either league cup or FA cup
I think we should get 3rd at least unless Pool goes and gets some players.Bookies have us 4th favourite for the league at 8/1 or 9/1 on some. Great value there if anyone thinks we're being underestimated
No it doesn't. In theory - a team could have a season like Liverpool and City had when they won practically every game and picked up - was it 99 and 97 points ? If we pick up 85 points and are beaten by 12, of course he doesn't deserve the sack.If third place is finishing 2 points behind Chelsea and 4 points behind City, then yes.
If third place is finishing like 8-20 points behind the winners - no. That would obviously merit Ole getting sacked, no debate to be had.
That's fantastic value.Bookies have us 4th favourite for the league at 8/1 or 9/1 on some. Great value there if anyone thinks we're being underestimated
This, except the League Cup is not good enough unless we beat City on the way to the win since they love that trophy.Title challenge (be in real contention come end of April/ beginning of May), quarter final in Champions League, win either league cup or FA cup
That is a title run if I have ever seen one! 21 is comingOur first seven games in the PL are winnable. Could be some tricky games against West Ham, Everton or Villa, but overall its possible to have 21 points after those 7 games (19 would also be good).
Then it's a tough run against Leicester, Liverpool, Spurs, City, Watford, Chelsea and Arsenal. Again 7 games, but i expect a minimum of 12 points.
Finally, it's between december and february that we could win the title, because we play only: Palace, Norwich, Brentford, Brighton, Newcastle, Burnley (x2), Wolves, Villa, West Ham, Saints, Leeds and Watford. 13 games, all winnable. A strong run here, should put us in a good place to win the league.
Our last 11 games, we play City, Spurs, Liverpool, Everton, Leicester, Chelsea and Arsenal, so it's a tough run to close the season, but if we build a confortable lead between december and february, we should be there at the end.
Of course we'll have other competitions, but i expect reach at least QF in the UCL, and win some domestic cup.
Very succinctly put, agreed.
- Title challenge.
- Some kind of cup.
- 1/4 or 1/2 in champions league.
- Exciting football.
I agree that Ole is putting together a great team but rather than using that as a stick to beat him with, I see that as a sign that he's doing a great job and wouldn't be putting any ultimatums on him, like he has to win a cup.Ole has spent 400m on players, this season is key for him to prove what he can do. This is his team now, he has been backed, has a superb first 11 and a strong bench.
In the league, points total needs to beat last seasons actuals and performances need to be consistent. More importantly, we need to challenge for the title, be a thorn to whoever the leaders are. Rolling over and letting a team have a 12 point gap over us is not acceptable anymore. Our defense is boosted by Varane, 3 of 4 are Ole's players and he has Shawberto at the back. Pogba and Bruno are world class, Greenwood will be amazing this season and we have Sancho, Cavani, Rashford and Martial to come in. If we signed a DM, Ole needs to win it.
I would also love to move away from the double pivot and play more aggressive and expansive attacking football.
Champions league will be tough, bare minimum is to get out of the group stage, ideally a QF or SF would be nice. We need a trophey badly, we need to win one of league cup or fa cup.
I get where you are coming from, your entitled to your view. What I ask myself is how long are we prepared to wait for another trophey (cup or league), and when can I start judging my return on investment (the 400m). I think 3 years is a long time in football, Ole has shown he can build a strategy from point A to point B, i think his next step is now to deliver silverware. In football you are judged by what you win, not how you play or how close you came.I agree that Ole is putting together a great team but rather than using that as a stick to beat him with, I see that as a sign that he's doing a great job and wouldn't be putting any ultimatums on him, like he has to win a cup.
Were looking back to our old selves again and I'm just thankful. I really couldn't be arsed whether we win a minor cup or not. Would anything have really changed if we win the Europa? I don't think so. We would still want more this year.
With regards to the league and champions league, I'm not gonna be spitting feathers if some other team has a 100 pointer or we get knocked out by a top team. We can only control what we do and provided we improve on our points total (80+), I'll be chuffed.
The football is bound to be way better with Sancho added, Greenwood a year older and provided Pogba has a full season under Ole for a change.
Can't wait for the next game.
Maybe you would, but I doubt the United board will. I think they've always been pretty no frills about the situation - be competitive and in the top 4 and not have tons of drama with the players and they'll be very lenient. Add to that that its a club legend who's a fan favourite the only way he gets sacked is if he seriously underperforms or if he starts losing the players. Not that I think it would come to that to be honest - I think we could have a very good season, and that is because of Ole not despite him.I get where you are coming from, your entitled to your view. What I ask myself is how long are we prepared to wait for another trophey (cup or league), and when can I start judging my return on investment (the 400m). I think 3 years is a long time in football, Ole has shown he can build a strategy from point A to point B, i think his next step is now to deliver silverware. In football you are judged by what you win, not how you play or how close you came.
Just my view, but if I was Ole's boss, I would be demanding silverware on the basis of my 400m investment in under 3 years. If we come close, let's judge that then but you always need to have big targets at big clubs.
I really don't think the FA and league cups are worth much at all.I get where you are coming from, your entitled to your view. What I ask myself is how long are we prepared to wait for another trophey (cup or league), and when can I start judging my return on investment (the 400m). I think 3 years is a long time in football, Ole has shown he can build a strategy from point A to point B, i think his next step is now to deliver silverware. In football you are judged by what you win, not how you play or how close you came.
Just my view, but if I was Ole's boss, I would be demanding silverware on the basis of my 400m investment in under 3 years. If we come close, let's judge that then but you always need to have big targets at big clubs.